| Overseas recruitment network...... 06:51 - May 21 with 2582 views | bobbyramsey |
What does it actually involve, how long does it take and how much does it cost?
Any ideas on how all this works as it's something we badly need and maybe something we should have been working on since GC became involved. |  | | |  |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 07:20 - May 21 with 2158 views | itfcjoe |
Spotting the players is the easy bit, as can be done remotely with data etc - it’s getting the presence on the ground, being ‘in’ with the right agents, learning about the character of the player, getting really to grips with standards of the leagues etc
I’d guess the ‘soft skills’ to get ahead of competitors in these markets without just being at beck and call of certain agents |  |
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 07:33 - May 21 with 2090 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
It’s also about building relationships with the right people locally to provide an insider track on emerging talent.
I’d be surprised if GC didn't begin this process at least during last season. |  | | |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 07:53 - May 21 with 2039 views | SheffordBlue |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 07:33 - May 21 by SuffolkPunchFC |
It’s also about building relationships with the right people locally to provide an insider track on emerging talent.
I’d be surprised if GC didn't begin this process at least during last season. |
I do wonder whether we might have been further ahead if Sam Williams had decided to stay rather than return to Manchester United. His departure led to be a bit of a shift in role titles and I think we now have a Head Scout rather than a Head of Recruitment. | |
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 09:13 - May 21 with 1857 views | lurcher |
The club does not seem interested in bringing in players from abroad. We have recruited one player Cajuste, who wasn't already in the UK.
The entire focus seems to be on recruiting domestic players that protect or increase their value. [Post edited 21 May 9:14]
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 09:25 - May 21 with 1820 views | RegencyBlue |
I’m guessing it takes quite a while, particularly when recruitment, like everything else under Evans, was neglected for so long.
Having said that it is very obvious how well other clubs have recruited overseas so I’d like to think it is a priority for us. Time will tell I suppose. |  | | |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 09:25 - May 21 with 1817 views | wrightsrightglove |
I often wonder if there are any unexploited markets with regards to football, I'm assuming probably not now. But you'd assume every population could produce high end players if they're coached well enough at a young age. Could you set up an academy in a country and start to develop players? It feels like every youngster in most footballing countries are on the radar of all of the big clubs by the time they're 10 so it's a very crowded market, however there must be places out there which aren't | | | |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 09:58 - May 21 with 1702 views | SomethingBlue |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 09:25 - May 21 by wrightsrightglove |
I often wonder if there are any unexploited markets with regards to football, I'm assuming probably not now. But you'd assume every population could produce high end players if they're coached well enough at a young age. Could you set up an academy in a country and start to develop players? It feels like every youngster in most footballing countries are on the radar of all of the big clubs by the time they're 10 so it's a very crowded market, however there must be places out there which aren't |
Difficult when it comes to work permits and visas but there is so much more to do in Africa – the level and number of talented players there who could thrive in the right conditions is truly mindboggling. The Baltic states have become a very effective place to bring some of these players before bigger moves but the well of talent is endless. [Post edited 21 May 10:01]
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 10:27 - May 21 with 1601 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 09:58 - May 21 by SomethingBlue |
Difficult when it comes to work permits and visas but there is so much more to do in Africa – the level and number of talented players there who could thrive in the right conditions is truly mindboggling. The Baltic states have become a very effective place to bring some of these players before bigger moves but the well of talent is endless. [Post edited 21 May 10:01]
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The Red Bull group (primarily Salzburg) and FC Nordsjælland (albeit owned by the Right to Dream group) have mastered the scouting in Africa, which has always surprised me that other clubs haven’t followed suit. |  |
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 11:00 - May 21 with 1527 views | SomethingBlue |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 10:27 - May 21 by Kieran_Knows |
The Red Bull group (primarily Salzburg) and FC Nordsjælland (albeit owned by the Right to Dream group) have mastered the scouting in Africa, which has always surprised me that other clubs haven’t followed suit. |
They have, at the higher level, and there's so much more to tap into. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are definitely becoming very important too. [Post edited 21 May 11:00]
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 11:26 - May 21 with 1442 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 09:58 - May 21 by SomethingBlue |
Difficult when it comes to work permits and visas but there is so much more to do in Africa – the level and number of talented players there who could thrive in the right conditions is truly mindboggling. The Baltic states have become a very effective place to bring some of these players before bigger moves but the well of talent is endless. [Post edited 21 May 10:01]
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'Before bigger moves' is key there though I think. Is there a pool of players playing in Africa who are capable of coming into a PL or top Championship side and instantly making an impact? The Championship is generally a higher level than the Baltic leagues, Austria and probably Denmark.
It feels like the work needs to be done to develop players over a period of time with loans out etc similar to what Brighton do. But are we in that sort of position right now? Probably not. We are going to need to be an established PL side to have that luxury. [Post edited 21 May 11:27]
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 11:41 - May 21 with 1382 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 09:13 - May 21 by lurcher |
The club does not seem interested in bringing in players from abroad. We have recruited one player Cajuste, who wasn't already in the UK.
The entire focus seems to be on recruiting domestic players that protect or increase their value. [Post edited 21 May 9:14]
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Or they don't have enough of any infrastructure in place to do it yet. | | | |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 11:48 - May 21 with 1359 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 09:13 - May 21 by lurcher |
The club does not seem interested in bringing in players from abroad. We have recruited one player Cajuste, who wasn't already in the UK.
The entire focus seems to be on recruiting domestic players that protect or increase their value. [Post edited 21 May 9:14]
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I seem to recall Phil saying that we didn’t actually scout Cajuste either, he was offered to us via an agent after his deal to Brentford fell through.
Hopefully Phil can clarify that! | |
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 11:54 - May 21 with 1347 views | SomethingBlue |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 11:26 - May 21 by tractorboy1978 |
'Before bigger moves' is key there though I think. Is there a pool of players playing in Africa who are capable of coming into a PL or top Championship side and instantly making an impact? The Championship is generally a higher level than the Baltic leagues, Austria and probably Denmark.
It feels like the work needs to be done to develop players over a period of time with loans out etc similar to what Brighton do. But are we in that sort of position right now? Probably not. We are going to need to be an established PL side to have that luxury. [Post edited 21 May 11:27]
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My point isn't that you'd bring some kid over from Liberia and stick him into Preston (a). It's more that the talent is there and smart clubs develop pathways for it. For example – Baltic club scouts in Africa, has arrangement with (say) Union Saint-Gilloise, Union Saint-Gilloise then flog the lad to Germany or (say) Brighton. As you say, takes a long time to establish these structure and hopefully we can get properly involved. | |
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 11:56 - May 21 with 1327 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 11:54 - May 21 by SomethingBlue |
My point isn't that you'd bring some kid over from Liberia and stick him into Preston (a). It's more that the talent is there and smart clubs develop pathways for it. For example – Baltic club scouts in Africa, has arrangement with (say) Union Saint-Gilloise, Union Saint-Gilloise then flog the lad to Germany or (say) Brighton. As you say, takes a long time to establish these structure and hopefully we can get properly involved. |
Tony Bloom now about to purchase a stake at Hearts in Scotland now as well, so no doubt they’ll also be a stop gap with the eventually of signing for Brighton… | |
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 13:57 - May 21 with 1046 views | bobbyramsey |
I certainly feel we are a bit behind the curve here, I know under Evans nothing happened and nothing was expected but GC have been here four years now and with the ambition shown in other areas of the club I find it a bit disappointing that this area appears to have been neglected. MA is supposed to be a wise footy administrator, surely he should have had his finger on the pulse? And then all this nonsense about only wanting to recruit young "English speaking" players? It really gives the impression that we're not vaguely interested in overseas recruitment which I find very odd. | | | |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 14:36 - May 21 with 974 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 09:13 - May 21 by lurcher |
The club does not seem interested in bringing in players from abroad. We have recruited one player Cajuste, who wasn't already in the UK.
The entire focus seems to be on recruiting domestic players that protect or increase their value. [Post edited 21 May 9:14]
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We obviously have been taking that approach, but Ashton has been saying for a while that they need to grow the overseas recruitment side of things. Certainly last summer he was saying it was in their plans when they could get around to it. Just complying with PL rules seemed to take up a lot of energy and time. |  |
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 14:41 - May 21 with 954 views | lurcher |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 11:41 - May 21 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Or they don't have enough of any infrastructure in place to do it yet. |
Not sure they intend to put it in place. If you have money you can go after recognised domestic talent. There is a far higher chance they will work out, over internationally relocated players.
People get intoxicated by the odd gem sourced abroad. But many struggle and drift away. | | | |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 15:26 - May 21 with 891 views | GeoffSentence |
Pah! Who needs an overseas recruiting network. We never used to. We just watched the videos and signed Paz. |  |
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 16:02 - May 21 with 821 views | bobbyramsey |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 14:36 - May 21 by Swansea_Blue |
We obviously have been taking that approach, but Ashton has been saying for a while that they need to grow the overseas recruitment side of things. Certainly last summer he was saying it was in their plans when they could get around to it. Just complying with PL rules seemed to take up a lot of energy and time. |
But why wait until we've reached the PL. GC have been here for four years, surely something could have been put in place earlier. | | | |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 16:15 - May 21 with 789 views | Steve_M |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 15:26 - May 21 by GeoffSentence |
Pah! Who needs an overseas recruiting network. We never used to. We just watched the videos and signed Paz. |
Paz and some unheralded makeweight! |  |
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 16:51 - May 21 with 720 views | soupytwist |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 16:02 - May 21 by bobbyramsey |
But why wait until we've reached the PL. GC have been here for four years, surely something could have been put in place earlier. |
Given the increased risk of signing foreign players without the right structures in place to increase the chances of success, it's no real surprise that we've not been splashing the cash in the overseas market yet.
However, we haven't actually been able to sign a player from anywhere for the last 4 months due to the transfer window thing. There's one coming up soon, let's see what happens when it opens. If we're still signing willowy wingers/number 10s from other Championship teams then questions will rightly be asked. |  | | |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 16:54 - May 21 with 715 views | Horsham |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 16:15 - May 21 by Steve_M |
Paz and some unheralded makeweight! |
And didn’t we have a scout by the name of Simon Hunt who did our overseas scouting back then. |  | | |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 17:00 - May 21 with 690 views | PhilTWTD |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 16:54 - May 21 by Horsham |
And didn’t we have a scout by the name of Simon Hunt who did our overseas scouting back then. |
Simon Hunt came in under George Burley and returned in 2008.
 Hunt Confirmed as International Scout 16th Jun 2008 17:21Town have confirmed Simon Hunt as the club's new head of international scouting and recruitment. The Blues' former European scout was one of the names quickly linked after Town announced their intention to appoint a new overseas talent finder.  0
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 17:03 - May 21 with 680 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 14:41 - May 21 by lurcher |
Not sure they intend to put it in place. If you have money you can go after recognised domestic talent. There is a far higher chance they will work out, over internationally relocated players.
People get intoxicated by the odd gem sourced abroad. But many struggle and drift away. |
And take time to adjust.
Time was never on our side this season | |
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| Overseas recruitment network...... on 17:37 - May 21 with 618 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Overseas recruitment network...... on 09:13 - May 21 by lurcher |
The club does not seem interested in bringing in players from abroad. We have recruited one player Cajuste, who wasn't already in the UK.
The entire focus seems to be on recruiting domestic players that protect or increase their value. [Post edited 21 May 9:14]
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The quotes have always concerned me about wanting English players that can fit in straight away.
You can get players that have played in the top leagues abroad for cheaper than English up and coming EFL talent. |  | | |
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