| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich 17:50 - Dec 13 with 7500 views | Mullet |
I hate southern away days at the best of times, but that was honking yet again. No shape, leaders, guts, threat etc you name it and it was lacking today.
If we can make it to Wembley this season we will have to take it, Leicester fans came away feeling the same thing which says it all.
How Taylor gets so many minutes is beyond me, but when Matusiwa is having an off day, you’re always going to struggle. Freak goals apiece and we still lose by two, because with or without subs we have little cohesion, partnerships or fight.
Kipre came over on his own to clap the dwindling away end at the finish, then the manager who looked like he was as lost as whatever the gameplan was today. Can’t blame Leicester for taking their chances, but you can blame us for making very little.
This was the perfect opportunity to stabilise, even push for a win, instead we collapse again. Whatever is going on behind the scenes, we keep fluffing our lines. |  |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:43 - Dec 14 with 608 views | ArnieM |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 18:19 - Dec 13 by Mullet |
But he’s come into games and looked good more often than not in this period. It’s not that Taylor is especially poor, although he, Nunez and Clarke were today far too often.
Jens, Akpom, Szmodics are not poor players but they are part of a cohort of players in this squad we can’t seem to find a consistent return from. So just saying x is sh1te doesn’t really help. |
Its about the summer of the parts.
McKenna inherited Cooks squad. Those players worked well together as a " team". None of them expensive but they had qualities that worked together and won 2 promotions. Then they were unceremoniously dismantled and and data driven new squad of players with supposedly higher individual skills and qualities were assembled, twice, at great cost. But neither expensive, arguably " better" players ard being moulded into a "team".
The only thing we definitely can say about these two McKenna assembled squads, is that cost a fortune, do not function effectively as a " team" probably more to do eith how they are being used, and are not a patch on Cook's team |  |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:46 - Dec 14 with 586 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:41 - Dec 14 by BlueOura |
It is not reactionary nonsense. Yesterday was not a freak game, it was an abject performance where we barely laid a glove on a pretty average team, the performance got the result that it merited.
The performance was one of many similar across the season, especially away from home. Yes there have been some good ones as well but overall we are far to inconsistent to mount a top two challenge.
Good teams find a way, even when the performance is a little off. Look at arsenal yesterday, they were rubbish by their usual standards but still found a way to the 3 points.
If you think we are where we should be given the level of investment in both the team and the manager then you are very much misguided. [Post edited 14 Dec 9:44]
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I can be not satisfied with where we are ...but also not totally lose my sh!t about it.
Yes, yesterday was a freak. Two incredible goals, the second you won't see again this season. They obviously changed the game - in fact I'd say we were the better team before the first flew in against the run of play. Leicester had done nothing up to that point. |  |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:48 - Dec 14 with 583 views | Herbivore |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:43 - Dec 14 by ArnieM |
Its about the summer of the parts.
McKenna inherited Cooks squad. Those players worked well together as a " team". None of them expensive but they had qualities that worked together and won 2 promotions. Then they were unceremoniously dismantled and and data driven new squad of players with supposedly higher individual skills and qualities were assembled, twice, at great cost. But neither expensive, arguably " better" players ard being moulded into a "team".
The only thing we definitely can say about these two McKenna assembled squads, is that cost a fortune, do not function effectively as a " team" probably more to do eith how they are being used, and are not a patch on Cook's team |
The players McKenna inherited were anything but a team. And they didn't become genuinely effective until McKenna had not only got some proper coaching into them but also added quality in key areas. The likes of Davis, Broadhead, Luongo, Clarke, Hirst, and even Harness, Ladapo and the like all played an important role in our success under McKenna. Players like Woolf and Jackson who were out in the cold under Cook also played crucial roles for us under McKenna. Let's not rewrite history because the present isn't going how we'd like it too. |  |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:56 - Dec 14 with 560 views | Funge |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:46 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I can be not satisfied with where we are ...but also not totally lose my sh!t about it.
Yes, yesterday was a freak. Two incredible goals, the second you won't see again this season. They obviously changed the game - in fact I'd say we were the better team before the first flew in against the run of play. Leicester had done nothing up to that point. |
Again, he's not 'losing his sh1t', is he?
Nothing freakish about yesterday - the opposition score first and, once again, win. It's a big problem and, frankly, one that we don't appear to have answers for.
We have a collection of very expensive, very well paid players, along with an extremely expensive manager - it is not unreasonable to expect a lot more.
Moving on slightly, let's imagine that this team goes up this season - every single position needs an improvement, every single one. Who in this squad is Prem quality? Matu has shown glimpses, Egeli has plenty of potential, at a push - and that's it.
Would you trust Ashton with another £150/ £200m? I sure as hell wouldn't. |  | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:57 - Dec 14 with 547 views | BlueOura |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:46 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I can be not satisfied with where we are ...but also not totally lose my sh!t about it.
Yes, yesterday was a freak. Two incredible goals, the second you won't see again this season. They obviously changed the game - in fact I'd say we were the better team before the first flew in against the run of play. Leicester had done nothing up to that point. |
I'm not losing my sh!t about it, but i'm also not going to delude myself that everything is rosy in the garden when it clearly isn't.
We will have to agree to disagree about yesterday. I thought it was a very poor performance and didn't think we were the better team at any stage. 2 shots on target ( one of which was an early Christmas gift ) tell's its own tale. [Post edited 14 Dec 10:54]
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 10:00 - Dec 14 with 538 views | ITFCSG |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:56 - Dec 14 by Funge |
Again, he's not 'losing his sh1t', is he?
Nothing freakish about yesterday - the opposition score first and, once again, win. It's a big problem and, frankly, one that we don't appear to have answers for.
We have a collection of very expensive, very well paid players, along with an extremely expensive manager - it is not unreasonable to expect a lot more.
Moving on slightly, let's imagine that this team goes up this season - every single position needs an improvement, every single one. Who in this squad is Prem quality? Matu has shown glimpses, Egeli has plenty of potential, at a push - and that's it.
Would you trust Ashton with another £150/ £200m? I sure as hell wouldn't. |
As I said in another post - Ashton seems more interested in being developing and promoting PR as some mega event destination and rubbing shoulders with celebrities than focusing on his main job - football. Priorities all wrong. |  | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 10:00 - Dec 14 with 535 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:56 - Dec 14 by Funge |
Again, he's not 'losing his sh1t', is he?
Nothing freakish about yesterday - the opposition score first and, once again, win. It's a big problem and, frankly, one that we don't appear to have answers for.
We have a collection of very expensive, very well paid players, along with an extremely expensive manager - it is not unreasonable to expect a lot more.
Moving on slightly, let's imagine that this team goes up this season - every single position needs an improvement, every single one. Who in this squad is Prem quality? Matu has shown glimpses, Egeli has plenty of potential, at a push - and that's it.
Would you trust Ashton with another £150/ £200m? I sure as hell wouldn't. |
The goals were freakish and they (as goals often do) changed the course of the game.
Yes, we do have a problem coming from behind. That needs to be addressed.
I'm not even going to think about the Prem, I'll worry about that if/when we get there. But at least we'll have a better recruitment network by then. | |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 10:00 - Dec 14 with 535 views | naa |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 17:53 - Dec 13 by Kieran_Knows |
Taylor gets so many minutes because Cajuste has been a joke this season. Absolutely honking from him and all that fanfare over him in the summer, powderpuff. Even the Saudi’s didn’t want him, that should’ve been the red flag for us.
Send him back in January and get a proper centre mid in there. We went from Hackney to him. Joke. |
Have to say, I never thought Cajuste was as amazing as some and I never thought he fit into our system. However, he's been even worse than I expected, as I thought he'd look good against championship teams. | | | |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 10:09 - Dec 14 with 504 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:57 - Dec 14 by BlueOura |
I'm not losing my sh!t about it, but i'm also not going to delude myself that everything is rosy in the garden when it clearly isn't.
We will have to agree to disagree about yesterday. I thought it was a very poor performance and didn't think we were the better team at any stage. 2 shots on target ( one of which was an early Christmas gift ) tell's its own tale. [Post edited 14 Dec 10:54]
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Straw man: I haven't said everything's rosy.
"McKenna is on borrowed time for me, and if the owners are truly ambitious then he will be with them as well."
"the recruitment has been frankly terrible."
"I watched some of the scum game yesterday... they played with a real spirit and aggression"
"We look like a team that think they are better than they are."
"It is a right sh!t show to be honest"
"Win against Sheffield Wednesday... and half the board will be fooled into thinking everything is rosy, until we lose at Millwall and it isn't again."
Yeah, I'd say you've lost your sh!t. | |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 10:10 - Dec 14 with 502 views | Mercian |
Taylor was poor yesterday but generally has been good this season. Cajuste is a good player but is primarily a number 8 which is a position we do not play. Cam Humphreys also does not fit into our system and gets very little playtime. |  | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 10:58 - Dec 14 with 446 views | farkenhell |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 10:00 - Dec 14 by ITFCSG |
As I said in another post - Ashton seems more interested in being developing and promoting PR as some mega event destination and rubbing shoulders with celebrities than focusing on his main job - football. Priorities all wrong. |
I'm sorry, but that is complete nonsense. Of course his main focus will be on the football, and the first team at that, but what did you expect him to do yesterday? Lace up his boots and join the team on the pitch? | | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:04 - Dec 14 with 432 views | Mullet |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:56 - Dec 14 by Funge |
Again, he's not 'losing his sh1t', is he?
Nothing freakish about yesterday - the opposition score first and, once again, win. It's a big problem and, frankly, one that we don't appear to have answers for.
We have a collection of very expensive, very well paid players, along with an extremely expensive manager - it is not unreasonable to expect a lot more.
Moving on slightly, let's imagine that this team goes up this season - every single position needs an improvement, every single one. Who in this squad is Prem quality? Matu has shown glimpses, Egeli has plenty of potential, at a push - and that's it.
Would you trust Ashton with another £150/ £200m? I sure as hell wouldn't. |
I do think it’s forgotten that plenty of clubs would have turned on McKenna by now as well as Ashton, so when you try and be realistic about now, the delusional thumbfarmers shout down everyone regardless.
The idea that tomorrow was in isolation etc is just as patronising as it is delusional. We are all but closing ourselves out of automatic promotion at this rate and it’s not even 2026. If it was March and looking like this, fair enough stuff must have happened but this is about as disappointing as this season could have gone.
We are riven with injuries, suspensions and bad luck to at least take the edge off the banality of it. | |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:08 - Dec 14 with 425 views | BlueOura |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 10:09 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Straw man: I haven't said everything's rosy.
"McKenna is on borrowed time for me, and if the owners are truly ambitious then he will be with them as well."
"the recruitment has been frankly terrible."
"I watched some of the scum game yesterday... they played with a real spirit and aggression"
"We look like a team that think they are better than they are."
"It is a right sh!t show to be honest"
"Win against Sheffield Wednesday... and half the board will be fooled into thinking everything is rosy, until we lose at Millwall and it isn't again."
Yeah, I'd say you've lost your sh!t. |
I stand by every word. It's my opinion. I am disappointed with where we are at in comparison to where we should be as a relegated team with one of the best paid and highly rated managers in the country at the helm. Being disappointed and unhappy does not mean I am 'losing my sh!t' I just say it as I see it, sorry if that upsets you.
Rather than cheap throw away comments and down votes, please feel free to put your counter case across for why you think I am wrong , or rather why you are not unhappy with the current state of play.
Nb. - And as for the straw man claim. Let's just take a look at the definition.
"the logical fallacy of distorting an opposing position into an extreme version of itself and then arguing against that extreme version"
I'd say that is exactly what you are doing to me! [Post edited 14 Dec 11:32]
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:14 - Dec 14 with 408 views | PhilTWTD |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:19 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor |
Conceding first seems to be a game deciding event for us.
Building on that stat Sky shared during the Oxford game, that's now 33 games that we've failed to win after conceding first, and I think it is 25 of those that ended as a defeat.
Is that about tactics, or mental toughness? Either way it is miles from being acceptable. |
I think that's probably true there or thereabouts of most matches in the Championship, certainly those involving a fancied side and a less fancied side. The first goal is so important, which is why it's frustrating we've given away soft ones like the first against Oxford too many times.
This isn't a new thing, was the case when George was manager in this division and the likes of Tranmere used to put everyone behind the ball against us every week. Get one goal and we'd win comfortably, concede one and it was going to be a long afternoon. Same in League One against Cheltenham etc. We got better at dealing with those situations after the January transfer window in the promotion season and we're in essentially the same situation now. |  | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:20 - Dec 14 with 400 views | Dubtractor |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:14 - Dec 14 by PhilTWTD |
I think that's probably true there or thereabouts of most matches in the Championship, certainly those involving a fancied side and a less fancied side. The first goal is so important, which is why it's frustrating we've given away soft ones like the first against Oxford too many times.
This isn't a new thing, was the case when George was manager in this division and the likes of Tranmere used to put everyone behind the ball against us every week. Get one goal and we'd win comfortably, concede one and it was going to be a long afternoon. Same in League One against Cheltenham etc. We got better at dealing with those situations after the January transfer window in the promotion season and we're in essentially the same situation now. |
Definitely agree with the general point that getting the first goal is critical (see my post below), but to be so definitive when going against us is mad. You'd think we'd at least turn an occasional game around.
The importance of scoring the first goal by Dubtractor 6 Dec 19:44Time and again this season we see the team who score first able to control the game, and it was very much the case again today.
Fairly even first half, not much in it, very little goalmouth action, and a nervous crowd. Game could go either way at that point.
But the goal before half time meant that Coventry had to take more risks, with a higher defensive line, and space behind them in various areas. Lo and behold we start playing the football we all want to see from us, and looked dangerous on the transition time after time.
That was a really good defensive performance from us too, limiting a free scoring team to shots from outside the box and set pieces really.
We need to follow it with more of the same though.
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:21 - Dec 14 with 396 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:04 - Dec 14 by Mullet |
I do think it’s forgotten that plenty of clubs would have turned on McKenna by now as well as Ashton, so when you try and be realistic about now, the delusional thumbfarmers shout down everyone regardless.
The idea that tomorrow was in isolation etc is just as patronising as it is delusional. We are all but closing ourselves out of automatic promotion at this rate and it’s not even 2026. If it was March and looking like this, fair enough stuff must have happened but this is about as disappointing as this season could have gone.
We are riven with injuries, suspensions and bad luck to at least take the edge off the banality of it. |
Never had you down as a time traveller Mullet! |  |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:24 - Dec 14 with 393 views | Funge |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:04 - Dec 14 by Mullet |
I do think it’s forgotten that plenty of clubs would have turned on McKenna by now as well as Ashton, so when you try and be realistic about now, the delusional thumbfarmers shout down everyone regardless.
The idea that tomorrow was in isolation etc is just as patronising as it is delusional. We are all but closing ourselves out of automatic promotion at this rate and it’s not even 2026. If it was March and looking like this, fair enough stuff must have happened but this is about as disappointing as this season could have gone.
We are riven with injuries, suspensions and bad luck to at least take the edge off the banality of it. |
'I do think it’s forgotten that plenty of clubs would have turned on McKenna by now as well as Ashton, so when you try and be realistic about now, the delusional thumbfarmers shout down everyone regardless.'
Honestly, I think almost any other club would have made a change by now - those vile specimens up the 140 binned the previously very highly regarded Manning off after what, 15 games?
What McK did two seasons ago was remarkable, and he was, accordingly, very handsomely rewarded.
What he, and we as a club, have subsequently achieved since FT at the Huddersfield game is, by all accounts, pretty underwhelming. A win against a shambolic Spurs, a very enjoyable night against the Chelsea billionaires, and finally shutting those Norfolk dickheads up - that's pretty much it, for 18 months, isn't it?
I'm not clamouring for McK to go - like all of us, the feeling I have for him from 2 years ago endures - but, my god, his stock has never been lower.
I don't know if he can recapture what he had - honestly, I don't think he can. | | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:32 - Dec 14 with 377 views | Benters |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:56 - Dec 14 by Funge |
Again, he's not 'losing his sh1t', is he?
Nothing freakish about yesterday - the opposition score first and, once again, win. It's a big problem and, frankly, one that we don't appear to have answers for.
We have a collection of very expensive, very well paid players, along with an extremely expensive manager - it is not unreasonable to expect a lot more.
Moving on slightly, let's imagine that this team goes up this season - every single position needs an improvement, every single one. Who in this squad is Prem quality? Matu has shown glimpses, Egeli has plenty of potential, at a push - and that's it.
Would you trust Ashton with another £150/ £200m? I sure as hell wouldn't. |
You talk a lot of sense buh. |  |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:48 - Dec 14 with 356 views | PhilTWTD |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:20 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor |
Definitely agree with the general point that getting the first goal is critical (see my post below), but to be so definitive when going against us is mad. You'd think we'd at least turn an occasional game around.
The importance of scoring the first goal by Dubtractor 6 Dec 19:44Time and again this season we see the team who score first able to control the game, and it was very much the case again today.
Fairly even first half, not much in it, very little goalmouth action, and a nervous crowd. Game could go either way at that point.
But the goal before half time meant that Coventry had to take more risks, with a higher defensive line, and space behind them in various areas. Lo and behold we start playing the football we all want to see from us, and looked dangerous on the transition time after time.
That was a really good defensive performance from us too, limiting a free scoring team to shots from outside the box and set pieces really.
We need to follow it with more of the same though.
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Indeed, it's something we need to get over. I think it's one of those things which grows. The team two years ago would go behind and there'd be little panic - either from the players or fans - as they'd come from behind so regularly. The current team need to do it a couple of times for it to feel more a matter of course.
Was interesting what Kieran said after Oxford, which was something he said after earlier games, that the players seemed to force the issue at 1-1 rather than keeping to the plan, leading to Oxford's second goal. A bit different yesterday given the nature of the goals, but at 1-0 the performance drifted until the spell just before the second goal when we were getting up a head of steam and had begun to create opportunities. | | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 13:04 - Dec 14 with 306 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 11:08 - Dec 14 by BlueOura |
I stand by every word. It's my opinion. I am disappointed with where we are at in comparison to where we should be as a relegated team with one of the best paid and highly rated managers in the country at the helm. Being disappointed and unhappy does not mean I am 'losing my sh!t' I just say it as I see it, sorry if that upsets you.
Rather than cheap throw away comments and down votes, please feel free to put your counter case across for why you think I am wrong , or rather why you are not unhappy with the current state of play.
Nb. - And as for the straw man claim. Let's just take a look at the definition.
"the logical fallacy of distorting an opposing position into an extreme version of itself and then arguing against that extreme version"
I'd say that is exactly what you are doing to me! [Post edited 14 Dec 11:32]
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No. You said I'm saying everything's rosy when I have said no such thing. That's a straw man.
Equating all those quotes of yours I listed to simply "Being disappointed and unhappy" is another straw man. I have no problem with people simply being disappointed and unhappy. I am too. But you are displaying something way more.
You may have looked up the definition but you don't seem to have understood it. You are making up what I've said - I have literally quoted what you've said.
You saying what you see doesn't upset me, I've merely stated it's losing your sh!t - and I've quoted the evidence. If saying you want the manager out and praising Norwich isn't losing your sh!t I don't know what is.
And again, you've added another straw man - "please feel free to put... why you are not unhappy with the current state of play." STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH. I've not said I'm not unhappy. I've stated there are things that can be improved, I'm just not calling for the manager's head or praising Norwich in the process (i.e. losing my sh!t). | |
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| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 13:08 - Dec 14 with 302 views | olimar |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 22:46 - Dec 13 by ringwoodblue |
I can’t see any team gaining promotion with a striker that only scores 10-12 goals which is what Hirst is on track to score this season.
We can’t keep relying on Philogene wonder strikes and Nunez free-kicks.
We desperately need a striker in Jan, a proper target man but they won’t be easy to find. |
Except for the Ipswich team that got promotion in 23/24 with top scorers on 13.
Its not his goalscoring that will be the problem, its that we dont play to his strengths currently. So either we change system or we change player. | | | |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 13:10 - Dec 14 with 295 views | ITFCSG |
| Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 10:58 - Dec 14 by farkenhell |
I'm sorry, but that is complete nonsense. Of course his main focus will be on the football, and the first team at that, but what did you expect him to do yesterday? Lace up his boots and join the team on the pitch? |
Arguing for the sake of arguing.
You tell me he’s faultless for the shambolic recruitment over the past few windows after talking big each time?
F me if I was one of highest paid employees and promise my boss that I will perform and benefit the firm yet vanish every few weeks or so; and bother more about the firms decor and socialising with clients than my actual job would I be fired, no? | | | |
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