| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:51 - Nov 14 with 644 views | Herbivore |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:47 - Nov 14 by noggin |
"But if you look at the US and even France - while people are obviously unhappy about things like rising inflation, the standard of living there is considerably higher than here in aggregate."
I'm guessing you weren't meaning Mississippi or Louisiana? [Post edited 14 Nov 9:49]
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The US has pretty shocking levels of poverty, but I imagine the poster in question is thinking of middle class folks like themselves when they are talking about standards of living: https://www.statista.com/statistics/233910/poverty-rates-in-oecd-countries/?srsl |  |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:53 - Nov 14 with 637 views | noggin |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:35 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
A change for the worse. And he's not really a change, he's about as establishment figure as you could get. A career politician who doesn't want to change the status quo but just wants the power to make him and his mates richer. It's a shame people like you are easily hoodwinked by grifters like Farage. It's easy to see what he is if you just open your eyes for a bit. |
"A career politician who doesn't want to change the status quo but just wants the power to make him and his mates richer."
I'm starting to think this is the norm for all senior politicians. |  |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:53 - Nov 14 with 634 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 08:30 - Nov 14 by Kieran_Knows |
They’re all w4nkers.
Labour get in - spend 4 years blaming everything the Tories had done the previous 4 years.
Tories get in - spend 4 years blaming everything Labour had done the previous 4 years.
Rinse and repeat, over and over again. |
I’m firmly of the opinion you have to hope they’re not all w@nkers (and having crossed paths with several politicians, albeit a while ago now, my experience was there are plenty of good ones). We’ve got to have hope, even if the evidence suggests it’s futile. This current position was forecasted before the last election because we had limited options (Labour people in here warned everyone what Starmer’s Labour was like, but it was hobson’s choice).But we have to believe that better is possible as trite as that sounds. |  |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:54 - Nov 14 with 631 views | Herbivore |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:51 - Nov 14 by bsw72 |
In the last 10 years we have had the referendum, pandemic, ukraine invasion all impacting the financial markets across Europe and with a direct impact on the UK.
Maybe the problem is not the people in charge as much as the system underpinning it all and needs a more fundamental change.
After all the the "definition" of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. |
I don't disagree, we need a pretty fundamental shift as modern capitalism isn't fit to tackle things like climate change and an aging population, along with the general erosion of standards of living. A system that absolutely needs growth at all costs or it will periodically implode as a result isn't sustainable. You'd hope a Labour government might at least try to start ushering us towards a social democratic model as a first step though but it's just more of the same from them. | |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:54 - Nov 14 with 628 views | DanTheMan |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 08:45 - Nov 14 by nrb1985 |
Don't agree, I think this is the begining of a fourth industrial revolution.
It's already having an impact on productivity in the US for example - the unemployment rate is rising but corporate profits are rising too. The US labour market hiring is basically at a stand still also - so companies are already doing more with less.
Now, clearly, that's not ideal and things like UBI will need to be considered with time - but in terms of productivity etc, that could be enormous and we are only in the first innings.
That's before we even get to humanoids and generative AI. [Post edited 14 Nov 8:58]
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The only studies that we've seen come out on AI productivity showed there was vanishingly few companies who even broke even with AI, let alone made a profit. Most gave up with it.
The people making the money are the chip makers and that's about it. The rest are throwing money at it but are barely making any revenue let alone profit from it.
Seems to me there is going to be a giant collapse soon, not that I'd want to try and time it. |  |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:55 - Nov 14 with 620 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:28 - Nov 14 by The_Major |
Utterly pathetic.
Like Sitters said, most people aren't going to begrudge paying a little more extra to help finance things better for the whole - to put it in Reform speak, it's the patriotic thing to do. I see there's a group of very wealthy people (including the Greggs CEO) touring agreeing with this - saying that people in their wealth bracket should pay more as they have the broadest shoulders.
Problem is with that is that you get snarks saying "Well, you can pay voluntairly, you know" to which my answer is simple - How do you know they haven't?
I don't think I've ever been more disappointed in a government. They're absolutely gutless. They've got an eye spinning majority in the HoC - these are not the days of the Coalition, or the Wilson/Callaghan governments staggering on for years with a single figure majority.
You've got that majority - use it. Stop basing your decisions on the fear that you don't want to upset a group of people who aren't going to vote for you even if you give the entire population £1m each, lower the state pension age to 43, free public transport across the board or ensure that everyone has invicible immortality.
Stop sitting there worrying what how the Daily Mail is going to react. Who cares? The Daily Mail is a newspaper owned by a billionaire that lives in France, doesn't pay UK tax, and had a grandfather that used the newspaper to support the Nazis, and stayed as a guest of Hitler in 1937! It's a disgusting putrid vessel that constantly sneers at this country and is downright treacherous.
Stop sitting there worrying about how Farage is going to react. Who cares? The frog faced grifting Lord Haw Haw has shown time and again how much he despises this country, and the contempt he has for the population. Like that other monumental prick Johnson, he couldn't give a damn about you whether you support him or not. The absolute fiasco going on in Kent, Cornwall, and Lancashire at the moment only serves as a warning as to what would happen if he got into power. We can't say we haven't been warned.
For the love of God, be bold, make changes that will have a real impact on people's lives. Highlight the good that immigration brings to this country. Point out to people that we NEED controlled immigration due to a falling birth rate since 1960, otherwise the care sector and the NHS will collapse, and state pension age will go up to about 75 because there won't be so many people paying in.
Launch Leveson II, to tackle the downright lies and falsehoods that appear in the press. Stop kowtowing and fawning to the Mango Mussolini every five minutes - tell him to stick his $1bn lawsuit against the BBC and back off now he's got his apology. Point out to those so called patriots backing him over the BBC, that that is not exactly patriotism. Quite the opposite.
Bring in radical measures on a whole host of things that could transform people's lives. Do it now, so that people feel the benefit by the next election. Make it so that any incoming party in 2029 if it's not Labour would dare not reverse this legislation because it would be political suicide.
Show some goddamned guts. Go on the front foot against the plastic patriots, and call them out for what they are. Stop worrying about whether you'll still be in Downing Street in 2030, and instead make the changes now. Better to look back and say, "Yeah, we lost, but we made a heck of a difference to people's lives" than "Well, we're still here, but have achieved nowt" - ye gods, even that lunatic Truss showed more courage than this during her catastrophic tenure, because that economic policy was what she believed in and had the courage of her convictions to do it.
For fecks sake, buck your ideas up. |
Excellent Post
People need to see s/m term improvements not l term only
And Starmer needs to get off the fence
And grovelling to an authoritarian bully is repulsive |  | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:55 - Nov 14 with 617 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 07:39 - Nov 14 by TractorWood |
I think we're seeing the reality of a policy by leak approach/socialisation approach. Everyone will just say it doesn't work. |
Governments have always leaked policy to test the reaction. That's nothing new.
The fact Labour are doing it at a time where they are perceived to have no political compass is silly from them. |  | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:56 - Nov 14 with 615 views | Meadowlark |
Although not as corrupt as the Tories, they do seem to be chaotic. At least we knew the Tories didn't care (unless you're rich or want to steal from the taxpayer) This lot probably care but can't get it together.
And I still think it's daft that statutory pensions are now taxable!! |  | | |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:56 - Nov 14 with 609 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:43 - Nov 14 by Herbivore |
I wouldn't describe Switzerland or Singapore as comparable countries to the UK.
Just seen your edit. The US is a third world country for a decent chunk of the population. It might be good for the upper middle classes but it's not a country we should be aspiring to be like. Standard of living is also quite a hard thing to measure, but this suggests that the US is slightly better or slightly worse than us depending on the source and metrics whereas France is worse on both metrics/sources used: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/standard-of-living-by-country [Post edited 14 Nov 9:46]
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Yeah but nrb was hanging out with rich people so all is well! |  |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:59 - Nov 14 with 587 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 08:30 - Nov 14 by Kieran_Knows |
They’re all w4nkers.
Labour get in - spend 4 years blaming everything the Tories had done the previous 4 years.
Tories get in - spend 4 years blaming everything Labour had done the previous 4 years.
Rinse and repeat, over and over again. |
Yeah this really helps move the std of debate on
And what are you doing personally apart from blanket abuse? [Post edited 14 Nov 10:01]
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:06 - Nov 14 with 562 views | SitfcB |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:32 - Nov 14 by Benters |
Time for change innit. |
Yeah, stop the #woke.
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:08 - Nov 14 with 538 views | LutherBlissett |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:00 - Nov 14 by leitrimblue |
So AI will create more jobs because the printing press did?
I wonder I you would be interested in trading that cow for these magic beans?  |
Branston would be tempting. |  | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:09 - Nov 14 with 538 views | leitrimblue |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:06 - Nov 14 by SitfcB |
Yeah, stop the #woke.
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Excellent! That's exactly the kinda thinking we need to end the cost of living crisis.
Where do I vote? |  | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:09 - Nov 14 with 536 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:31 - Nov 14 by nrb1985 |
Correct - having lived on two continents and three countries I see how people in other countries enjoy a considerably higher standard of living than the UK under the existing form of what you call capitalism.
I've answered your question, you answer mine? |
An interesting read on Singapore....
https://insidestory.org.au/the-singapore-grip/
For Singapore, the risk of a falling population is exacerbated by a dirty little secret: the city hosts a vast underclass of “non-resident” workers on temporary visas. Some are in well-paid jobs (and resented by locals for that), but many others do dangerous or low-status jobs as construction labourers, factory hands and domestic servants.
There are about 1.5 million of them among Singapore’s 5.5 million people, more than a quarter of the population. But that was all I could find about them in the statistics. These workers reside in Singapore — the labouring men and factory workers often in crowded dormitories that have become an ideal environment for spreading Covid-19 — but they have no path to permanent residency and are expected to return to their home country when the job ends. | |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:09 - Nov 14 with 537 views | noggin |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:06 - Nov 14 by SitfcB |
Yeah, stop the #woke.
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Yeah, take the vote from women too, while we're at it. Woke nonsense. | |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:10 - Nov 14 with 527 views | leitrimblue |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:08 - Nov 14 by LutherBlissett |
Branston would be tempting. |
You leave Richard outta this | | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:13 - Nov 14 with 508 views | LutherBlissett |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:10 - Nov 14 by leitrimblue |
You leave Richard outta this |
"I suppose if there was an element of... stick, you know - Richard Branson up in a balloon, watching the situation and saying, "there's your twenty-six thousand pounds, but I'm watching you from a balloon, and I can see a very long way."
Decent result last night. Mayo abu. | | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:14 - Nov 14 with 499 views | Herbivore |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:06 - Nov 14 by SitfcB |
Yeah, stop the #woke.
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Glad they're focusing on tbe stuff that really matters. | |
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:21 - Nov 14 with 456 views | nrb1985 |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:54 - Nov 14 by DanTheMan |
The only studies that we've seen come out on AI productivity showed there was vanishingly few companies who even broke even with AI, let alone made a profit. Most gave up with it.
The people making the money are the chip makers and that's about it. The rest are throwing money at it but are barely making any revenue let alone profit from it.
Seems to me there is going to be a giant collapse soon, not that I'd want to try and time it. |
There is quite a lot of evidence to suggest that junior hiring and graduate roles in knowledge sectors have slowed down considerably since the launch of ChatGPT. The "Big Four" and global law firms have explicitly alluded to AI being one of the reasons for them trimming grad recruitment numbers.
Hard to disentangle that from broader macro factors but all signs point to AI having an impact already. Why do you need a junior lawyer for example to read a contract which your in house GPT can do in 20 seconds.
To your other point - we are starting to see signs of ROI on all that AI spend. For example, Microsoft's AI unit will generate $12bn in revenue this year (their third year of existence) - it took Azure, which you'll know I'm sure as their cloud division, eight years to hit that milestone. [Post edited 14 Nov 10:48]
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:23 - Nov 14 with 447 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 08:19 - Nov 14 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
They’ve also managed to stifle growth with rumours of big tax hikes, a lot of the damage is already done as firms have put hiring and investment on hold in anticipation. They really do seem rudderless. |
Yesterday I got slated for posting that they stumble from one disaster to another. Both politically and economically, this is a disaster. [Post edited 14 Nov 11:05]
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| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:25 - Nov 14 with 436 views | nrb1985 |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 09:56 - Nov 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Yeah but nrb was hanging out with rich people so all is well! |
These sorts of jibes have come my way on here ever since I mentioned my profession. Which I'm not afraid to do, I think it's quite useful for people to know your level of experience when assessing views. But moreover, all a bit childish no? And unfortunately, says quite a lot about you as opposed to me.
I think if you met me in real life you'd be quite shocked about who I am, my background, the various causes I'm quite passionate in supporting and my political views.
Why don't we just accept that we all want to solve the same issue, a higher standard of living for everyone but that your way of solving it is different to mine? | | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:32 - Nov 14 with 409 views | leitrimblue |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:13 - Nov 14 by LutherBlissett |
"I suppose if there was an element of... stick, you know - Richard Branson up in a balloon, watching the situation and saying, "there's your twenty-six thousand pounds, but I'm watching you from a balloon, and I can see a very long way."
Decent result last night. Mayo abu. |
Was an excellent result. I'm milking the praise for O'Shea and Ogbene as if I personally instructed um how to play.
Cold an wet in Mayo this week.. | | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:36 - Nov 14 with 390 views | LutherBlissett |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:32 - Nov 14 by leitrimblue |
Was an excellent result. I'm milking the praise for O'Shea and Ogbene as if I personally instructed um how to play.
Cold an wet in Mayo this week.. |
And every other week.
Irish-Ipswich agents all over the world. Get in Matty Holland's Telegram channel for your next international posting. | | | |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:41 - Nov 14 with 369 views | homer_123 |
| Income Tax rise ditched on 10:25 - Nov 14 by nrb1985 |
These sorts of jibes have come my way on here ever since I mentioned my profession. Which I'm not afraid to do, I think it's quite useful for people to know your level of experience when assessing views. But moreover, all a bit childish no? And unfortunately, says quite a lot about you as opposed to me.
I think if you met me in real life you'd be quite shocked about who I am, my background, the various causes I'm quite passionate in supporting and my political views.
Why don't we just accept that we all want to solve the same issue, a higher standard of living for everyone but that your way of solving it is different to mine? |
"Why don't we just accept that we all want to solve the same issue, a higher standard of living for everyone but that your way of solving it is different to mine?"
Here's my observation. I'm not sure that those who now control the wealth of the world have any interest in higher standards of living for everyone. You and I might.
But there is a reason social mobility is going backwards, why poverty is increasing and everything connected with it.
10% control 85%+ of the wealth of the world - that's an unhealthy distribution by any measure. Now, this is not new as such but it is getting worse and not better.
Profits - again, not a bad thing but they are if they come at a cost, which they often do. I'll point you in the direction of water companies as one, small, example. |  |
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