| Just been listening to BM Podcast 10:52 - Apr 28 with 14214 views | tractorboy1978 |
And Joe says he's been told our list of targets this summer is 'scary'. No pressure then, Mark. |  | | |  |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:07 - Apr 28 with 2848 views | Vic |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 11:30 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I think people, including myself, are still underestimating just how ambitious (and well funded) the owners are here |
This is exactly the kind of post, from a genuine ‘ITK’ person, that I need to see right. We’re all a bit down and it’s great to be reminded that our owners are still in the game with the same high level commitment that they’ve shown since they got here. Very easy for our disappointment to overshadow everything so this is good news indeed. |  |
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:10 - Apr 28 with 2811 views | homer_123 |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 12:25 - Apr 28 by EuanTown |
Really, he has been given such information by the club?. No he has not.
"He has been told out list of targets this summer is scary". What a nothing statement. Interpret how you like, what a broad brush comment with no substance. |
Whether you choose to believe it or not.
The fact remains that any list is highly unlikely to include L1 or L2 journeymen.
If it's guesswork, then it's a fairly accurate assumption of said list. |  |
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:15 - Apr 28 with 2795 views | keighleyblue |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:04 - Apr 28 by Meadowlark |
However, we clearly do NOT have a PL level squad currently so selling many of our players makes perfect sense - as long as we have secured better replacements. Staying the obvious I know, but sometimes it has to be said.
Clearly we are lacking in "athleticism." We need players who are bigger, stronger, fitter, faster while still displaying a high level of ability and skill in possession. I could name many in our squad who do not meet this criteria, but I won't name them. We - and they - know who they are.
And The Championship is no walk in the park. We did well last season and exceeded all expectations, but to get relegated and do it again needs a different set of skills.
But I have every confidence in the team that run the club to get it right. |
we failed and let slip leads, cos although our starting 11 is definitely there or thereabouts, we can't strengthen from the bench. So I see us focusing on building a second 'first 11' that can make the difference in second halves |  | | |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:18 - Apr 28 with 2777 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:04 - Apr 28 by Meadowlark |
However, we clearly do NOT have a PL level squad currently so selling many of our players makes perfect sense - as long as we have secured better replacements. Staying the obvious I know, but sometimes it has to be said.
Clearly we are lacking in "athleticism." We need players who are bigger, stronger, fitter, faster while still displaying a high level of ability and skill in possession. I could name many in our squad who do not meet this criteria, but I won't name them. We - and they - know who they are.
And The Championship is no walk in the park. We did well last season and exceeded all expectations, but to get relegated and do it again needs a different set of skills.
But I have every confidence in the team that run the club to get it right. |
Yes we’re some way off having a PL squad currently, as evidenced this season. I do think we’ve stepped towards it in area though. I think we’ll believe some players to be capable, but definitely a lot more work to do on that front. I can see at least 8 out, 8 in this summer. |  | | |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:19 - Apr 28 with 2771 views | homer_123 |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 12:22 - Apr 28 by textbackup |
I honestly didn’t see us spending as we did in the summer. Omari signing was a massive WOW for me.
The only thing I’m worried about for next season is the expectation to be up there as opposed to the way it felt being up there after coming up from L1. And I guess if we spend £10/20/30m again this summer that again adds pressure. |
I can see us spending significant sums.
I would expect us to spend to the limit on what we can, barring any sales.
I am also expecting a fair few to leave as well - I think we'll easily see 5 to 10 go and come in. | |
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:23 - Apr 28 with 2767 views | itfcjoe |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:04 - Apr 28 by Meadowlark |
However, we clearly do NOT have a PL level squad currently so selling many of our players makes perfect sense - as long as we have secured better replacements. Staying the obvious I know, but sometimes it has to be said.
Clearly we are lacking in "athleticism." We need players who are bigger, stronger, fitter, faster while still displaying a high level of ability and skill in possession. I could name many in our squad who do not meet this criteria, but I won't name them. We - and they - know who they are.
And The Championship is no walk in the park. We did well last season and exceeded all expectations, but to get relegated and do it again needs a different set of skills.
But I have every confidence in the team that run the club to get it right. |
The Championship is never easy but you look at it this season and you see Leeds and Burnley a fair chunk ahead of Sheff U in 3rd, and then 22 points between 3rd and 5th
Put aside '100 points, 100 goals' talk from when we went down under Burley, but that point total is the sort of area we need to be aiming for and gunning for.
The parachute teams have as big an advantage in that league as the top 17 do in the PL.....I know we want to pretend that isn't case as don't want to end up with egg on our face and look like we have massive hubris, but external onlookers will be seeing that with us now.
Without being a nob, the only way missing out on going up next year is acceptable is if we get 85+ points and miss out then lose in the play offs [which is what might happen to Sheff U this year]
We are in our own mini league next season [Post edited 28 Apr 13:24]
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:27 - Apr 28 with 2714 views | portmanking |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 12:54 - Apr 28 by _clive_baker_ |
We’re all so scarred from Evans that we don’t recognise or understand the level of ambition our owners have. They’re not here to mess about or for their 15 minutes in the premier league, the levels of investment and plans for the future are serious.
I don’t think we need to sell this summer. Delap or clause related ones aside it’ll be a case of selling if we think it’s strategically the right thing to do with the context of PSR or other factors. We won’t be selling from a position of distress.
We’re trying to build a premier league squad, I think we’ll go quite hard again this summer. |
We don't *need* to sell this summer or in January either.
As another poster has said, athleticism is the buzzword for this summer. | | | |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:27 - Apr 28 with 2705 views | Vic |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:23 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
The Championship is never easy but you look at it this season and you see Leeds and Burnley a fair chunk ahead of Sheff U in 3rd, and then 22 points between 3rd and 5th
Put aside '100 points, 100 goals' talk from when we went down under Burley, but that point total is the sort of area we need to be aiming for and gunning for.
The parachute teams have as big an advantage in that league as the top 17 do in the PL.....I know we want to pretend that isn't case as don't want to end up with egg on our face and look like we have massive hubris, but external onlookers will be seeing that with us now.
Without being a nob, the only way missing out on going up next year is acceptable is if we get 85+ points and miss out then lose in the play offs [which is what might happen to Sheff U this year]
We are in our own mini league next season [Post edited 28 Apr 13:24]
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Blimey Joe, you’re going early! I love your optimism mate, please don’t ever change 😀.
I tend to think you’re right, but can’t quite bring myself to believe it! | |
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:40 - Apr 28 with 2616 views | Illinoisblue |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:23 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
The Championship is never easy but you look at it this season and you see Leeds and Burnley a fair chunk ahead of Sheff U in 3rd, and then 22 points between 3rd and 5th
Put aside '100 points, 100 goals' talk from when we went down under Burley, but that point total is the sort of area we need to be aiming for and gunning for.
The parachute teams have as big an advantage in that league as the top 17 do in the PL.....I know we want to pretend that isn't case as don't want to end up with egg on our face and look like we have massive hubris, but external onlookers will be seeing that with us now.
Without being a nob, the only way missing out on going up next year is acceptable is if we get 85+ points and miss out then lose in the play offs [which is what might happen to Sheff U this year]
We are in our own mini league next season [Post edited 28 Apr 13:24]
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Broadly speaking I think you’re right but surely a lot depends on transfers (both in and out) and injuries…. We’ve been absolutely hammered with players missing this season. Lot of work for the physio/performance team to work on. |  |
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:44 - Apr 28 with 2595 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:27 - Apr 28 by portmanking |
We don't *need* to sell this summer or in January either.
As another poster has said, athleticism is the buzzword for this summer. |
Another point worth making is I don’t believe we’ve got this group near its ceiling yet. The sheer level of additions, some of it so late in the window, the keeper situation, the level of injuries we’ve had and the level of opposition as well and approach we’ve needed in games this season are all big factors.
Our promotion side was stronger than the sum of its parts, I think we’ve upgraded a lot of the parts (with key areas to still address) and I’d back McKenna to shape that into a high functioning unit at championship level. There’s levels to this game and I think we’ve got a very good opportunity now to take a stronger group up to the premier league than we did last time. Not to discredit a lot of those players that took us up, but the spine of that side in Hladky, Burgess, Woolf, Morsy, Luongo, Chaplin have never, and probably will never be PL players. Certainly the periphery in Harry Clarke, Harness, Jackson, AAH aren’t..
If we can get a level of continuity and rebuild the spirit of that squad with Greaves, O’Shea, Philogene, Omari, Clarke etc, and a couple of strong central midfield additions which will absolutely be the target area, then I think we’ll be at a higher base.
On paper we’ve got a better squad now, but we’re not necessarily a better side. That’s hard to measure as we’re at a wildly different level, but that’ll be what McKenna and his team are focussed on over the summer. The championship won’t be easy and nothing will be given to us, but we’ve got a strong hand, we need to play it right. | | | |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:48 - Apr 28 with 2551 views | Exiled2Surrey |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 11:30 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I think people, including myself, are still underestimating just how ambitious (and well funded) the owners are here |
The line I found equally encouraging was the one about scouting Bayern v Mainz - that would start to answer the "no foreign scouting network" criticism that has been a frequently used stick with which to beat the club... | | | |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 14:08 - Apr 28 with 2430 views | crouchendyachtclub |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 12:42 - Apr 28 by Big_Jase |
We have a lot more headway to spend as well though.
We have parachute payments and are going to make at least £30m in transfer sales, possibly/probably more depending on other interest in players.
That’s a £90m head start in terms of revenue over most teams in the league. We have amortisation payments for last years transfers, but that’s leaves us with plenty of wiggle room and owners with huge cash reserves. |
That £30m is heavily dependent on the price we get for Delap. I don't see us getting more than we paid for everyone else so income if we sold any of last summers incomings would be limited to one years amortisation of last years fee. Add to that a second year of amortisation on anyone that doesn't get sold and a case could be made for not spending massively.
That being said though, I don't think we need to. Barring in CM, the team that went up is either still here or has been improved upon so 10-15m on some midfielders would hopefully do the trick. | | | |
| Will it be as exciting as the Nolan+Nsiala coup I wonder on 14:18 - Apr 28 with 2380 views | Dubtractor |
| Will it be as exciting as the Nolan+Nsiala coup I wonder on 12:43 - Apr 28 by Dyland |
gmpf! |
What a golden era that was.
The sad thing is, there was a genuine feeling that was a great double signing, but they both ended up being pretty rubbish. |  |
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 14:20 - Apr 28 with 2341 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:40 - Apr 28 by Illinoisblue |
Broadly speaking I think you’re right but surely a lot depends on transfers (both in and out) and injuries…. We’ve been absolutely hammered with players missing this season. Lot of work for the physio/performance team to work on. |
That will mainly be down to a step up in intensity you would imagine though. We run a lot, more than most teams. Should be less common next season playing at a lesser intensity for less amount of time.
We have also had some freaks. Ogbene injury, Axel Injury |  |
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 14:31 - Apr 28 with 2273 views | Smoresy |
We're willing to invest what we're allowed to, which is a quantum leap from the Evans era but not unique in the Championship. We couldn't hope for more as fans but the parachute money is what separates us from a good handful of clubs down there really, rather than ambition and financial levers (in a world without PSR/FFP).
I'm wary of how two L1 clubs will continue to leverage their celebrity power, closing the financial gap that should exist between us and others. Thankfully Wrexham at least start with a terrible team and less deep ownership pockets, but Brum's owner talking of breaking revenue records.. if this isn't bluster, it will be due to partnerships with companies like Delta Airlines. And Delta Airlines will be paying through the nose to strengthen their association with Tom Brady: win and rise with Tom's team, not win and rise with Birmingham City.
It would mean two or three direct competitors in the market becomes three or four or five, and then the healthy margin for error retreats. We start with strong foundations but will need to strengthen or replace in key positions too. How ready are we to be shrewd with our scary signings? Is the absence of shrewdness the scary part? Hopefully we're more ready than in the previous two windows, where we achieved a low pass or high fail score in my humble o (not terrible but far from great). | | | |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 14:34 - Apr 28 with 2255 views | Wright1 |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 12:38 - Apr 28 by Zx1988 |
The cynic in me would say that the local media are going to regurgitate whatever MA tells them to say, especially with ST renewals currently in the offing. |
Do you think MA is panicking about ST renewal season? I certainly don't. I think he'd rather some people don't renew so he can get back to the initial threshold he set and sell those additional tickets for more money per game. If we dipped under that number (which I don't believe for a second will happen) the newly available STs would be snapped up in minutes. | | | |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 14:44 - Apr 28 with 2202 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 12:33 - Apr 28 by muhrensleftfoot |
Purely on finances alone, I expect Southampton & Leicester to be our main promotion rivals. I'm hoping Sheff Utd go up through the playoffs, as they will still have parachute money. Can't see Wrexham being any better than mid table. Brum may make a push for play off places. Bristol City well financed and well managed by ex ITFC Liam Manning. |
Southampton are a mess right now, so a lot will depend on who the next manager is and what they manage to sort out as a group over the summer.
I expect Leicester to start with a big points deduction, which may well count them out of the top 2. Or a recruitment embargo, which would be equally damaging. | | | |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 14:59 - Apr 28 with 2116 views | textbackup |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 14:44 - Apr 28 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Southampton are a mess right now, so a lot will depend on who the next manager is and what they manage to sort out as a group over the summer.
I expect Leicester to start with a big points deduction, which may well count them out of the top 2. Or a recruitment embargo, which would be equally damaging. |
I’d forgotten about LCFCs points issue hanging over them. Didn’t the EFL basically say they were safe for last season but come back down again and we’ll have ya?! |  |
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 15:00 - Apr 28 with 2123 views | hype313 |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 14:44 - Apr 28 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Southampton are a mess right now, so a lot will depend on who the next manager is and what they manage to sort out as a group over the summer.
I expect Leicester to start with a big points deduction, which may well count them out of the top 2. Or a recruitment embargo, which would be equally damaging. |
Leicester also only have 3 players out of contract, 2 of them are squad players and Vardy, who's leaving. That leaves them with an incredibly expensive squad, Harry Winks on £90k a week is someone they'll be desperate to shift, they can't afford to sack RVN and they are facing a 10 point hit.
I'd say Leicester are in far worse state than Saints. |  |
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 15:04 - Apr 28 with 2085 views | Wright1 |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 14:08 - Apr 28 by crouchendyachtclub |
That £30m is heavily dependent on the price we get for Delap. I don't see us getting more than we paid for everyone else so income if we sold any of last summers incomings would be limited to one years amortisation of last years fee. Add to that a second year of amortisation on anyone that doesn't get sold and a case could be made for not spending massively.
That being said though, I don't think we need to. Barring in CM, the team that went up is either still here or has been improved upon so 10-15m on some midfielders would hopefully do the trick. |
If we don't get more than we paid for anyone else, then the squad stays together and we look a pretty scary prospect at Championship level with O'Shea, Davis, Hutchinson, Philogene, J.Clarke still here.
However... We will lose 2 CMs and a striker right off the bat. I'd be surprised if Tuanzebe was still here. I'd imagine that Wes won't be able to contribute meaningfully until the second half of the season. £10-15m on some midfielders is not going to cut it. I see us easily spending more than that. [Post edited 28 Apr 15:13]
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 15:08 - Apr 28 with 2051 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 14:59 - Apr 28 by textbackup |
I’d forgotten about LCFCs points issue hanging over them. Didn’t the EFL basically say they were safe for last season but come back down again and we’ll have ya?! |
Yes, that is effectively what they said, and I'm pretty sure it's currently just parked as an open investigation. | | | |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 15:09 - Apr 28 with 2056 views | Illinoisblue |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 12:34 - Apr 28 by NedPlimpton |
Isn't this the same for a lot of clubs now though
Birmingham and Wrexham would both be considered very ambitious and well funded.
Not sure on the ambitions of them up the road either but the owners certainly have deeper pockets than previously |
There’s an interesting long piece on Wrexham on the BBC website. Few things stood out; very similar language used by their owners/staff as we’ve heard over the last few years: “buying players for a league above… on an amazing journey… only just beginning…”. As for their ground, they’re actually reducing capacity due to knocking down their temporary stand building a new kop. Presumably all their sponsorship deals mean they can absorb the hit on reduced ticket sales. Finally, the article mentioned Wrexham games in the U.S. get record viewing figures. Going to need to see the data behind that as not convinced. | |
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 15:10 - Apr 28 with 2053 views | keebsdad |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 13:04 - Apr 28 by Meadowlark |
However, we clearly do NOT have a PL level squad currently so selling many of our players makes perfect sense - as long as we have secured better replacements. Staying the obvious I know, but sometimes it has to be said.
Clearly we are lacking in "athleticism." We need players who are bigger, stronger, fitter, faster while still displaying a high level of ability and skill in possession. I could name many in our squad who do not meet this criteria, but I won't name them. We - and they - know who they are.
And The Championship is no walk in the park. We did well last season and exceeded all expectations, but to get relegated and do it again needs a different set of skills.
But I have every confidence in the team that run the club to get it right. |
One of the things that became glaringly obvious during the course of the season and especially in the last two or three matches is that our ball carriers are too lightweight and are easily knocked off the ball by bigger, stronger defenders and midfielders. Yes, Hutchinson and Broadhead performed well in the Championship but to me have been pretty ineffectual in the PL. Even the likes of Cajuste and Enciso try to run too much and get dispossessed. Arsenal's simple minimal-touches and pass game was beautiful to watch and we had no answer. The tactics ned to change if / when we get back to the PL and so does the type of player we recruit. | | | |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 15:13 - Apr 28 with 2031 views | textbackup |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 15:09 - Apr 28 by Illinoisblue |
There’s an interesting long piece on Wrexham on the BBC website. Few things stood out; very similar language used by their owners/staff as we’ve heard over the last few years: “buying players for a league above… on an amazing journey… only just beginning…”. As for their ground, they’re actually reducing capacity due to knocking down their temporary stand building a new kop. Presumably all their sponsorship deals mean they can absorb the hit on reduced ticket sales. Finally, the article mentioned Wrexham games in the U.S. get record viewing figures. Going to need to see the data behind that as not convinced. |
United Airlines are the kit sponsor I think, on our flights to/from Mexico the entertainment system had ‘welcome to Wrexham’ as the opening screens as the came on pre flight. Then all 3 series. | |
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| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 15:15 - Apr 28 with 1995 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Just been listening to BM Podcast on 15:00 - Apr 28 by hype313 |
Leicester also only have 3 players out of contract, 2 of them are squad players and Vardy, who's leaving. That leaves them with an incredibly expensive squad, Harry Winks on £90k a week is someone they'll be desperate to shift, they can't afford to sack RVN and they are facing a 10 point hit.
I'd say Leicester are in far worse state than Saints. |
My point about Southampton is that they are dysfunctional as a club (both on and off the field). With the potential sale of Dibling for £100M, they may have the greatest transfer flexibility in the division, but if they don't sort their internal Sh1t out, they will likely struggle next season. | | | |
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