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“I was at a club where regardless whether you took your opportunity or not there was politics behind it that you weren’t in the team for that reason or this reason”
Maybe backs up the claim of players starting because of the price tag?
Personally, I think Burgess was more hard done by than Woolfy. And he has gone quietly away and just got on with his job .... and actually starting every game. Good luck, Cam.
Maybe Woolfy has too much time on his hands being on the bench. Idle hands and all that.
Don't agree ( at this moment) with Kmac's decision over Greaves. Think Cam deserved to keep his place last season and Kippers deserved to keep his place last week, but O'Shea is a better player than Woolfenden.
Woolfenden is better off away from his home town club where there are too many buttering him up and boosting his ego. He should just keep it quiet and focus on his own club.
Edit: Take back what I said about McK favouring Greaves with Kippers coming back in. Take that, Foxy.
Do you have evidence that team selection choices were 100% down to KM only, and that there was no pressure on him from our ownership group or MA to give the expensive signings more game time?
Of course McKenna has integrity, but that doesn’t mean the soundest managers can always completely ignore their employers.
Of course not, same as you have no evidence to the contrary. I would go on logic here - why would our owners want to make the team worse by picking inferior players/out of form just because they cost more money ?
I have given examples above where very expensive players have been dropped Philogene, Taylor, Muric, Clarke and others.
What would be the benefit from playing them because they cost more ?
I'm pretty disappointed by Woolfy being a bit public with his grievances here, aswith some of his social media posting, pretty unprofessional tbh.
McKenna clearly decided that Woolfy wasn't his first choice, as managers will often do, and fair enough that Woolfy wanted to move on, but this sort of stuff reflects pretty poorly on him.
[Post edited 4 Oct 14:14]
So you're saying there's a reason he was "Sent to Coventry".
Motm again today, but probably because the sponsors wanted to meet him
I thought he was fantastic. Could well have been MOTM.
Not really the point though. Your theory was he was dropped Tuesday due to internal politics/Greaves costing more. So how does that fit with him starting today ahead of Greaves?
Do you have evidence that team selection choices were 100% down to KM only, and that there was no pressure on him from our ownership group or MA to give the expensive signings more game time?
Of course McKenna has integrity, but that doesn’t mean the soundest managers can always completely ignore their employers.
Blimey Ryorry - surprised at a post like that coming from you! I have no evidence, but id be hugely surprised if KM allowed any interferance from others in team selection.
Blimey Ryorry - surprised at a post like that coming from you! I have no evidence, but id be hugely surprised if KM allowed any interferance from others in team selection.
It’s absolute balderdash to suggest that anyone apart from KM picks the team. Yes, he may well ask for other peoples opinions, but they will be from people who he trusts. He alone picks the team.
And whilst we’re at it, he has the final say on transfers.
Blimey Ryorry - surprised at a post like that coming from you! I have no evidence, but id be hugely surprised if KM allowed any interferance from others in team selection.
I wasn't talking about "interference", I was talking about influence; and if KM had a say in the purchase of Greaves for all that dosh (which I assume he did) then I'd be amazed if he felt no pressure, including from himself, to give Greaves the chance to play and prove himself.
I appreciate I'm in a minority here, but that's my opinion, which I believe I'm allowed to have.
I wasn't talking about "interference", I was talking about influence; and if KM had a say in the purchase of Greaves for all that dosh (which I assume he did) then I'd be amazed if he felt no pressure, including from himself, to give Greaves the chance to play and prove himself.
I appreciate I'm in a minority here, but that's my opinion, which I believe I'm allowed to have.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion. But i genuinely think he’s stronger than that Ryorry.
I don’t know the bloke, but I just cannot imagine him allowing internal or external pressure in the way you describe. I can’t see how he’d last five minutes if he did. Certainly if I was him I’d not allow it and actually walk away if it was even tried.
I have no problem with Burgess or Woolfenden. I’d like them both to have stayed. Omari and Broadhead too. I fully respect their decisions to move on, am privileged to see them play. They’ll always be welcome (as was Jim Magilton at the ground today btw).
I just wish OH and LW had dealt with it a little differently in their various ways. It served LW no benefit in using social media. Nor did throwing his toys out benefit OH. He’d have got his move regardless.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion. But i genuinely think he’s stronger than that Ryorry.
I don’t know the bloke, but I just cannot imagine him allowing internal or external pressure in the way you describe. I can’t see how he’d last five minutes if he did. Certainly if I was him I’d not allow it and actually walk away if it was even tried.
I have no problem with Burgess or Woolfenden. I’d like them both to have stayed. Omari and Broadhead too. I fully respect their decisions to move on, am privileged to see them play. They’ll always be welcome (as was Jim Magilton at the ground today btw).
I just wish OH and LW had dealt with it a little differently in their various ways. It served LW no benefit in using social media. Nor did throwing his toys out benefit OH. He’d have got his move regardless.
I think it’s all likely to have been far more subliminal/nuanced/conflicting in practice than has been allowed for on here. Things are rarely as cut and dried, black or white, in practice as they are in theory; and both KM and LW are human at the end of the day.
Talking of which, I’m also disappointed in some of the responses I’ve seen on this thread towards LW. Are they coming from perfect people who’ve never made a mistake; or who’ve never got emotional and reacted badly when they’ve been hurt? If not, that’s hypocrisy. Being flawed myself, I tend to cut others some slack for all but the most serious transgressions.
I think it’s all likely to have been far more subliminal/nuanced/conflicting in practice than has been allowed for on here. Things are rarely as cut and dried, black or white, in practice as they are in theory; and both KM and LW are human at the end of the day.
Talking of which, I’m also disappointed in some of the responses I’ve seen on this thread towards LW. Are they coming from perfect people who’ve never made a mistake; or who’ve never got emotional and reacted badly when they’ve been hurt? If not, that’s hypocrisy. Being flawed myself, I tend to cut others some slack for all but the most serious transgressions.
[Post edited 6 Oct 2:03]
It would be easy for Woolf to be hurt in private and get on with his own career. He also wasn't hurt enough to accept another contract. He had a dig at the club. Of course he's going to get some kind of reaction. Best thing he can do is make himself a first choice CB for Coventry and put in first class performances that would make us question Mckennas decision. He hasn't yet.
I wasn't talking about "interference", I was talking about influence; and if KM had a say in the purchase of Greaves for all that dosh (which I assume he did) then I'd be amazed if he felt no pressure, including from himself, to give Greaves the chance to play and prove himself.
I appreciate I'm in a minority here, but that's my opinion, which I believe I'm allowed to have.
Of course you are, I wasnt suggesting otherwise . Just surprised that you think that.
I’m not saying that there’s any huge conspiracy or weird underhand thing going on, but players which were brought for lots of £££ have been given more chances than those who were here before, regardless of performance - which is why many of the old guard looked to move away (Chappers, Morsy, Burgess, Woolfie).
Money talks unfortunately.
I think the thing you (and others) are missing is that it's never a static, fully developed situation, where player A is a 6.8 and player B is a 7.2, and therefore player B should be playing and player A should be on the bench,
Two things: It's how they integrate with the rest of the team on the day, which is also fluid, so it's a massive great simultaneous equation which can't absolutely be solved by any manager so there's a lot of skilled 'art' in play.
More importantly though, it's about development potential and particularly so with KMc who is a fantastic developer of players. You do persevere in terms of game time with players who you think can go on to be the best option in say a year's time - particularly if the realistic targets of the club are to rebuild for a season and get back to the top level for the next season.
Specifics: Woolfy was great on the ball, better than O'Shea at carrying it forward between box and half way line, did pretty well in the Prem when he got the chance, but he lacks pace and that's a big no no if we want to establish ourselves there. O'Shea has better pace and is stronger than Woolfy, particularly in the air. Woolfy would have been more than fine for us in this division, but we need to develop a PL ready pairing.
Burgess (and Kipre probably similarly) are great big strong solid reliable defenders. Burgess was superbly consistent and had fantastic judgement which meant he rarely exposed himself to getting done for pace. His integration with Davis in particular was excellent. Burgess was probably better than Greaves last season, would probably have been better than Greaves early this season, but Greaves has pace, carries the ball really well and when he's on his game is a very solid defender who uses his size well to win contests on the ground and in the air.
It's all about development with Greaves - he's definitely not on his game at the moment, gets caught wrong side far too much and makes some bad last ditch decisions, but we have half a season or so to tune up an O'Shea/Greaves partnership which would be the best option of all for the PL - if it works. I'd trust KMc above anyone to judge that and to make it work.
TLDR - If you look at it statically O'Shea/Burgess or Woolfy/Burgess might be in some ways a better partnership right now than O'Shea/Greaves, but the only partnership which could be truly PL-ready by the end of the season is O'Shea/Greaves, if KMc perseveres with them and gets the development right. My guess is he will.
woolf was right and not a bitter, daft footballer after all!
Gloves off on this fcuking arrogant tossa now:
Yes he is bitter. I heard from a close friend of Woolfenden that he fell out with McKenna over a YEAR ago. He didn't like being dropped, and thought he should be first choice. His friend told me hes been wanting to dis the club and McKenna ever since. Low and behold as soon as hes left the club ( absolutely queuing round the block to sign wonder boy werent they!) he does exactly that.
Hes nothing special, never has been and even his transfer fee reflects this. He's not to my knowledge even been a young international, so where on earth he gets his high and mighty opinion about himself from God only knows! He now warms Coventry's bench. He's a back up player for other first team players injuries, at whatever club hes at.
Three different Town managers at some point have eventually dropped him or simply never picked him. HE thinks he's something special, as do his little band of brothers on this forum. He's arrogant, and a League One level player. I wont even call him a CB, because hes not one. Hope he likes the "politics" at Coventry as he sits out his career on their bench, or perish the thought gets sold off to a second rate championship outfit like scum. He'd fit in there very well. He's an absolute tossa and c nut of the highest order.
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. Just surprised that you think that. 
