| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. 13:54 - Jan 3 with 8185 views | jasondozzell |
I do not blame him. |  | | |  |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:23 - Jan 3 with 1168 views | algy |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 14:12 - Jan 3 by _CliveBaker_ |
It was dire, it has been at home all season. |
Perhaps there was a hangover from last season, record 9 consecutive home defeats witnessing almost 3000 away fans having a great day out every game, didn't help. It will take time for the atmosphere to recover. |  |
| Never forget that in April 2021, for ITFC, the Game Changed. |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:26 - Jan 3 with 1152 views | FrimleyBlue |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:07 - Jan 3 by Dubtractor |
"Mixed in that
0-3 charlton
1-0 stoke
0-0 wrexham
2 2 derby
1 1 southampton
2 1 pompy
Only one loss in there so it's not a gripe on the actual result but some nervy home results for a side where that trust isn't built into it yet. Esp as we both mention that missing big chances created."
This is moon on a stick stuff though. You're listing a load of games with 1 (one) defeat in it, and ignoring all the other more impressive wins, to try and make a point. We're not going to smash teams every week at home, and if that is what more people are expecting, then its actually pretty depressing. |
I didnt ignore them i mentioned them.
My point was that our pre prem season games had a vastly different feel to them compared to this seasons.
We had an attitude of you score first we will score 2. You didnt start games as a fan nervous to concede the first goal... or nervous if a side equalised later on there was that trust that town would push on.
But you are also correct in your final paragraph. Yes there will be expectation of smashing teams. But thats actually quite nornal. Probably wrong but nornal and not something only thought of by town fans.
But imo and its fine for you to disagree. You go to games i dont so what do I know but for its its a mix of
Fan favourites lost. New players not loved yet
Trust not there yet to win games if we fall behind.. tight close games dont help with that
Trust not there yet that we will finish attacks.. its getting there
Alot of fans dont like the newer more careful approach to our game.. itll take time
Some football fans do expect 4-0 wins every week
Some fans attending are football fans not town supporters and are there for booze. Friends and giggles. And find it funny to shout aggressive things.
Blue action are definitely in the wrong place
The PR man ruins it with his come on the town bullux before the game
Its winter its cold
Its no longer a dream to get back to prem its a requirement
A very small minority will be bored of KM. Not many managers nowadays go into their 5th season with the same club
What can change that... apart from the potential changes the club could make with blue action and the PR guy. The others is basically time. Or can never be helped. |  |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:28 - Jan 3 with 1156 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 14:58 - Jan 3 by Illinoisblue |
Two general points to consider:
1. How many grounds are actually loud on a consistent basis? Leeds. Pompey. And….? Anyone else? The games I watch - EFL and prem - are usually quiet.
2. Fans being quiet is perhaps the end product of all-seater stadiums, fans being treated as consumers, fans being asked to donate to food banks, visit Rwanda, snitch on fans who are swearing, be searched going into the ground, be filmed by police, threatened by stewards. Etc. Maybe fans are too exhausted to sing.
Also, not so long ago, footy was few pints with your mates, enjoy the game and that was it. It was something but not everything. Now people tweet during the game, drone on about xG, every kick and shot analysed to death, every post match interview dissected and read into. It’s become too much. |
Leeds, Pompey, Sunderland, Villa, Brum, Cov and some others. Some clubs are terribly run and have been toxic and success starved for a while, so we should’ve be much better.
The loudest I’ve heard the West Stand collectively was the get off the pitch chant the other year! |  |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:31 - Jan 3 with 1120 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 14:33 - Jan 3 by FrimleyBlue |
Indeed
He spoke of the oxford low block and the slowness of the game. You cant then imo expect a massive atmosphere.
We're also a different animal this season
Ignoring the prem season weve spent alot of time under KM being a goal down and then winning the game.. that breeds atmosphere. Shots on target. Attack attack attack. Fast wing play etc. Think this season we're one of the worst for getting results when losing but also against that we arent conceding the first goal that often esp at home.
But also the teams coming to PR are sitting back. Every game at home looks like a training game. 70% possession us trying to break down a low block. But slowly. There's nothing happening on the pitch enough to bring on that atmosphere.
I shared a clip the other day.. Furlong assists akpom... as furlong passes.. barely anyone in the sir alf stand was standing..... that for me is an expectation of nothing coming from an attack... thats the issue imo. Weve come from trusting attacks lead to goals to oh wow it actually did work this time.. |
Since the last transfer window closed, we're wining the majority of the games we play.
We have a good home record (let's be honest, even Charlton was just 12 minutes of madness - how we weren't out of sight in that game before they scored, I still can't comprehend).
We're 2nd in the division.
We're on track for promotion, and in with a shout of Champions.
The team is doing what is expected, now it's about time many of the 'supporters' stepped up, and showed the team the appreciation they deserved. Anything else are excuses for a poor atmosphere. There needs to be a bit more dedication from the supporters at Portman Road. It was fricking freezing on NYD - I removed my gloves to applaud, just to try and make a difference.
It's easy to make excuses, harder to make a difference. | | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:32 - Jan 3 with 1120 views | PioneerBlue |
Most weeks this season the atmos has been disappointing to say the least. I dont remember exactly but it seemed better earlier and against Nodge. Steadily worse despite improving league position. Its about time the whole crowd got up for it and supported vocally again. There are going to be really difficult games we need to win in the weeks ahead.
It does feel after the over exuberance of starting the season on the back of dreadful form at home last season both players and fans forgot its both an entertainment business and one where passion and emotion from the stands or at least positive vocal support offers the players a real lift at times of need. | |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:34 - Jan 3 with 1105 views | urbanpenguin |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 14:58 - Jan 3 by Illinoisblue |
Two general points to consider:
1. How many grounds are actually loud on a consistent basis? Leeds. Pompey. And….? Anyone else? The games I watch - EFL and prem - are usually quiet.
2. Fans being quiet is perhaps the end product of all-seater stadiums, fans being treated as consumers, fans being asked to donate to food banks, visit Rwanda, snitch on fans who are swearing, be searched going into the ground, be filmed by police, threatened by stewards. Etc. Maybe fans are too exhausted to sing.
Also, not so long ago, footy was few pints with your mates, enjoy the game and that was it. It was something but not everything. Now people tweet during the game, drone on about xG, every kick and shot analysed to death, every post match interview dissected and read into. It’s become too much. |
"Fans being quiet is perhaps the end product of ... fans being asked to donate to food banks"
What? |  | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:40 - Jan 3 with 1060 views | waveneyblue |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 14:47 - Jan 3 by Dubtractor |
"But also the teams coming to PR are sitting back. Every game at home looks like a training game. 70% possession us trying to break down a low block. But slowly. There's nothing happening on the pitch enough to bring on that atmosphere."
That's nonsense, to be honest.
We've won 8, drawn 4, and lost just 1 game at home. Scored 24 goals (only Coventry have more, with 27). The stat about big chances created is shared repeatedly on here.
What do people want to see?
And FFS stop trying to explain the atmosphere away in a stadium that you're not in! You can't possibly appreciate how sterile the atmosphere is vs the football being provided when you're not there. JoeJoeJoeyJunior supports that with his comment above - you don't appreciate how bad it is until you are in the middle of it. |
I was about to type something similar, but then I thought whats the point as he blocked me, so wouldnt read it.
For the changed man he is, he doesn't half still post some utter tripe. |  | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:41 - Jan 3 with 1059 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:28 - Jan 3 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Leeds, Pompey, Sunderland, Villa, Brum, Cov and some others. Some clubs are terribly run and have been toxic and success starved for a while, so we should’ve be much better.
The loudest I’ve heard the West Stand collectively was the get off the pitch chant the other year! |
The West stand?
I don't believe I have EVER heard consistent vociferous support from the West stand. Not enough leadership from the Directors' box - they never start a chant. |  |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:53 - Jan 3 with 995 views | Illinoisblue |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:34 - Jan 3 by urbanpenguin |
"Fans being quiet is perhaps the end product of ... fans being asked to donate to food banks"
What? |
Congratulations on that being your single take. 👏 |  |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 16:01 - Jan 3 with 946 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:26 - Jan 3 by FrimleyBlue |
I didnt ignore them i mentioned them.
My point was that our pre prem season games had a vastly different feel to them compared to this seasons.
We had an attitude of you score first we will score 2. You didnt start games as a fan nervous to concede the first goal... or nervous if a side equalised later on there was that trust that town would push on.
But you are also correct in your final paragraph. Yes there will be expectation of smashing teams. But thats actually quite nornal. Probably wrong but nornal and not something only thought of by town fans.
But imo and its fine for you to disagree. You go to games i dont so what do I know but for its its a mix of
Fan favourites lost. New players not loved yet
Trust not there yet to win games if we fall behind.. tight close games dont help with that
Trust not there yet that we will finish attacks.. its getting there
Alot of fans dont like the newer more careful approach to our game.. itll take time
Some football fans do expect 4-0 wins every week
Some fans attending are football fans not town supporters and are there for booze. Friends and giggles. And find it funny to shout aggressive things.
Blue action are definitely in the wrong place
The PR man ruins it with his come on the town bullux before the game
Its winter its cold
Its no longer a dream to get back to prem its a requirement
A very small minority will be bored of KM. Not many managers nowadays go into their 5th season with the same club
What can change that... apart from the potential changes the club could make with blue action and the PR guy. The others is basically time. Or can never be helped. |
That might hold a little bit more weight if you hadn't whinged and moaned your way through the league 1 and championship promotion seasons too.
You can't use those years misty-eyed as a way to bash Mckenna and the team this season when you were insufferable throughout those earlier periods.
Edit - to clarify, this isn't just to you. The likes of Pointofblue, blue heath, Dublin, itfc84 have all used us not being like the team of a couple of years to moan this year, having spent all of that time also being equally negative and undermining the team/KM. |  | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 16:08 - Jan 3 with 920 views | FrimleyBlue |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 16:01 - Jan 3 by DropCliffsNotBombs |
That might hold a little bit more weight if you hadn't whinged and moaned your way through the league 1 and championship promotion seasons too.
You can't use those years misty-eyed as a way to bash Mckenna and the team this season when you were insufferable throughout those earlier periods.
Edit - to clarify, this isn't just to you. The likes of Pointofblue, blue heath, Dublin, itfc84 have all used us not being like the team of a couple of years to moan this year, having spent all of that time also being equally negative and undermining the team/KM. |
Im a moany fker who moans about football. I emotionally type. Emotionally view football my way. Wrong clearly. But always the way. Nothing will change it. That's in me. Ill own it. I think ive managed it better on here. Ive also not bashed mckenna this season anyway and apart from some disappointments along the way the season has gone how I predicted in July where we got going from November. Some minor bumps. But ite looking good.
But this isn't about me and my posts on twtd and not really sure what the need to to back is for.
My views historically doesn't mean I don't know how others felt. I do have town support friends thanks lol. But also thinking about. Im certainly not alone in being an emotional football fan. There will be thousands at PR so perhaps thats why I understand those maybe differently to those who arent and can offer a view about atmosphere thats not generated just because the majority of results at home this season have been good.
Either way
Good times at PR atmosphere wise will return.
Its interesting really as there was something online the other week talking about the lack of atmospheres in football in general. Over the past few years. Ill see if I can find it again [Post edited 3 Jan 16:16]
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 16:13 - Jan 3 with 896 views | urbanpenguin |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:53 - Jan 3 by Illinoisblue |
Congratulations on that being your single take. 👏 |
This doesn't answer my question. What a weird thing to write, that a sense of solidarity with local people struggling at the moment is somehow connected to a quiet crowd. | | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 16:17 - Jan 3 with 878 views | victorysquad |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:41 - Jan 3 by You_Bloo_Right |
The West stand?
I don't believe I have EVER heard consistent vociferous support from the West stand. Not enough leadership from the Directors' box - they never start a chant. |
You obv not old enough to remember “westanders, la, la, la, westanders, la la la” | |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 16:27 - Jan 3 with 842 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
Don't blame him either - what did he say as not seen any comments from KMc about the atmosphere? | | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 16:35 - Jan 3 with 804 views | stonojnr |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:01 - Jan 3 by Benters |
The ‘atmosphere’ was ok over in that corner then. |
tbh they only got animated for a bit after they scored, they were quiet 2nd half too. | | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 16:44 - Jan 3 with 773 views | Swansea_Blue |
KM’s been spoilt by 22/23 and 23/24. We’ve always been reserved, but there was something about that long-awaited upturn after years of abject mediocrity that caused a bit of a frenzy. We’re just back now to where we’ve been for most of my decades supporting Town. There have been times like 23/24 over the years, but they never last long. |  |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 16:50 - Jan 3 with 755 views | Illinoisblue |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 16:13 - Jan 3 by urbanpenguin |
This doesn't answer my question. What a weird thing to write, that a sense of solidarity with local people struggling at the moment is somehow connected to a quiet crowd. |
It was one point in a broader look at how fan culture and football’s role in society has changed. Sorry that wasn’t clearer. | |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 16:58 - Jan 3 with 709 views | stonojnr |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 14:39 - Jan 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Isn’t that football in general, easier to get the crowd going for a 97th min winner against a promotion rival and much more fancied team than a grind against Oxford.
Thought it was no better or worse than other home games this season. It’s notably more tense than our previous Championship season because if we concede first we aren’t winning. In tha season everyone believed we’d come back even if we went behind twice in a game. It’s tense this season, the expectation is high (rightly so), and memories of Derby and Charlton at home are still fresh in the mind.
Edit - FWIW we are much more secure at the back that earlier in the season which helps. [Post edited 3 Jan 14:39]
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maybe the screeching volume of the tannoy deafens half the fans, it screws my tinnitus up something awful with that high pitch version of fat boy slim pre match. this 1million investment better not be just paint 11 on the volume knob.
and yet opposite end of the ground I could still hear the north lower singing quite clearly, different sections seemed to be having a competition to who could sing the most out of step sometimes, but they were singing.
the west stand spent most the game constantly applauding Burns when ever he warmed up.
block A were banging their drum and singing alot.
weirdly I cant hear much from the south, but Im told lower were going at it at times, there were pockets upstairs too. Nunez was lionised everytime he took a corner.
I mean the irony was Oxford sang the we forgot you were here song only when a couple of groups started joining in the singing in Sir Alf, which was after at least a 5min continous version of Allez Allez Allez from A block/North, in a period of play where not alot was happening, but they were trying to create atmosphere.
but yeah you can hear from the reactions from alot of fans in stands, or post match, they still arent on board with the whole way we play (have to in many cases) against teams like Oxford because of the way they setup to nullify us and so we have to be more patient and slow things down, and pick the moment
I dunno maybe we should start an Ole chant every time we play keepsie ball at the back.
but the irony will be the atmosphere will get worse the more the football tourists ratio increases | | | |
| Where did he say this JD? (n/t) on 17:05 - Jan 3 with 691 views | unstableblue |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 17:05 - Jan 3 with 691 views | BouncebackIpswich |
To preface this I don't get to the vast majority of games and not been this season yet. So I'm out of touch. But, really don't know what I think about KM making regular digs at the fans.
On the one hand, he's done miracles at this club and is entitled to expect some enthusiasm, as well as patience towards the style of play which has been insanely successful. There is no doubt that a positive supportive atmosphere will spur the players on and encourage them and make KM and the teams job easier. The best teams always have the fans behind them. Mckenna calling out the poor atmosphere may shame some into being more active supporters.
On the other you have to take the good with the bad. There are certain other clubs with more loud/passionate fanbases who yes create good home atmospheres but who are also a lot less accepting of poor runs like last year. For instance, if he was at Leeds and performed like last season, I'd have been surprised it he made it through the year without a large section of fans booing and calling for him to go plus all the social media abuse etc. which then may force the clubs hand into making a decision. Look at the pressure Farke has been under this year and lots of them wanted him gone despite getting 99 points in 23/24.
A difficult one for sure. Hopefully it will be a case of the performances spurring on the fans who will also spur on the players. An un-vicious circle so to speak. |  | | |
| Where did he say this JD? (n/t) on 17:07 - Jan 3 with 683 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Where did he say this JD? (n/t) on 17:05 - Jan 3 by unstableblue |
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It was in his pre match comments for Pompey. It's quoted earlier in the thread, under the OP by Illinois blue.
Paraphrasing it will be a loud and hostile atmosphere at Fratton Park, unlike what it was at PR Vs Oxford. [Post edited 3 Jan 17:09]
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| Someone needs to tell him.... on 17:07 - Jan 3 with 677 views | Mullet |
| Someone needs to tell him.... on 14:17 - Jan 3 by Bloots |
....that everyone is singing non-stop and it's just bad acoustics.
I thought everyone knew that. |
Easier just to slag off fans |  |
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| He doesn't have regular digs at fans though? on 17:09 - Jan 3 with 672 views | unstableblue |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 17:05 - Jan 3 by BouncebackIpswich |
To preface this I don't get to the vast majority of games and not been this season yet. So I'm out of touch. But, really don't know what I think about KM making regular digs at the fans.
On the one hand, he's done miracles at this club and is entitled to expect some enthusiasm, as well as patience towards the style of play which has been insanely successful. There is no doubt that a positive supportive atmosphere will spur the players on and encourage them and make KM and the teams job easier. The best teams always have the fans behind them. Mckenna calling out the poor atmosphere may shame some into being more active supporters.
On the other you have to take the good with the bad. There are certain other clubs with more loud/passionate fanbases who yes create good home atmospheres but who are also a lot less accepting of poor runs like last year. For instance, if he was at Leeds and performed like last season, I'd have been surprised it he made it through the year without a large section of fans booing and calling for him to go plus all the social media abuse etc. which then may force the clubs hand into making a decision. Look at the pressure Farke has been under this year and lots of them wanted him gone despite getting 99 points in 23/24.
A difficult one for sure. Hopefully it will be a case of the performances spurring on the fans who will also spur on the players. An un-vicious circle so to speak. |
Or am missing somthing.
I'd say he praises home and away support at matches when its actually been poor.
Saturday was terrible given we'd played well for a large part of the game at the start, and the fans didn't respond. So the players had done their bit.
Hopefully McKenna can wake some up. | |
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| Thanks on 17:11 - Jan 3 with 660 views | unstableblue |
| Where did he say this JD? (n/t) on 17:07 - Jan 3 by BouncebackIpswich |
It was in his pre match comments for Pompey. It's quoted earlier in the thread, under the OP by Illinois blue.
Paraphrasing it will be a loud and hostile atmosphere at Fratton Park, unlike what it was at PR Vs Oxford. [Post edited 3 Jan 17:09]
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I think its a fair statement:
"Fratton Park’s a high energy stadium and an aggressive place for away teams to go. Today, it certainly wasn’t that in our stadium, so we’re going to have be ready to stand up there to the home crowd, to a team who play with a lot of energy, who run a lot, whose intensity is really good and we’re going to have to recover well." | |
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| Thanks on 17:21 - Jan 3 with 630 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
| Thanks on 17:11 - Jan 3 by unstableblue |
I think its a fair statement:
"Fratton Park’s a high energy stadium and an aggressive place for away teams to go. Today, it certainly wasn’t that in our stadium, so we’re going to have be ready to stand up there to the home crowd, to a team who play with a lot of energy, who run a lot, whose intensity is really good and we’re going to have to recover well." |
I'm sure KMc's big contract will play a part in any decision making, but I honestly think McKenna will walk in the summer whether we're promoted or not.
I think he's become frustrated at the lack of passion from the fans this season and has been critical on more than one occasion. | | | |
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