| Junior Doctors 09:08 - Jul 25 with 5375 views | Chris_ITFC |
Yeah, I want a 30% pay rise too mate. |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 09:11 - Jul 25 with 2529 views | Mullet |
Join a union, campaign for one, do a job that’s been critically undervalued and screwed over by the Tories for years then. |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 09:13 - Jul 25 with 2499 views | NedPlimpton |
*Resident Doctors
There's nothing Junior about them |  | | |
| Junior Doctors on 09:19 - Jul 25 with 2436 views | Herbivore |
Have you suffered a real terms pay cut of close to that over the last 15 years? If you have then do what the junior doctors are doing and join a union, vote in favour of strike action over pay, and put pressure on your employer to redress the real terms pay cuts you've had to tolerate alongside a sustained period of challenging working conditions too. |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 09:19 - Jul 25 with 2430 views | Tonytown |
Divide and conquer |  | | |
| Junior Doctors on 09:19 - Jul 25 with 2429 views | Blue_Heath |
Go back to the start of the tories reign and inflation link your wages against the doctors, I bet I know who comes out on top in terms of wage increase over that period. | | | |
| Junior Doctors on 09:20 - Jul 25 with 2406 views | Swansea_Blue |
Would you like a 11% pay cut since 2010 as well? I’ve some sympathy for the docs (and all NHS staff, just to add). The BMA also need to realise that it’s taken a long time for their pay to be degraded, so it’ll take more than a couple of years to restore it. They had a very juicy settlement only recently as well, even though it didn’t recover pay to those 2010 levels. I’m sure they’ll end up reaching a better settlement but not near 29%. People’s sympathies will be limited, as a lot of us have had real terms pay cuts over the same period. [Post edited 25 Jul 9:28]
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| Junior Doctors on 09:22 - Jul 25 with 2391 views | Trequartista |
It's just an opening gambit, they'll accept 29% |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 09:23 - Jul 25 with 2376 views | thebooks |
Well, you could make a snarky comment on a football message board, or you could join a union. Up to you. Good luck! |  | | |
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| Junior Doctors on 09:39 - Jul 25 with 2228 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Junior Doctors on 09:20 - Jul 25 by Swansea_Blue |
Would you like a 11% pay cut since 2010 as well? I’ve some sympathy for the docs (and all NHS staff, just to add). The BMA also need to realise that it’s taken a long time for their pay to be degraded, so it’ll take more than a couple of years to restore it. They had a very juicy settlement only recently as well, even though it didn’t recover pay to those 2010 levels. I’m sure they’ll end up reaching a better settlement but not near 29%. People’s sympathies will be limited, as a lot of us have had real terms pay cuts over the same period. [Post edited 25 Jul 9:28]
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Yep, husband of an NHS Clinical Nurse Specialist here. The whole NHS have seen pay degradation over the last 20 years. Not just resident doctors, therefore should they get the figure they are asking for its a matter of time until we see like for like strikes from nurses, radiographers, porters etc etc etc.
I'm a huge supporter of resident doctors, but I can't help but feel the BMA has misjudged the mood here, they should be asking for a year on year increase of 6.5% until the degradation is addressed rather than a figure of 30% which the public will find ridiculous after receiving widespread support for a 22% increase not that long ago. |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 09:52 - Jul 25 with 2184 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Junior Doctors on 09:39 - Jul 25 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Yep, husband of an NHS Clinical Nurse Specialist here. The whole NHS have seen pay degradation over the last 20 years. Not just resident doctors, therefore should they get the figure they are asking for its a matter of time until we see like for like strikes from nurses, radiographers, porters etc etc etc.
I'm a huge supporter of resident doctors, but I can't help but feel the BMA has misjudged the mood here, they should be asking for a year on year increase of 6.5% until the degradation is addressed rather than a figure of 30% which the public will find ridiculous after receiving widespread support for a 22% increase not that long ago. |
Exactly this.
Inflation is sh*t, but it affects all of us to one extent or another.
20% last year, 30% this year, for people who are going to end up on £100k plus? That’s going to pay for a lovely little violin. | |
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| Junior Doctors on 10:23 - Jul 25 with 2110 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Junior Doctors on 09:39 - Jul 25 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Yep, husband of an NHS Clinical Nurse Specialist here. The whole NHS have seen pay degradation over the last 20 years. Not just resident doctors, therefore should they get the figure they are asking for its a matter of time until we see like for like strikes from nurses, radiographers, porters etc etc etc.
I'm a huge supporter of resident doctors, but I can't help but feel the BMA has misjudged the mood here, they should be asking for a year on year increase of 6.5% until the degradation is addressed rather than a figure of 30% which the public will find ridiculous after receiving widespread support for a 22% increase not that long ago. |
Agree on second para. In principle it’s a fair ask, but not in comparison to everyone else who’s also seen a fall in living standards. As you say, they are misreading the room a bit.
But on the other hand, it also shouldn’t be a race to the bottom. Everyone working in the private sector should have pay that keeps pace with inflation. So I’m obviously on the fence! They deserve it, but so do others and I can see it filling resentment. I think a phased ask would have been better optics. | |
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| Junior Doctors on 10:24 - Jul 25 with 2102 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Junior Doctors on 09:11 - Jul 25 by Mullet |
Join a union, campaign for one, do a job that’s been critically undervalued and screwed over by the Tories for years then. |
Like 99.9% of the population, if I asked for a 30% pay rise, I’d be politely told to jog on and get back to work.
If I thought someone else would be mad enough to give me higher pay and conditions elsewhere, I’d get my P45.
Which magic money tree is funding a 30% increase in NHS salaries, by the way? | |
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| Junior Doctors on 10:32 - Jul 25 with 2055 views | giant_stow |
Has anyone got a figure for what meeting rhe drs'demands would cost? I seem to remember it being £1b, but that seems high. What ever it is, I wonder how much it would be to give porters, cleaners, admin and nurses the same increase?
With an (extremely) limited governmental pot, I'd sooner see the less well off staff bumped up first. |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 10:33 - Jul 25 with 2049 views | thebooks |
| Junior Doctors on 10:24 - Jul 25 by Chris_ITFC |
Like 99.9% of the population, if I asked for a 30% pay rise, I’d be politely told to jog on and get back to work.
If I thought someone else would be mad enough to give me higher pay and conditions elsewhere, I’d get my P45.
Which magic money tree is funding a 30% increase in NHS salaries, by the way? |
Sorry, automatic yellow card for “magic money tree”. I don’t make the rules, sorry. | | | |
| Junior Doctors on 10:35 - Jul 25 with 2035 views | Mullet |
| Junior Doctors on 10:24 - Jul 25 by Chris_ITFC |
Like 99.9% of the population, if I asked for a 30% pay rise, I’d be politely told to jog on and get back to work.
If I thought someone else would be mad enough to give me higher pay and conditions elsewhere, I’d get my P45.
Which magic money tree is funding a 30% increase in NHS salaries, by the way? |
Did you read my post or just not understand it? | |
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| Junior Doctors on 10:41 - Jul 25 with 1998 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Junior Doctors on 10:35 - Jul 25 by Mullet |
Did you read my post or just not understand it? |
The whole country got screwed over by the Tories. Inflation, mortgages, taxes…
We’re all worse off. We aren’t getting 30% pay rises (and nor are they), because the country can’t afford it (unless you wish to explain otherwise).
It wouldn’t matter if my employer recognised unions or not (they don’t). But the whole country striking from a completely ludicrous negotiating position sounds a great idea. | |
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| Junior Doctors on 10:41 - Jul 25 with 1992 views | BloomBlue |
Don't see the problem. The books have to balance, give them the pay they want, but pay for it by reducing the spending from another area within the NHS. Or better still reduce the waste in the NHS. Like too many public sectors, ie the military, there is so much waste you could save billions if you reduced the waste. There needs to be a bottom to top reform and reduce the waste. |  | | |
| Junior Doctors on 10:42 - Jul 25 with 1985 views | Dubtractor |
| Junior Doctors on 09:39 - Jul 25 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Yep, husband of an NHS Clinical Nurse Specialist here. The whole NHS have seen pay degradation over the last 20 years. Not just resident doctors, therefore should they get the figure they are asking for its a matter of time until we see like for like strikes from nurses, radiographers, porters etc etc etc.
I'm a huge supporter of resident doctors, but I can't help but feel the BMA has misjudged the mood here, they should be asking for a year on year increase of 6.5% until the degradation is addressed rather than a figure of 30% which the public will find ridiculous after receiving widespread support for a 22% increase not that long ago. |
That second paragraph perfectly reflects my thoughts on this.
Striking for a 30% increase just sounds ludicrous, no matter what has happened to pay over the last 15 years, and will get limited public sympathy. |  |
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| Junior Doctors on 10:43 - Jul 25 with 1977 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Junior Doctors on 10:33 - Jul 25 by thebooks |
Sorry, automatic yellow card for “magic money tree”. I don’t make the rules, sorry. |
Fair. 
But the point stands. They may as well be asking for gold Bentleys and Caribbean holidays, because it’s about as realistic.
What gets cut to pay for a 30% increase in NHS salaries? And then when the police, civil servants, carers, when they all want 30% too?
Sure, they deserve it. But money doesn’t grow on…  | |
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| Junior Doctors on 10:51 - Jul 25 with 1936 views | StokieBlue |
| Junior Doctors on 10:43 - Jul 25 by Chris_ITFC |
Fair.
But the point stands. They may as well be asking for gold Bentleys and Caribbean holidays, because it’s about as realistic.
What gets cut to pay for a 30% increase in NHS salaries? And then when the police, civil servants, carers, when they all want 30% too?
Sure, they deserve it. But money doesn’t grow on… |
So as long as it's a clap on the doorstep in recognition then there is no issue but having to actually pay them is a different matter?
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| Junior Doctors on 10:55 - Jul 25 with 1901 views | leitrimblue |
| Junior Doctors on 10:24 - Jul 25 by Chris_ITFC |
Like 99.9% of the population, if I asked for a 30% pay rise, I’d be politely told to jog on and get back to work.
If I thought someone else would be mad enough to give me higher pay and conditions elsewhere, I’d get my P45.
Which magic money tree is funding a 30% increase in NHS salaries, by the way? |
What do you do for a job Chris? |  | | |
| Junior Doctors on 10:58 - Jul 25 with 1887 views | HampBlue |
Given recent inflation I suspect we're all technically poorer than we were a few years ago. It's a cost of living crisis for everyone.
The union is bullying the government who made promises this wouldn't happen under their watch, thinking this will damage them. We shouldn't pretend it's anything else.
Where do they think this money come from? Maybe their pensions, would they be happy to trade? Or maybe pay freezes for other public services? welfare cuts? | | | |
| Junior Doctors on 10:58 - Jul 25 with 1883 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Junior Doctors on 10:51 - Jul 25 by StokieBlue |
So as long as it's a clap on the doorstep in recognition then there is no issue but having to actually pay them is a different matter?
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| Junior Doctors on 10:59 - Jul 25 with 1875 views | tonybied |
| Junior Doctors on 09:19 - Jul 25 by Herbivore |
Have you suffered a real terms pay cut of close to that over the last 15 years? If you have then do what the junior doctors are doing and join a union, vote in favour of strike action over pay, and put pressure on your employer to redress the real terms pay cuts you've had to tolerate alongside a sustained period of challenging working conditions too. |
...also, in a highly skilled job that takes an awful lot of training to get into in the first place...
...but, yeah, if you just look at the headline. How dare they ask for a 30% payrise? It's disgusting that they want to be paid at a relatively similar rate to that which doctors received 20 years ago! It's a rather unimportant job anyway, it's not like we're living in a world where people are living to older ages, and suffering more health conditions, for longer periods! |  | | |
| Junior Doctors on 11:01 - Jul 25 with 1851 views | StokieBlue |
I'm not convinced it's a strawman.
You've cited they should get more money but we can't and shouldn't pay them more money so the implication is doing something else would be fine.
Plenty of people happy to clap but not happy to see pay rises.
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