| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase 14:57 - Dec 5 with 2604 views | Chris_ITFC |
The wry smile on his face after airing this said it all.
Presser by PhilTWTD 5 Dec 14:51Can't let this become a narrative. Players read stuff, there are players who have made three, four five appearances. If you're an ITFC player, need to get behind them. If there's a narrative other than that, that's detrimental to the players. We'll pick the right team for the next six games in December and team will pick up good results.
Edit - The wry smile:
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:50 - Dec 5 with 437 views | BiGDonnie |
Fans are well within their rights to have a moan after the last two games. |  |
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:50 - Dec 5 with 432 views | monty_radio |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:00 - Dec 5 by J2BLUE |
He has a right to be. Everyone knows the negativity is damaging. Some choose to go all in anyway. |
Over our fluctuating years, when discontent has bubbled up, I have not infrequently read on here the assertion that fans lose managers their jobs (claims about Mick's departure being a case in point) I don't feel that it generally plays as big a part as fans like to think. And I also think that Ipswich fans would not top a table labelled Fan Entitlement.
In contrast to the Evans' years there are now many high-stakes personnel involved , who, while they seem to be a reasonable bunch as such people go, will have their own very definite views about how things are playing out and will not be swayed by short term events and reactions.
The reports of some examples of ignorant, mouthy behaviour are sad to hear, but count for nothing much more with the commited hierarchy than maybe an irritating need to apologise if things were to get out of hand. Most of us could point to someone who sits nearby who has been spewing out ignorance and worse season by season. As an away fan you might well find that suddenly such a fan is right there by you.
Those in charge probably find themselves more concerned when such as the ever reliable Brenner is heard to utter twice on air to Mathie after Blackburn, "we're not very good", are we? [Post edited 5 Dec 16:00]
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:53 - Dec 5 with 421 views | Mullet |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:47 - Dec 5 by SomethingBlue |
Let's not create a straw man here because I'm hardly beaming at the last few games. Anyhow – he's said in the same answer that he will carry the can, which is good because if things go wrong he certainly should. The only point is not to call McAteer, five or six games in, every name under the sun for 70 minutes because you (not *you*) don't agree with swapping him in. [Post edited 5 Dec 15:48]
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But no one really thinks we should do that who is worth listening too. I’ve been baffled from the get go why fans have taken against Kasey, and it seems there is always a boo boy for no reason beyond herd mentality.
The wider point that there seems to be a small minority who are the other way and won’t hear a word against McKenna is tiresome. We can’t be where we are, playing as badly as we are, coming up against Coventry tomorrow so far behind them and think he’s not handled the transition back down badly.
Pretending a few virgins and roundabout painters are tipping the club into the abyss is helping no one either. |  |
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:54 - Dec 5 with 413 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:04 - Dec 5 by Mullet |
In fairness McKenna needs to take responsibility for that. It’s all right blaming fans, but if you’re going to produce a week as sh1t as he has in the context of this season, the loudest morons are going to make themselves heard. |
It's to a degree chicken and egg stuff though isn't it. You generate positivy rather than negativity and you see the confidence on the pitch. You don't have people scared to play the more tricky but more rewarding pass. You create edgyness playing out frn the back etc.
But the flip side is it's difficult for football fans to be super positive with a team that is quite fragile, making mistakes and not playing fluidly.
The key thing is for the 90 minutes having the fans onside and not some of the recent examples of idiots jumping on our own players, calling Walton all the names (baffling!!) and scapegoating McAteer and Akpom amongst others.
Opinions on here is unavoidable really but during the game give all the lads out backing! | |
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:57 - Dec 5 with 389 views | SomethingBlue |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:53 - Dec 5 by Mullet |
But no one really thinks we should do that who is worth listening too. I’ve been baffled from the get go why fans have taken against Kasey, and it seems there is always a boo boy for no reason beyond herd mentality.
The wider point that there seems to be a small minority who are the other way and won’t hear a word against McKenna is tiresome. We can’t be where we are, playing as badly as we are, coming up against Coventry tomorrow so far behind them and think he’s not handled the transition back down badly.
Pretending a few virgins and roundabout painters are tipping the club into the abyss is helping no one either. |
I still think we're in straw man territory – I don't know anyone who's doing cartwheels and I certainly have questions about how our last transfer window went & why we've ended up with a fairly lop-sided squad and undercooked/overcooked players in key positions. For me it's more that the concerns tip into melodrama at a time when the position is imperfect but certainly not so terrible. We're seeing that constantly, it's become performative and competitive to the point of devaluing the English language entirely. If McKenna is worried that this is leading to players copping stuff that can affect their performances then people should probably lesson. Unfortunately those who need to almost certainly will not. [Post edited 5 Dec 16:00]
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:59 - Dec 5 with 376 views | Mullet |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:54 - Dec 5 by Nutkins_Return |
It's to a degree chicken and egg stuff though isn't it. You generate positivy rather than negativity and you see the confidence on the pitch. You don't have people scared to play the more tricky but more rewarding pass. You create edgyness playing out frn the back etc.
But the flip side is it's difficult for football fans to be super positive with a team that is quite fragile, making mistakes and not playing fluidly.
The key thing is for the 90 minutes having the fans onside and not some of the recent examples of idiots jumping on our own players, calling Walton all the names (baffling!!) and scapegoating McAteer and Akpom amongst others.
Opinions on here is unavoidable really but during the game give all the lads out backing! |
Well yeah and anyone not doing that is four letter word.
How we can go from beating the scum without really looking great, and not build on that is baffling. It was the perfect catalyst and yet….. | |
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:00 - Dec 5 with 366 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:54 - Dec 5 by Nutkins_Return |
It's to a degree chicken and egg stuff though isn't it. You generate positivy rather than negativity and you see the confidence on the pitch. You don't have people scared to play the more tricky but more rewarding pass. You create edgyness playing out frn the back etc.
But the flip side is it's difficult for football fans to be super positive with a team that is quite fragile, making mistakes and not playing fluidly.
The key thing is for the 90 minutes having the fans onside and not some of the recent examples of idiots jumping on our own players, calling Walton all the names (baffling!!) and scapegoating McAteer and Akpom amongst others.
Opinions on here is unavoidable really but during the game give all the lads out backing! |
Agree with all of this.
However, an observation - some of what is said on here will be a reflection of how those same voices appear on the terraces, don't you think? | | | |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:00 - Dec 5 with 364 views | Churchman |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:11 - Dec 5 by SitfcB |
And he has every right to be.
Our fanbase is very annoying.
Blackburn on Tuesday for example, sarcastically cheering Walton kicking it long after the last short one sailed quite close to the wind, people should be f’king used to our style of play now. |
I believe our fan base is dreadful. One of the worst. I’ve thought this for a while now. It’s easy to cheer when things are going well. Last minute goals etc, but support is meant to be more than that. A lot more. You learn what people are like as individuals when things don’t go so well. That goes for the collective too.
Heckling, booing getting on your own players backs, mocking them - who on earth in their right mind would want to play for this club bar those who want the money? If I was a Clarke, Philogene, the keepers, Hirst, I’d be badgering my agent to get me a move ASAP.
It’s actually far more toxic that at any time I can ever remember it, including the long suffering Duncanites or those who endured the Evans dross. It always quiet, but patient. Not now. It’s a society thing? I don’t buy that.
It’s in the nature of a large number that follow this club home and away. My money, I’ll do what I like? Don’t buy that either. Not when kids are there listening to foul mouthed torrents of abuse or adults who neither want or need to hear it. Who are these witless bed-defecators who think they have the right to do it anyway? What gives them the right to be so entitled? If they don’t like it, p£ss off and play dominoes or something.
So the season isn’t going as well as we all hoped. So what? How does dishing up the abuse help the players and the team? When the players throw the towel in as they did under Cook and just after he left, fine.
If or more likely when McKenna jumps ship this season or at the end of it, don’t be surprised. The bedwetters and misery merchants who so enjoy wading in will all have played their part. |  | | |
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:02 - Dec 5 with 353 views | Chris_ITFC |
Clipped the smile for the OP now.
Edit - although in hindsight, he was also looking at Phil at that point… and there is a hint of longing in his eyes. [Post edited 5 Dec 16:02]
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:04 - Dec 5 with 344 views | Chris_ITFC |
ICYMI, full quotes, courtesy of Phil:
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:06 - Dec 5 with 325 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
There are a section of our fanbase who genuinely think he should be sacked.
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:08 - Dec 5 with 314 views | Mullet |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:57 - Dec 5 by SomethingBlue |
I still think we're in straw man territory – I don't know anyone who's doing cartwheels and I certainly have questions about how our last transfer window went & why we've ended up with a fairly lop-sided squad and undercooked/overcooked players in key positions. For me it's more that the concerns tip into melodrama at a time when the position is imperfect but certainly not so terrible. We're seeing that constantly, it's become performative and competitive to the point of devaluing the English language entirely. If McKenna is worried that this is leading to players copping stuff that can affect their performances then people should probably lesson. Unfortunately those who need to almost certainly will not. [Post edited 5 Dec 16:00]
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No one mentioned cartwheels either, but there are fans on every media who won’t hear a word of criticism or excuse everything. I don’t think that’s any better than the pricks being abusive. | |
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:11 - Dec 5 with 295 views | jasondozzell |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:00 - Dec 5 by Churchman |
I believe our fan base is dreadful. One of the worst. I’ve thought this for a while now. It’s easy to cheer when things are going well. Last minute goals etc, but support is meant to be more than that. A lot more. You learn what people are like as individuals when things don’t go so well. That goes for the collective too.
Heckling, booing getting on your own players backs, mocking them - who on earth in their right mind would want to play for this club bar those who want the money? If I was a Clarke, Philogene, the keepers, Hirst, I’d be badgering my agent to get me a move ASAP.
It’s actually far more toxic that at any time I can ever remember it, including the long suffering Duncanites or those who endured the Evans dross. It always quiet, but patient. Not now. It’s a society thing? I don’t buy that.
It’s in the nature of a large number that follow this club home and away. My money, I’ll do what I like? Don’t buy that either. Not when kids are there listening to foul mouthed torrents of abuse or adults who neither want or need to hear it. Who are these witless bed-defecators who think they have the right to do it anyway? What gives them the right to be so entitled? If they don’t like it, p£ss off and play dominoes or something.
So the season isn’t going as well as we all hoped. So what? How does dishing up the abuse help the players and the team? When the players throw the towel in as they did under Cook and just after he left, fine.
If or more likely when McKenna jumps ship this season or at the end of it, don’t be surprised. The bedwetters and misery merchants who so enjoy wading in will all have played their part. |
Great post. Fully agree. |  | | |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:20 - Dec 5 with 245 views | reusersfreekicks |
P1ssed!!!
No - P1ssed Off
This is not the US
He says pettily [Post edited 5 Dec 16:27]
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:26 - Dec 5 with 206 views | DJR |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:11 - Dec 5 by jasondozzell |
Great post. Fully agree. |
I second that emotion.
Follow the Town up or down.
Indeed, there have been far more downs than ups since 1986, so to be sitting at 7th at this stage of the season isn't as bad as many are making out. [Post edited 5 Dec 16:57]
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:28 - Dec 5 with 189 views | JakeITFC |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:08 - Dec 5 by Mullet |
No one mentioned cartwheels either, but there are fans on every media who won’t hear a word of criticism or excuse everything. I don’t think that’s any better than the pricks being abusive. |
I would say that there is a difference there - supporters supporting (even if it is blindly) are not going to have a detrimental impact on the team like those moaning or groaning.
Everybody wishes we were better this season, everybody is surely also of the opinion that we should be doing better and that McKenna and those above him have a point to prove, but I strongly believed at the start of the year (and still do now) that the only way we mess this up is if we didn't blow teams away to start the year and sniping from the terraces started. It is much better for everyone involved if we are all together and cheering the team on in the games. |  | | |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:33 - Dec 5 with 157 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:00 - Dec 5 by Churchman |
I believe our fan base is dreadful. One of the worst. I’ve thought this for a while now. It’s easy to cheer when things are going well. Last minute goals etc, but support is meant to be more than that. A lot more. You learn what people are like as individuals when things don’t go so well. That goes for the collective too.
Heckling, booing getting on your own players backs, mocking them - who on earth in their right mind would want to play for this club bar those who want the money? If I was a Clarke, Philogene, the keepers, Hirst, I’d be badgering my agent to get me a move ASAP.
It’s actually far more toxic that at any time I can ever remember it, including the long suffering Duncanites or those who endured the Evans dross. It always quiet, but patient. Not now. It’s a society thing? I don’t buy that.
It’s in the nature of a large number that follow this club home and away. My money, I’ll do what I like? Don’t buy that either. Not when kids are there listening to foul mouthed torrents of abuse or adults who neither want or need to hear it. Who are these witless bed-defecators who think they have the right to do it anyway? What gives them the right to be so entitled? If they don’t like it, p£ss off and play dominoes or something.
So the season isn’t going as well as we all hoped. So what? How does dishing up the abuse help the players and the team? When the players throw the towel in as they did under Cook and just after he left, fine.
If or more likely when McKenna jumps ship this season or at the end of it, don’t be surprised. The bedwetters and misery merchants who so enjoy wading in will all have played their part. |
Kinda what I meant earlier about going away.
I just love it, win lose or draw. I find it hard to relate to people who spend all that time and money just to moan and groan. Sure, I’d love a 5-0 win every time, but if we can’t enjoy watching our team (come what may!), what’s the point? | |
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:35 - Dec 5 with 134 views | Mullet |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:28 - Dec 5 by JakeITFC |
I would say that there is a difference there - supporters supporting (even if it is blindly) are not going to have a detrimental impact on the team like those moaning or groaning.
Everybody wishes we were better this season, everybody is surely also of the opinion that we should be doing better and that McKenna and those above him have a point to prove, but I strongly believed at the start of the year (and still do now) that the only way we mess this up is if we didn't blow teams away to start the year and sniping from the terraces started. It is much better for everyone involved if we are all together and cheering the team on in the games. |
Maybe, maybe not as it seems to lead to more arguments and unpleasantness- especially when there’s a competitive super fan element to it. | |
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:35 - Dec 5 with 134 views | Chris_ITFC |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:00 - Dec 5 by Churchman |
I believe our fan base is dreadful. One of the worst. I’ve thought this for a while now. It’s easy to cheer when things are going well. Last minute goals etc, but support is meant to be more than that. A lot more. You learn what people are like as individuals when things don’t go so well. That goes for the collective too.
Heckling, booing getting on your own players backs, mocking them - who on earth in their right mind would want to play for this club bar those who want the money? If I was a Clarke, Philogene, the keepers, Hirst, I’d be badgering my agent to get me a move ASAP.
It’s actually far more toxic that at any time I can ever remember it, including the long suffering Duncanites or those who endured the Evans dross. It always quiet, but patient. Not now. It’s a society thing? I don’t buy that.
It’s in the nature of a large number that follow this club home and away. My money, I’ll do what I like? Don’t buy that either. Not when kids are there listening to foul mouthed torrents of abuse or adults who neither want or need to hear it. Who are these witless bed-defecators who think they have the right to do it anyway? What gives them the right to be so entitled? If they don’t like it, p£ss off and play dominoes or something.
So the season isn’t going as well as we all hoped. So what? How does dishing up the abuse help the players and the team? When the players throw the towel in as they did under Cook and just after he left, fine.
If or more likely when McKenna jumps ship this season or at the end of it, don’t be surprised. The bedwetters and misery merchants who so enjoy wading in will all have played their part. |
But you make an excellent point.
Kieran has stayed this long because he felt part of something, he felt he had a job left to do. I hope he always feels like that here. | |
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:36 - Dec 5 with 128 views | JakeITFC |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:35 - Dec 5 by Mullet |
Maybe, maybe not as it seems to lead to more arguments and unpleasantness- especially when there’s a competitive super fan element to it. |
Yeah, it's been bubbling up in the lower North all year tbh, worried this week that it is going to turn. | | | |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:37 - Dec 5 with 127 views | jasondozzell |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:26 - Dec 5 by DJR |
I second that emotion.
Follow the Town up or down.
Indeed, there have been far more downs than ups since 1986, so to be sitting at 7th at this stage of the season isn't as bad as many are making out. [Post edited 5 Dec 16:57]
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Exactly.
I understand we've spent money and we're ambitious now and all the rest of it yada yada but it wasn't long ago that we were desperately hoping we might just be involved with a play off hunt in most seasons and in most seasons we were miles off it.
KM has been incredible to watch at work ever since he came through the door. A bit of loyalty wouldn't go amiss.
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:41 - Dec 5 with 103 views | waveneyblue |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:49 - Dec 5 by SuffolkPunchFC |
In fairness, and for balance, there have been fans on the back of players almost before they kicked a ball. Some real prejudice. Much as the season started. That has consequences, and will create a knock on effect. So which came first, the chicken or the egg.
We still also have some on here who claim what is written / said about players doesn't get to them. It does. Morsy alluded to this before. And yet the usual suspected continue. [Post edited 5 Dec 15:56]
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McAteer was hated the instant he signed by the usual gobsh1tes on social media, because of the fee (which has always been assumed as being £12m) and the fact he wasn't a "sexy" signing. I remember the comments.
The fact that he has started slowly (that's being generous perhaps) has basically made him scapegoat No 1, a guy next to me at the Wrexham game greeted him by shouting "You're fcuking shit McAteer" as he ran on....
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:46 - Dec 5 with 90 views | Moggasknockdown |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:37 - Dec 5 by Mullet |
I think if we are going off insinuations then he is equally making one here, but I was referring to the OP.
Ultimately, if he keeps doing things badly, getting poor performances from better players he’s got to carry the can. Hes taken us from a well drilled machine, to an increasingly clunky underperforming mess of late.
If you’re not going to blame him for that or acknowledge it, then it really doesn’t work to credit him for anything either. This is the first time he’s really had to prove himself without being an underdog. It’s up to him to overcome that. |
Yep- totally agree. It is fair to say that the squad is misbalanced and currently using the 'eye test' it doesn't look like it is functioning- that is with a squad of players who have been expensively procured and are, in the main, tested at this level.
This place has always had a loyal fanbase, without being partisan or particularly demanding, but can often . One wonders what he might make of management at a Celtic, Sunderland or a Leeds. You don't survive very long in the game if you are very sensitive to criticism. | |
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| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:50 - Dec 5 with 83 views | Churchman |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:33 - Dec 5 by Chris_ITFC |
Kinda what I meant earlier about going away.
I just love it, win lose or draw. I find it hard to relate to people who spend all that time and money just to moan and groan. Sure, I’d love a 5-0 win every time, but if we can’t enjoy watching our team (come what may!), what’s the point? |
I wish I knew. Maybe some tools enjoy hating and the feeling they’re influencing/sticking it to people. Just as too high a percentage of blokes enjoy bullying and violence.
There is nobody on this planet that hates losing more than me. But there are limits to how you express it and a basic understanding that in sport you win, you lose and there should be no room for entitlement. | | | |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 16:52 - Dec 5 with 75 views | BlueStreak |
| Kieran’s properly p*ssed with the fanbase on 15:11 - Dec 5 by SitfcB |
And he has every right to be.
Our fanbase is very annoying.
Blackburn on Tuesday for example, sarcastically cheering Walton kicking it long after the last short one sailed quite close to the wind, people should be f’king used to our style of play now. |
Sorry mate, this isn't at you specially but this has annoyed me.
There is a time and a place for everything though when it comes to playing out the back. We had almost been caught out twice Tuesday trying to play out of the back in the slowest way possible. Was so easy to see exactly where the ball was going to go and Blackburn had to do almost nothing to pick the ball up in a very dangerous area, again.
This obviously followed new Morsy making a similar style mistake on Friday.
Time and a place on a tricky pitch, the right move at that point (no matter what you have been coached), is safety first.
Honest question, would you have been more annoyed with a few fans sarcastically cheered a long kick, or if we had tried to play it of the back again in the same slow sluggish way, and they had stolen it and scored? I know which one I would have been more annoyed at.
Now I am a massive fan generally of us playing out like that, it has worked for us so well over the last four years but it has become so slow and predictable it is now counter productive. Doesn't help when we have no width now so very few options.
Town players have got off very lightly having a fan base like ours. Others would have been wanting blood after the first 70 mins at Hull, Oxford and Blackburn. Fans are an easy target. |  | | |
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