| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in 18:59 - May 18 with 3131 views | Nutkins_Return |
Obviously for what he has done for this club but even on today he's set up a team which did more than enough to win the game and the players haven't taken the chances. We win that game way more often then not on the balance of the game. Rotten result to stomach but not a rotten performance and wouldn't be putting that on the manager today. |  |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:21 - May 18 with 522 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:11 - May 18 by blueoutlook |
It’s not anti anything. It’s been an awful season. However you try to dress it up. He has to take some of the criticism. He isn’t above that. One home win all season. Can’t beat any of the teams in the bottom three, it’s rubbish however you look at it! |
Considering the narrative has been how much better we are than the other promoted sides, it’s hard to disagree with this take. |  | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:25 - May 18 with 509 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 19:26 - May 18 by Herbivore |
It's a small number of very vocal divs. The vast majority are still supportive, so not worth worrying too much about. |
I think you meant ‘divs and trolls’. | | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:27 - May 18 with 499 views | yesjohn99 |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 19:58 - May 18 by textbackup |
I lost count of how many times MA himself said it was great to have O’Leary to ‘calm him down’ or ‘give him another view point’
Now it’s all on him. |
Which Ashton absolutely loves. | | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:30 - May 18 with 484 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:18 - May 18 by blueasfook |
If you look at this season in isolation, McKenna has proven to be no better or worse than the managers of Southampton and Leicester. That's without taking into account we were by far the biggest spenders of the three. Personally I dont much care if he stays or goes at this point. Pretty much indifferent is where I am at. I dont think it would be a disaster for us if he and the club were to part company at this point. |
Biggest spenders mainly due to the fact the value of our squad was vastly lower than those teams you mentioned. People get too hung up on how much money we spent. It was a complete necessity to try and catch up with 19 other teams in the division. |  |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:30 - May 18 with 477 views | Whos_blue |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:11 - May 18 by blueoutlook |
It’s not anti anything. It’s been an awful season. However you try to dress it up. He has to take some of the criticism. He isn’t above that. One home win all season. Can’t beat any of the teams in the bottom three, it’s rubbish however you look at it! |
Criticism - yes.
KM out - bobbins. |  |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:30 - May 18 with 475 views | cressi |
Got away with it lightly this fan base give their managers much more scope than fans of other clubs. | | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:31 - May 18 with 475 views | RobTheMonk |
He's done more than enough to deserve another shot. Don't forget how bad we were in League 1 before he took over.
I do however think the gloss isn't now as shiny. We got used to doing the unbelievable. This has been a big wake up call with the gulf in quality. |  | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:32 - May 18 with 461 views | Swansea_Blue |
Everyone changes their manager and it doesn’t always work. It didn’t for us in the previous 8 attempts. And then simultaneously everyone complains that manager turnover is so high and there’s never any stability.
So let’s (a) stick with someone who’s proven themselves to be one of our best managers, and (b) build some stability. Next season will be a completely different ball game and I suspect some people will look back on now and think they may have overreacted a tad. |  |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:33 - May 18 with 459 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:30 - May 18 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Biggest spenders mainly due to the fact the value of our squad was vastly lower than those teams you mentioned. People get too hung up on how much money we spent. It was a complete necessity to try and catch up with 19 other teams in the division. |
As Ashton said himself though, more pressure to get it right for a club like us.
Luton spent over 100M less and got more points. I don’t think it’s insignificant to look at these fees. Love the ambition but think we got a at least a few wrong. [Post edited 18 May 20:33]
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:33 - May 18 with 455 views | Mullet |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:30 - May 18 by cressi |
Got away with it lightly this fan base give their managers much more scope than fans of other clubs. |
Which other clubs have had managers do a comparable job in the previous two seasons?
Acting like entitled plastics at the big six or West Ham types isn't something to aspire to. |  |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:36 - May 18 with 433 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:30 - May 18 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Biggest spenders mainly due to the fact the value of our squad was vastly lower than those teams you mentioned. People get too hung up on how much money we spent. It was a complete necessity to try and catch up with 19 other teams in the division. |
Totally agree.
So many people still don’t understand the gulf we’re trying to bridge. It’s not just the seasons in L1, but 22 years without the benefits of being at the top table. Not to mention the lack of investment during Evan’s tenure. | | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:37 - May 18 with 424 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Since Leicester appointed RVN, they have gained more points than we have....
RVN is generally seen as a disaster.
I'm not anti KM, but I can see why people may be critical. |  |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:38 - May 18 with 412 views | backwaywhen |
Just wrote a piece on his match report , doom mongers in abundance, we all have a little moan about certain aspects of any game we lose , but the calling him out after such a harsh season back in the Prem , is a unjust and a lack of respect for what he has achieved before , let’s keep it in some sort of respectful criticism rather than wanting him strung from the gallows .
Judge next season is the least he deserves from Town fans .
Uppa Towen. | | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:39 - May 18 with 411 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I still think some people don’t quite understand the task he had on his hands. Perhaps highlighted by those who hate the “we were in league 1 2 seasons ago” narrative. I understand it’s not what you want to hear after a defeat but it’s contextually very important.
The squad we came up with must have had the lowest combined value of any prem squad in maybe the last 5/10 years. We had no option to go for continuity because we would have got eaten alive (more so than we have done). So we had to go out and buy multiple players who were stepping up to this level for the first time, for multiple reasons. Financial, competition etc etc. we just had soooo many’s factors against us.
McKenna hasn’t always got it right and people are allowed to criticise certain decisions, that’s being a football fan. But any notion that he’s not the right man to lead us forward, or those people who are now being weirdly negative and playing down our chances next year is all a bit silly. We just found ourselves in the hardest league in world football, a little bit too early and we couldn’t overcome that. Which is fine. | |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:39 - May 18 with 409 views | blueasfook |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:36 - May 18 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Totally agree.
So many people still don’t understand the gulf we’re trying to bridge. It’s not just the seasons in L1, but 22 years without the benefits of being at the top table. Not to mention the lack of investment during Evan’s tenure. |
£130m thrown at it is no measly sum. You have to agree the signings we've made have been miss more than hit. Who takes responsibility for that? |  |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:42 - May 18 with 396 views | Bramidan |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:36 - May 18 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Totally agree.
So many people still don’t understand the gulf we’re trying to bridge. It’s not just the seasons in L1, but 22 years without the benefits of being at the top table. Not to mention the lack of investment during Evan’s tenure. |
Yes I can accept the point you are making but why oh why in games didn’t we give it a go?
Are all coaches from the Gareth Southgate mode?
FFS change it up in the second half, we’ve done nothing, don’t just don’t put on like for like.
It isn’t working change the system,what have you got to lose? | | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:53 - May 18 with 358 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:39 - May 18 by blueasfook |
£130m thrown at it is no measly sum. You have to agree the signings we've made have been miss more than hit. Who takes responsibility for that? |
130m is a lot of money but in premier league terms it is a drop in the ocean.
Most teams have Benches worth around 200 million alone. It’s about trading. We are now in a position where we have assets we can trade, we didn’t before. Of course there have been hits and misses, but that’s just the reality of it. Some of those players might look like misses now, but in 2/3 seasons might end up being capable premier league players, patience is needed also. I’m sure everyone behind the scenes will be reviewing what they can do better in the summer and in 2 summers time when hopefully we are getting ready for an another crack at this. | |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:53 - May 18 with 354 views | Swansea_Blue |
It’s not that baffling really. I can 100% guarantee the mood would have been very different if we’d drawn or won. Even though it would have made no difference to the season. Football fans are ruled by their hearts, not their heads. | |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:55 - May 18 with 345 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:39 - May 18 by blueasfook |
£130m thrown at it is no measly sum. You have to agree the signings we've made have been miss more than hit. Who takes responsibility for that? |
That completely misses the point regarding how far we were (and still are) behind other clubs in squad depth and financial trading.
A few signings haven’t worked out as well as would have been hoped - however injuries has had a massive impact on that. Many who were signed never got a chance to bed in and make a difference. . | | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:55 - May 18 with 347 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:33 - May 18 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
As Ashton said himself though, more pressure to get it right for a club like us.
Luton spent over 100M less and got more points. I don’t think it’s insignificant to look at these fees. Love the ambition but think we got a at least a few wrong. [Post edited 18 May 20:33]
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Now Luton are in league one.
The business they did might have got them a few more Premier league points but it was recruitment that didn’t set them up well for the following season which has ended them up getting relegated. So short term great they got a couple more points and still went down, but it was bad long term recruitment. | |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:58 - May 18 with 331 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:55 - May 18 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Now Luton are in league one.
The business they did might have got them a few more Premier league points but it was recruitment that didn’t set them up well for the following season which has ended them up getting relegated. So short term great they got a couple more points and still went down, but it was bad long term recruitment. |
You’re confusing the point slightly. It was just an example of how we have missed the mark with those signing’s for competing in the PL, which is what is currently being argued on this thread for the reason for the high spend.
For next season they should serve us fairly well. | | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:59 - May 18 with 321 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 19:32 - May 18 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
And then of course you get the other extreme from a sub section of fans, some that would never criticize or question anything he or the club does. Those then seem to get all offended if someone else does challenge say, for example any in game management or recruitment decisions. |
Not sure that's a real group of people. Of course you can question things but we've got people calling for his head etc. the context going into this season is it would take everything to go for us (injuries' few decisions etc) to stay up. Out squad is short to compete and the injuries have not helped/killed us off. There is only so much McKenna can do with the cards he has. He's still the same exceptional manager that went back to back. Reality is doing it back to back made the task even more difficult.
Fully behind that man - he still knows exactly what we need... ;) | |
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| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 21:00 - May 18 with 319 views | glasso |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:03 - May 18 by Trequartista |
I don't think its baffling, even though i disagree with it.
There are times when there is not much room for debate like last season where it is was clear to anyone but the deluded that it was a brilliant season.
This season, if you look at our points tally having spent £140m, it is dreadful and the other two teams in our position sacked their manager.
There is of course the context of coming from League One in two seasons into a strong league of teams with at least 3 years of premier league money spent on them to counter that.
So this season there is a wider spectrum of debate depending on how much you feel that context applies. You could reasonably argue any case from "McKenna out" to "all part of the journey, McKenna to lead us back next season" |
I can't believe people on here are still regurgitating this "but we've spent £140m!" line. Been watching too much Sky Sports, whose view on football begins when a club enters the Premier League and ends as soon as they're relegated. | | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 21:01 - May 18 with 306 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 20:42 - May 18 by Bramidan |
Yes I can accept the point you are making but why oh why in games didn’t we give it a go?
Are all coaches from the Gareth Southgate mode?
FFS change it up in the second half, we’ve done nothing, don’t just don’t put on like for like.
It isn’t working change the system,what have you got to lose? |
But haven’t we (mostly - there was the odd game when we didn’t give it enough of a go)
Today is a good example.
Bad result, yes. But we had the majority of the attacking threat (check the games stats if your eyes didn’t agree with this), but poor finishing and a couple of defensive/goalkeeping weaknesses undid us.
That’s not a case of ‘not giving it a go’, but not being good enough on the day. We’ve had far too many of those days. | | | |
| Baffling the anti McKenna stuff creeping in on 21:04 - May 18 with 291 views | Chrisd |
It’s fair to question him, we’ve been poor for months. Yes, he’s done brilliantly the last two seasons but he is not exempt from criticism because of that. He’s paid extremely well to do his job and that comes with a certain level of scrutiny. | |
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