| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 21:43 - May 4 with 4472 views | SitfcB |
I think I will be more disappointed about losing Hutchinson than Delap  |  |
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 21:45 - May 4 with 4439 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 21:43 - May 4 by SitfcB |
I think I will be more disappointed about losing Hutchinson than Delap |
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| And we're after Endo.... on 21:47 - May 4 with 4402 views | Bloots |
....I used to do them on my BMX. |  |
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 23:14 - May 4 with 3941 views | bournemouthblue |
Summerville went to Wham and had no joy, Villa might be a better fit |  |
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 07:55 - May 5 with 3453 views | mikeybloo88 |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 23:14 - May 4 by bournemouthblue |
Summerville went to Wham and had no joy, Villa might be a better fit |
So essentially they’d have given us Philogene plus £15m for Omari...great deal for them |  | | |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 08:00 - May 5 with 3419 views | Wallingford_Boy |
I think we all know he’ll be off, it’s hard to take, but it’s the reality of relegation.
With the cash for him and Delap, we’ll certainly have money to spend though! |  |
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 08:03 - May 5 with 3413 views | textbackup |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 21:43 - May 4 by SitfcB |
I think I will be more disappointed about losing Hutchinson than Delap |
Yep, he was part of THAT team, so has more of a connection to the club too |  |
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 08:37 - May 5 with 3273 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
Wake me up when some credible rumours surface. This all seems to have been triggered by Lee Hendrie saying that Leeds should buy Omari. Typical cascading media coverage ensues, from mostly fringe publications. |  | | |
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 10:03 - May 5 with 2943 views | OldFart71 |
Two things will determine whether any deal is right for Town. If the clause is correct at £35 million that's a good price. But what we get in place of Omari will ultimately decide if the deal is good or bad.
It to me has been our midfield that needs the most drastic changes. We can score goals and certain parts of our defence haven't worked as they should. Again I say it's partly due to a midfield that hasn't protected the defence, filling in when Davis goes forward or even helping the forward line in attack. I don't know the exact number of goals the midfield has scored, but it doesn't run into many.
Most of the Premier League teams have strong running athletic midfielders. Only Cajuste comes into that category and he most likely won't be with us next season. | | | |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 10:13 - May 5 with 2909 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 07:55 - May 5 by mikeybloo88 |
So essentially they’d have given us Philogene plus £15m for Omari...great deal for them |
That would really depend on who fulfils their potential to what degree, though. Right now, off the back of this last season you would value Hutchinson higher than Philogene and probably by more than £15M higher.
If you look at what Philogene achieved at Hull and compare it with Hutchinson here, they have both made similar starts to their careers. I wouldn't put it past them both to have very similar futures.
Of course, if Philogene is to fulfil that here, he needs to settle into the team in a fashion he hasn't done so far and failed to at Villa (though bearing in mind the season they have had is that a surprise?) |  |
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 12:31 - May 5 with 2608 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 07:55 - May 5 by mikeybloo88 |
So essentially they’d have given us Philogene plus £15m for Omari...great deal for them |
Firstly I really hope we don't lose Omari. Love him.
But if we did and we ended up with £35 million for Hutchinson that is fantastic business. And actually £15 mil + Philogene is great business for us. That £15 mil in the champ would pay for our new Centre midfield and striker replacements we need while banking the money for Delap.
For all the nonsense posted on here about Philogene he's a fantastic footballer and is absolutely proven in the champ. Arguably the standout player in the division when we were last in the champ. He's generally been selected ahead of Omari for the England U21s though both play on occasion. Philogene is the nailed on starter for them.
For me Omari staying would be huge but if he has to go that's some business! | |
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| And we're after Endo.... on 12:36 - May 5 with 2591 views | leitrimblue |
| And we're after Endo.... on 21:47 - May 4 by Bloots |
....I used to do them on my BMX. |
He'd be a wheelie good signing |  | | |
| And we're after Endo.... on 12:48 - May 5 with 2532 views | Matt_Netherlands |
| And we're after Endo.... on 12:36 - May 5 by leitrimblue |
He'd be a wheelie good signing |
The rumours are only going to ramp up from here on in. |  | | |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 14:47 - May 5 with 2313 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
What nobody is taking into account is the cost of settling player contracts. We paid £20M (+ add ons) for Omari. He has another 4 years on his contract. What's he earning - £60k per week? That's £3M per year. If he hasn't asked for a transfer and we accept a bid, we have to settle his contract. That costs us £12M. So where is the profit? It just isn't worth selling him unless we get a bid of £40M, unless he has a release clause he activates, which is the same as asking for a transfer.
Liam Delap - his release clause (reportedly £30M) if he activates it means we don't have to settle his contract (the buying club would though). If he didn't have a release clause, we'd need well over £40M to get the same net profit. [Post edited 5 May 15:32]
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:05 - May 5 with 2239 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 14:47 - May 5 by LegendofthePhoenix |
What nobody is taking into account is the cost of settling player contracts. We paid £20M (+ add ons) for Omari. He has another 4 years on his contract. What's he earning - £60k per week? That's £3M per year. If he hasn't asked for a transfer and we accept a bid, we have to settle his contract. That costs us £12M. So where is the profit? It just isn't worth selling him unless we get a bid of £40M, unless he has a release clause he activates, which is the same as asking for a transfer.
Liam Delap - his release clause (reportedly £30M) if he activates it means we don't have to settle his contract (the buying club would though). If he didn't have a release clause, we'd need well over £40M to get the same net profit. [Post edited 5 May 15:32]
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Surely this isn't correct?
If you terminate a players contract than yes - you have to buy out the rest of their contract. However, if you sell a player to another club, however the transition comes about (player driven or club driven), then it's illogical to think that you have to buy out their remaining contract. If this were true, some transfers would be impossible to finance for most clubs.
Also this ignores the fact that selling a player against their will is pretty much impossible - as they just wouldn't agree personal terms. Once they do agree personal terms, then it's a mutual transaction - and there's no way that would considered a contract termination. | | | |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:37 - May 5 with 2139 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:05 - May 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Surely this isn't correct?
If you terminate a players contract than yes - you have to buy out the rest of their contract. However, if you sell a player to another club, however the transition comes about (player driven or club driven), then it's illogical to think that you have to buy out their remaining contract. If this were true, some transfers would be impossible to finance for most clubs.
Also this ignores the fact that selling a player against their will is pretty much impossible - as they just wouldn't agree personal terms. Once they do agree personal terms, then it's a mutual transaction - and there's no way that would considered a contract termination. |
Nope. The club decide if they want to accept a bid to sell a player. That means the club have to pay up the contract. Unless the player requests a transfer - which is in essence the same as invoking a release clause. It's then up to the buying club to agree terms, and where the player may (or may not depending upon demand) get the buying club to compensate him for the old contract.
It's worth reading The Secret Footballer where he talks about this.
It's one of the main reasons that transfer fees just keep going up and up and up, to cover the cost of settling the player's contract.
Hence we won't be selling Omari for £30M. [Post edited 5 May 15:40]
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:42 - May 5 with 2100 views | PhilTWTD |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:37 - May 5 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Nope. The club decide if they want to accept a bid to sell a player. That means the club have to pay up the contract. Unless the player requests a transfer - which is in essence the same as invoking a release clause. It's then up to the buying club to agree terms, and where the player may (or may not depending upon demand) get the buying club to compensate him for the old contract.
It's worth reading The Secret Footballer where he talks about this.
It's one of the main reasons that transfer fees just keep going up and up and up, to cover the cost of settling the player's contract.
Hence we won't be selling Omari for £30M. [Post edited 5 May 15:40]
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In that situation they would pay what remained of his signing on fee, not the remainder of his contract. If that were the case, then clubs who are broke would be even more broke when the sold players. |  | | |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:44 - May 5 with 2071 views | Trequartista |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 14:47 - May 5 by LegendofthePhoenix |
What nobody is taking into account is the cost of settling player contracts. We paid £20M (+ add ons) for Omari. He has another 4 years on his contract. What's he earning - £60k per week? That's £3M per year. If he hasn't asked for a transfer and we accept a bid, we have to settle his contract. That costs us £12M. So where is the profit? It just isn't worth selling him unless we get a bid of £40M, unless he has a release clause he activates, which is the same as asking for a transfer.
Liam Delap - his release clause (reportedly £30M) if he activates it means we don't have to settle his contract (the buying club would though). If he didn't have a release clause, we'd need well over £40M to get the same net profit. [Post edited 5 May 15:32]
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That's not correct. And if it is, I must have the biggest blind spot ever to have not known that. |  |
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:44 - May 5 with 2070 views | PhilTWTD |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 08:37 - May 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Wake me up when some credible rumours surface. This all seems to have been triggered by Lee Hendrie saying that Leeds should buy Omari. Typical cascading media coverage ensues, from mostly fringe publications. |
It was the same publication which got that going. I doubt there's anything behind what they're reporting whether there might be interest in Omari or otherwise. | | | |
| Lol. (n/t) on 15:45 - May 5 with 2061 views | Bloots |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 14:47 - May 5 by LegendofthePhoenix |
What nobody is taking into account is the cost of settling player contracts. We paid £20M (+ add ons) for Omari. He has another 4 years on his contract. What's he earning - £60k per week? That's £3M per year. If he hasn't asked for a transfer and we accept a bid, we have to settle his contract. That costs us £12M. So where is the profit? It just isn't worth selling him unless we get a bid of £40M, unless he has a release clause he activates, which is the same as asking for a transfer.
Liam Delap - his release clause (reportedly £30M) if he activates it means we don't have to settle his contract (the buying club would though). If he didn't have a release clause, we'd need well over £40M to get the same net profit. [Post edited 5 May 15:32]
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:45 - May 5 with 2055 views | farkenhell |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 14:47 - May 5 by LegendofthePhoenix |
What nobody is taking into account is the cost of settling player contracts. We paid £20M (+ add ons) for Omari. He has another 4 years on his contract. What's he earning - £60k per week? That's £3M per year. If he hasn't asked for a transfer and we accept a bid, we have to settle his contract. That costs us £12M. So where is the profit? It just isn't worth selling him unless we get a bid of £40M, unless he has a release clause he activates, which is the same as asking for a transfer.
Liam Delap - his release clause (reportedly £30M) if he activates it means we don't have to settle his contract (the buying club would though). If he didn't have a release clause, we'd need well over £40M to get the same net profit. [Post edited 5 May 15:32]
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There's report of Omari's contract having a £35 million release clause upon relegation from the PL. | | | |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:48 - May 5 with 2018 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:42 - May 5 by PhilTWTD |
In that situation they would pay what remained of his signing on fee, not the remainder of his contract. If that were the case, then clubs who are broke would be even more broke when the sold players. |
With respect Phil, I don't think that's right. A contract is a contract. If the player doesn't request a move, and the club decide they want t sell him, then the club are breaking the contract - hence they would need to settle it, or be in breach of contract and could be sued.
Of course, there could be a compromise settlement figure agreed if player and club both want the move. [Post edited 5 May 15:51]
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| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:49 - May 5 with 1993 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:37 - May 5 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Nope. The club decide if they want to accept a bid to sell a player. That means the club have to pay up the contract. Unless the player requests a transfer - which is in essence the same as invoking a release clause. It's then up to the buying club to agree terms, and where the player may (or may not depending upon demand) get the buying club to compensate him for the old contract.
It's worth reading The Secret Footballer where he talks about this.
It's one of the main reasons that transfer fees just keep going up and up and up, to cover the cost of settling the player's contract.
Hence we won't be selling Omari for £30M. [Post edited 5 May 15:40]
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This is just so confused - and wrong. | | | |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:54 - May 5 with 1940 views | PhilTWTD |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 15:48 - May 5 by LegendofthePhoenix |
With respect Phil, I don't think that's right. A contract is a contract. If the player doesn't request a move, and the club decide they want t sell him, then the club are breaking the contract - hence they would need to settle it, or be in breach of contract and could be sued.
Of course, there could be a compromise settlement figure agreed if player and club both want the move. [Post edited 5 May 15:51]
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If a player requests a move then he doesn't get what's left of his signing on fee, or at least that always was the case, may have changed now or be less across the board. If a player moves to another club then that's it for his existing contract, the new one at the other club supercedes it, unless there is an agreement to settle it to facilitate a move to a club where they're earning less.
Same with managers. You quite often get sacked managers, unless they settle their contracts, continuing to pick up their wage until such time as they sign another contract with another club, at which point they stop being paid by their earlier side. | | | |
| Aston Villa and West Ham United among clubs fighting to sign Omari on 16:05 - May 5 with 1867 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It's always worth remembering, I am usually right! |  | | |
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