| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah 20:24 - Sep 10 with 76768 views | ElderGrizzly |
Was speaking at a University event and appears to have been shot (from distance) in the neck.
And actually shot, not the Donald Trump kind.
Horrific whatever your political views and has no place in politics
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:51 - Sep 14 with 2357 views | J2BLUE |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 19:44 - Sep 14 by bartyg |
Maybe because "far left" viewpoints relate to wealth inequality, whilst far right ones are usually about creating an ethnostate |
This is the third time in about two weeks you have replied missing the point. Is it deliberate? |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:20 - Sep 14 with 2174 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 13:02 - Sep 14 by Herbivore |
It's not coincidental that a decent number of posters no longer want to engage with you, no. It's very much not coincidental, it's down to you being dishonest and a bad faith actor. I'm not sure how many more times this needs to be spelled out to you. Genuine centrists like Swanners have put you on ignore, you might want to reflect on that but you undoubtedly won't. |
it's down to you and your gang disagreeing with what i post. it's pathetic. really, really pathetic. [Post edited 14 Sep 20:33]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:23 - Sep 14 with 2155 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 14:08 - Sep 14 by Herbivore |
When someone shows you who they are repeatedly, you should take notice. That people don't is how we ended up with Johnson as PM and Farage somehow still being very relevant in the political life of the country. |
i disagree with you repeatedly. and you really don't like it. the rest is just nonsense. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:30 - Sep 14 with 2104 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:08 - Sep 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I did. I've even posted elsewhere where I've watched a debate with him and an Oxbridge student (can't remember if it's this thread or another).
Along with "imagine 99% of the people throwing around terms such as fascist had ever heard of him before the news broke of his murder either" ...you seem to be throwing around a lot of assumptions. Personally I'd imagine people calling him fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?
If you can't see what Lowhouse is doing then that's on you. Lot's of other people can see it. |
what is lowhouse doing? your justification for the abuse directed to me by the usual crowd so far seems to be "I'd imagine people calling him fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?" - which amounts to "i saw a mob and joined in cos i thought that looked fun". | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:39 - Sep 14 with 2051 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 13:06 - Sep 14 by Herbivore |
There's lies, damn lies, then there's lowhouse. Pathologically dishonest. I'm glad people see through you. |
you are a total fraud. a refusal to debate and nothing but ad hominem insults. since you're a grown up -it's deeply deeply pathetic. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 22:07 - Sep 14 with 1878 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:30 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
what is lowhouse doing? your justification for the abuse directed to me by the usual crowd so far seems to be "I'd imagine people calling him fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?" - which amounts to "i saw a mob and joined in cos i thought that looked fun". |
None of that makes any sense.
That line you're quoting has nothing to do with you.
I've explained in another post what I think you're doing.
I suggest whatever it is you're drinking or smoking, you've probably had enough. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 22:22 - Sep 14 with 1809 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 15:54 - Sep 14 by Trequartista |
I’ve calmed down a bit now, I just can’t stand bullying and what I could have written would have seen a ban, so I’m glad I wrote what I did however lumping all radical leftists into one basket was inaccurate.
Absolutely nothing wrong with a radical left political position, it’s the inability to accept there are alternative viewpoints that I take issue with. There are certainly those with whom I disagree as what I would term radical left with who are perfectly willing to engage with good humour (Swansea blue for example). Others not so.
If anyone is familiar with Novara Media that gives a good example of what I mean. From that crew, Aaron Bastani who I believe is a Marxist, engages with people from all parts of the spectrum with good humour, appears on GB News to give opinions and I enjoy listening to him. Michael Walker also of Novara Media sits in his dungeon sneering. |
“Radical left”  . Really? Am I going to have to go and buy a beret?  |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 22:33 - Sep 14 with 1742 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 22:07 - Sep 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
None of that makes any sense.
That line you're quoting has nothing to do with you.
I've explained in another post what I think you're doing.
I suggest whatever it is you're drinking or smoking, you've probably had enough. |
so in response to :
"Lowhouse was honest enough to post that he knew little to nothing about Charlie Kirk and asked for justification as to why Kirk was branded a fascist."
you posted:
"Personally I'd imagine people calling him fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?"
and my reply doesn't make sense? really? and i'm the one 'drinking or smoking'? ok then.
anyway, i've said all i can on this thread. but i will continue to take great pleasure in expressing views that upset, and challenge the nonsense of, you and herby and the gang. and you can all complain how unfair it is that your views aren't being echoed back to you. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 22:46 - Sep 14 with 1725 views | Swailsey |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 22:33 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
so in response to :
"Lowhouse was honest enough to post that he knew little to nothing about Charlie Kirk and asked for justification as to why Kirk was branded a fascist."
you posted:
"Personally I'd imagine people calling him fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?"
and my reply doesn't make sense? really? and i'm the one 'drinking or smoking'? ok then.
anyway, i've said all i can on this thread. but i will continue to take great pleasure in expressing views that upset, and challenge the nonsense of, you and herby and the gang. and you can all complain how unfair it is that your views aren't being echoed back to you. |
Why have you not replied to the several of us who have asked why you always seek to poke holes in people’s arguments about causes which you claim to support?
Or why you only try to find fault with left-leaning articles? |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 22:51 - Sep 14 with 1697 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 22:33 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
so in response to :
"Lowhouse was honest enough to post that he knew little to nothing about Charlie Kirk and asked for justification as to why Kirk was branded a fascist."
you posted:
"Personally I'd imagine people calling him fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?"
and my reply doesn't make sense? really? and i'm the one 'drinking or smoking'? ok then.
anyway, i've said all i can on this thread. but i will continue to take great pleasure in expressing views that upset, and challenge the nonsense of, you and herby and the gang. and you can all complain how unfair it is that your views aren't being echoed back to you. |
I'm afraid you're confused. I wasn't responding to that bit you've quoted.
Glassers gave a list of people (from this debate) that he trusted knew about Kirk before his assasination. He glaringly left me out of that list. I replied, "I did. I've even posted elsewhere where I've watched a debate with him and an Oxbridge student (can't remember if it's this thread or another)."
Glassers then said he "imagine(s) 99% of the people throwing around terms such as fascist had ever heard of him before the news broke of his murder either" which I took umbrage to and said, "...you seem to be throwing around a lot of assumptions."
BECAUSE...
"Personally I'd imagine people calling him fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?"
THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE IN THE THREAD CALLING KIRK A FASCIST, WHO GLASSERS IS SUGGESTING MIGHT NOT HAVE KNOW ABOUT HIM BEFORE HIS DEATH.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 23:00 - Sep 14 with 1656 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 11:11 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
"It's a constant and deliberate tactic to ignore the pernicious creep of racist views and increasingly far-right attitudes"
no, it's an attempt to debate stuff and to challenge your lazy self-satisfied arguments. you raised the murder rate of black brits while calling another poster racist and attempting to connect that differential murder rate and racism. i pointed to the home office stats which suggest something quite different. I have pointed this out to you but you haven't been able to respond.
not that anyone should care, i do find being smeared as far right to be very offensive. in terms of debating techniques that one is just plain nasty. i'm a life time member of the labour party, support the current government and would have almost no political differences from ministers like streeting. i know you disagree with all of that - but labelling it as far right is pathetic. [Post edited 14 Sep 11:15]
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You consistently rationalise far right actions tactics and repression. You saw the Democrats and Maga republicans as equally culpable of anti democratic actions.
Wes Streeting would be horrified to have you in his camp.
You are utterly disingenuous and have been for a year or so. Prior to that I hardly noticed you so I don't know what has happened. |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 23:19 - Sep 14 with 1595 views | Libero |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 17:28 - Sep 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Not really. I dipped in and out but very rarely and mostly when the transfer window opened. I found it quite liberating. Starting to think about a voluntary absence after the past few days on here. I can see myself getting dragged back into pointless debates with people who mean absolutely nothing to me.
I've always found Lowhouse a balanced and decent poster. We used to have a bi of back and forth pre Corbyn when he'd go into bat for Labour and vice versa.
But honestly don't recognise what some other people are saying. Same reply to Dubs earlier post. And you are two guys I have a lot of time for. |
That opening paragraph, but minus the first sentence and read in a 16 year old girls voice. |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 23:21 - Sep 14 with 1554 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 22:46 - Sep 14 by Swailsey |
Why have you not replied to the several of us who have asked why you always seek to poke holes in people’s arguments about causes which you claim to support?
Or why you only try to find fault with left-leaning articles? |
i've only challenged things which are false and lazy and intolerant. alas that does apply to many of the dominant gang on here. of course anyone can point out the intolerance, small mindedness and bigotry of the extreme right. we all know that. but surely someone also needs to point out that, tragically, some of the left-leaning group on here are little different.? or is such a view just totally unacceptable?
some people on here need to realise that the online world descending into extremism isn't something that only involves other people.
anyway i really am leaving this thread. but as much as the dominant, shouty, group may wish, not the board. [Post edited 14 Sep 23:22]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 23:23 - Sep 14 with 1563 views | reusersfreekicks |
Get your morning star subscription sorted | | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 00:53 - Sep 15 with 1397 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 23:21 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
i've only challenged things which are false and lazy and intolerant. alas that does apply to many of the dominant gang on here. of course anyone can point out the intolerance, small mindedness and bigotry of the extreme right. we all know that. but surely someone also needs to point out that, tragically, some of the left-leaning group on here are little different.? or is such a view just totally unacceptable?
some people on here need to realise that the online world descending into extremism isn't something that only involves other people.
anyway i really am leaving this thread. but as much as the dominant, shouty, group may wish, not the board. [Post edited 14 Sep 23:22]
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Good idea. You could even use the time to learn something about the person you've spent 19 pages arguing about. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:29 - Sep 15 with 960 views | Herbivore |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 20:20 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
it's down to you and your gang disagreeing with what i post. it's pathetic. really, really pathetic. [Post edited 14 Sep 20:33]
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I've explained to you what it's about, quite a few times, but clearly on this, as on everything else, you think you know better. What's pathetic is you repeatedly calling people pathetic and juvenile for explaining to you why they don't want to engage with you rather than reflecting on the reasons they've given. Have a good day, try to find some time in it for some introspection. |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:55 - Sep 15 with 900 views | itfcjoe |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 18:28 - Sep 13 by redrickstuhaart |
There's conservative (small c) and there's people who think that a raped 13 year old year old should be forced to bear the child. |
Are there ever many examples of young girls being raped and being forced to carry to full term? It always strikes me as the counter argument to pro-abortion people would allow a mother to abort a healthy baby at 39 weeks.
I think people just get boxed in to what I would call extremist view points - I would certainly say Charlie Kirk was an extremist, and his views are from the side of politics I disagree with so am miles away from him |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:03 - Sep 15 with 865 views | DanTheMan |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:55 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
Are there ever many examples of young girls being raped and being forced to carry to full term? It always strikes me as the counter argument to pro-abortion people would allow a mother to abort a healthy baby at 39 weeks.
I think people just get boxed in to what I would call extremist view points - I would certainly say Charlie Kirk was an extremist, and his views are from the side of politics I disagree with so am miles away from him |
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/14/mississippi-abortion-ban-girl-rape |  |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:19 - Sep 15 with 803 views | itfcjoe |
An awful story, and shouldn't happen in any developed country but I always find the argument very bad faith about it in general, would hope not but wouldn't even be surprised if the 'gotcha' style of argument used these days is making things worse for the extremes at both ends of the debate and their real life consequences | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 09:53 - Sep 15 with 693 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 08:55 - Sep 15 by itfcjoe |
Are there ever many examples of young girls being raped and being forced to carry to full term? It always strikes me as the counter argument to pro-abortion people would allow a mother to abort a healthy baby at 39 weeks.
I think people just get boxed in to what I would call extremist view points - I would certainly say Charlie Kirk was an extremist, and his views are from the side of politics I disagree with so am miles away from him |
It is his explicitly professed view regardless of examples. Until recently of course, abortion rights in the US prevented such issues. |  | | |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:09 - Sep 15 with 643 views | DJR |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 23:21 - Sep 14 by lowhouseblue |
i've only challenged things which are false and lazy and intolerant. alas that does apply to many of the dominant gang on here. of course anyone can point out the intolerance, small mindedness and bigotry of the extreme right. we all know that. but surely someone also needs to point out that, tragically, some of the left-leaning group on here are little different.? or is such a view just totally unacceptable?
some people on here need to realise that the online world descending into extremism isn't something that only involves other people.
anyway i really am leaving this thread. but as much as the dominant, shouty, group may wish, not the board. [Post edited 14 Sep 23:22]
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You may not realise it but your posts on various topics do make you appear to be a bit of an apologist.
As it is, I rarely respond to you because you can be rather prolific but when I do I always try to be polite and to engage with you. [Post edited 15 Sep 10:18]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 11:43 - Sep 15 with 381 views | lowhouseblue |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 10:09 - Sep 15 by DJR |
You may not realise it but your posts on various topics do make you appear to be a bit of an apologist.
As it is, I rarely respond to you because you can be rather prolific but when I do I always try to be polite and to engage with you. [Post edited 15 Sep 10:18]
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damn you've tempted me back. the 'apologist' line only ever works if you adopt a tribal view of politics. criticising one side is only then interpreted as supporting the other side. it's an accusation that does little more than police the dividing lines between the tribes. i was inspired to originally join this thread because, in the context of a horrific murder, a poster justified violence against 'fascists'. as far as i could see only one poster reacted against that. most went along with it and some happily applied the label 'fascist' to charlie kirk. so i wanted to know how they defined a fascist - not unreasonable in the circumstances? so yes i was criticising what i see as a lazy, dangerous and extremist mind set - i do see that as part of the slide towards online hate and extremism - but claiming that i have been supporting or being an 'apologist' for charlie kirk is nonsense. yes i was criticising the dominant tribe on here - 'apologist' is one of the lines used by them to avoid engaging with any criticism of them.
and yes i agree you always engage politely. i do try to do the same with people who post decently - but equally i have a lot of abuse directed at me along with obsessive down arrowers. i don't care about that, but i do feel i can be direct with those posters in response. in terms of being 'prolific' i am often in the position of being one poster against half a dozen. [Post edited 15 Sep 11:44]
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 12:45 - Sep 15 with 373 views | Herbivore |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 11:43 - Sep 15 by lowhouseblue |
damn you've tempted me back. the 'apologist' line only ever works if you adopt a tribal view of politics. criticising one side is only then interpreted as supporting the other side. it's an accusation that does little more than police the dividing lines between the tribes. i was inspired to originally join this thread because, in the context of a horrific murder, a poster justified violence against 'fascists'. as far as i could see only one poster reacted against that. most went along with it and some happily applied the label 'fascist' to charlie kirk. so i wanted to know how they defined a fascist - not unreasonable in the circumstances? so yes i was criticising what i see as a lazy, dangerous and extremist mind set - i do see that as part of the slide towards online hate and extremism - but claiming that i have been supporting or being an 'apologist' for charlie kirk is nonsense. yes i was criticising the dominant tribe on here - 'apologist' is one of the lines used by them to avoid engaging with any criticism of them.
and yes i agree you always engage politely. i do try to do the same with people who post decently - but equally i have a lot of abuse directed at me along with obsessive down arrowers. i don't care about that, but i do feel i can be direct with those posters in response. in terms of being 'prolific' i am often in the position of being one poster against half a dozen. [Post edited 15 Sep 11:44]
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Expresses concerns about tribalism, refers to anyone who calls him out of his behaviour as a tribe despite those individuals all holding quite different political beliefs. You couldn't make it up. | |
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| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 13:07 - Sep 15 with 278 views | DJR |
| Far right politico Charlie Kirk just shot in the neck in Utah on 11:43 - Sep 15 by lowhouseblue |
damn you've tempted me back. the 'apologist' line only ever works if you adopt a tribal view of politics. criticising one side is only then interpreted as supporting the other side. it's an accusation that does little more than police the dividing lines between the tribes. i was inspired to originally join this thread because, in the context of a horrific murder, a poster justified violence against 'fascists'. as far as i could see only one poster reacted against that. most went along with it and some happily applied the label 'fascist' to charlie kirk. so i wanted to know how they defined a fascist - not unreasonable in the circumstances? so yes i was criticising what i see as a lazy, dangerous and extremist mind set - i do see that as part of the slide towards online hate and extremism - but claiming that i have been supporting or being an 'apologist' for charlie kirk is nonsense. yes i was criticising the dominant tribe on here - 'apologist' is one of the lines used by them to avoid engaging with any criticism of them.
and yes i agree you always engage politely. i do try to do the same with people who post decently - but equally i have a lot of abuse directed at me along with obsessive down arrowers. i don't care about that, but i do feel i can be direct with those posters in response. in terms of being 'prolific' i am often in the position of being one poster against half a dozen. [Post edited 15 Sep 11:44]
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I wasn't commenting on what you have said on this thread as I have deliberately chosen not to get too involved, so am not sure what you have said. Indeed, I have on a couple of occasions expressed my surprise at the length of this thread which I see has now made it to 20 pages.
As regards tribes (and not all people are particularly political), there is an increasing number in this country with the breakdown of the two-party system, so I don't things are as simple as one side and the other.
Finally, by prolific I probably meant more that (like me) you appear to like to have the last word, so I tend not to engage.  [Post edited 15 Sep 13:13]
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