| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. 13:54 - Jan 3 with 7195 views | jasondozzell |
I do not blame him. |  | | |  |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 19:16 - Jan 3 with 1002 views | jasondozzell |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 18:58 - Jan 3 by ITFC_84 |
Just copy and paste into the fans forum of most clubs nowadays. Football has become sanitised. Blame money, blame foreign investment, blame ticket pricing, blame sky, blame social media, blame all of the above? |
The game has become too sanitised and Sky etc have had a terrible effect but I don't think either are the culprits for what's going on at PR.
The support that came back after success has become very entitled and ignorant. Half the crowd can't be bothered to stay to clap the players off after a win. That's just poor in my opinion. [Post edited 3 Jan 20:47]
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 19:55 - Jan 3 with 935 views | brogansnose |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 19:11 - Jan 3 by bazza |
That’s piss poor, agree 100%, I’m not sure an age restriction would be totally fair, but surely anyone over 55-60 should be willing to give their season tickets to the next generation, for The sake of the atmosphere Swap Season tickets. , along with non singers, the club could catch them on CCTV, 3 strikes and you get banished to the upper alf Ramsey . apologies to Anyone who is over 55 and still sings their heart Out. |
I moved from section 6 - I was there before section 6 was ever a thing - and migrated from there to the West after covid thinking it was time to let new blood in, even though, I made more noise than those around me. If you just want to stand in the lower North because you've been there for years or you just want to be in 'The Lower North' then do something or give way to those that do and tut elsewhere. |  | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 20:09 - Jan 3 with 893 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 19:55 - Jan 3 by brogansnose |
I moved from section 6 - I was there before section 6 was ever a thing - and migrated from there to the West after covid thinking it was time to let new blood in, even though, I made more noise than those around me. If you just want to stand in the lower North because you've been there for years or you just want to be in 'The Lower North' then do something or give way to those that do and tut elsewhere. |
But isn't part of the issue that the majority of the stadium expect the lower north and/or Cobbold A to lead (or perhaps even just generate the atmosphere)?
What about the other parts of the ground? If we are to emulate the likes of Leeds as some would wish then noise has to come from all parts of the ground doesn't it? |  |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 20:26 - Jan 3 with 855 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 18:36 - Jan 3 by Bluedandy |
No manager in the history of the club has received greater support from the fans than KM.
Since 2002-2003 onwards, our average attendances have smashed past anything enjoyed by either Sir Bobby or Sir Alf.
Our league form at home last season was about the worst in the club's history and yet we achieved our highest ever average attendance. [Post edited 3 Jan 18:37]
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a) crowd size is only one measure of support
b) football attendance is massively up in the past 40 years - it’s a different sport now; as a proportion of the sport as a whole, at FPR it’s not ahead of where it was back in SBR’s days.
It’s also a difficult comparison to make, since ground capacity has varied over the period.
Regardless of that, it’s even more damning that we’re so quiet, if the crowd is so much larger. |  | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 20:41 - Jan 3 with 826 views | jontysnut |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 14:58 - Jan 3 by Illinoisblue |
Two general points to consider:
1. How many grounds are actually loud on a consistent basis? Leeds. Pompey. And….? Anyone else? The games I watch - EFL and prem - are usually quiet.
2. Fans being quiet is perhaps the end product of all-seater stadiums, fans being treated as consumers, fans being asked to donate to food banks, visit Rwanda, snitch on fans who are swearing, be searched going into the ground, be filmed by police, threatened by stewards. Etc. Maybe fans are too exhausted to sing.
Also, not so long ago, footy was few pints with your mates, enjoy the game and that was it. It was something but not everything. Now people tweet during the game, drone on about xG, every kick and shot analysed to death, every post match interview dissected and read into. It’s become too much. |
The South Stand at Leeds is a lively old place right next to the away fans where everyone buys into the idea that you're in there so you get involved - that gets the rest of the ground going. |  | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 20:58 - Jan 3 with 790 views | bluelagos |
I'm sure the shiny new corporate lounges will solve the problem. |  |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 21:10 - Jan 3 with 763 views | Blue_Order |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 19:14 - Jan 3 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
I'm not sure what can be done.
Can't force people to generate an atmosphere, so unless Ashton allows Blue Action to relocate to SBR lower and moves the existing ST holders (which obvs won't happen) then we're at an impasse. |
The solution at this moment is that anybody that wants to sing should move into the designated singing section. That’s what it’s there for, after all. If it was filled with 500 singers rather than the 50 that it is right now, it would make a world of difference.
If you wanna sing, join the singers. Easy. |  | | |
| The atmposphere, along with the impatient and clueless groaning on 21:13 - Jan 3 with 738 views | Dyland |
is enervating beyond measure, and as I've bored folk on this board ad nauseam will be the straw that breaks this grumpy but supportive and vocal old camel's back into finally not renewing. |  |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 21:14 - Jan 3 with 743 views | SomethingBlue |
He's seemed a little cheesed off with it for some time; I did wonder on Thursday night if some of his pretty downbeat assessment post-match owed to the barely-interested vibes from the stands. I can understand that two seasons ago was the giddiest of dreams while promotion is, comparatively, simply hard business this time. But we are in the top two now, the club and community have possibilities open to them that simply haven't existed for decades if ever, and I really hope people allow themselves to have some fun over the next few months. It really shouldn't be difficult to do that. | |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 21:18 - Jan 3 with 721 views | brogansnose |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 20:09 - Jan 3 by You_Bloo_Right |
But isn't part of the issue that the majority of the stadium expect the lower north and/or Cobbold A to lead (or perhaps even just generate the atmosphere)?
What about the other parts of the ground? If we are to emulate the likes of Leeds as some would wish then noise has to come from all parts of the ground doesn't it? |
Yes,noise should come from around the ground but that's never really been the case and traditionally the hardcore of vocal support has been the North which has been the way since I was a kid in the late 60's early 70's and then everybody else followed. That doesn't happen anymore . | | | |
| Hmmm, no, mmm... on 21:19 - Jan 3 with 718 views | Dyland |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 21:14 - Jan 3 by SomethingBlue |
He's seemed a little cheesed off with it for some time; I did wonder on Thursday night if some of his pretty downbeat assessment post-match owed to the barely-interested vibes from the stands. I can understand that two seasons ago was the giddiest of dreams while promotion is, comparatively, simply hard business this time. But we are in the top two now, the club and community have possibilities open to them that simply haven't existed for decades if ever, and I really hope people allow themselves to have some fun over the next few months. It really shouldn't be difficult to do that. |
Booooo.
People are impatient and revert to childish embarrassing tantrums at the football as some kind of social release valve. We are total bellends, basically, those of us who act like this and those of us who tolerate it.
I kind of miss* punchups between fans when things were actually properly sh1te :)
*I don't! | |
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| Hmmm, no, mmm... on 21:24 - Jan 3 with 703 views | SomethingBlue |
| Hmmm, no, mmm... on 21:19 - Jan 3 by Dyland |
Booooo.
People are impatient and revert to childish embarrassing tantrums at the football as some kind of social release valve. We are total bellends, basically, those of us who act like this and those of us who tolerate it.
I kind of miss* punchups between fans when things were actually properly sh1te :)
*I don't! |
If we keep dishing it out to what looks like being a successful team and offering next to nothing in the way of atmosphere or positivity, I for one won't be surprised if our best manager in more than 40 years decides he's taken this thing as far as he can. Naturally it'll all be someone else's fault. | |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 21:48 - Jan 3 with 623 views | Blue_Moses |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 14:39 - Jan 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Isn’t that football in general, easier to get the crowd going for a 97th min winner against a promotion rival and much more fancied team than a grind against Oxford.
Thought it was no better or worse than other home games this season. It’s notably more tense than our previous Championship season because if we concede first we aren’t winning. In tha season everyone believed we’d come back even if we went behind twice in a game. It’s tense this season, the expectation is high (rightly so), and memories of Derby and Charlton at home are still fresh in the mind.
Edit - FWIW we are much more secure at the back that earlier in the season which helps. [Post edited 3 Jan 14:39]
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I think you are right, atmosphere at games has slowly been getting worse over a number of years (including the odd away game I go to these days compared to late 90s/early 2000s). We've probably picked up a lot of additional non singing fans over the past few seasons but there are people I sit near in the lower North that have been there for years and they just don't want to join in. Which is their perogative | | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 22:00 - Jan 3 with 593 views | Bluedandy |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 20:26 - Jan 3 by SuffolkPunchFC |
a) crowd size is only one measure of support
b) football attendance is massively up in the past 40 years - it’s a different sport now; as a proportion of the sport as a whole, at FPR it’s not ahead of where it was back in SBR’s days.
It’s also a difficult comparison to make, since ground capacity has varied over the period.
Regardless of that, it’s even more damning that we’re so quiet, if the crowd is so much larger. |
What? Crowd size is the measure of support.
Football is certainly not a different sport when it comes to crowds. The first Cup Final at Wembley drew an estimated crowd of 200,000.
Average crowds in 1948-49 season across the top four leagues were 22,000, today those same divisions combined don't get near that average number.
Not long ago, in the dying days of McCarthy we struggled to attract 16K, it was all very reminiscent of the post Robson 80s era. | | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 22:02 - Jan 3 with 596 views | pointofblue |
I'll ignore someone bringing me into a thread where I hadn't even posted, other than to say I am aware I tend to be emotionally negative! Thursday was more annoying than anything, only because we did well enough to win by a multiple margin, but football is football and it doesn't always work out that way.
Our issues with the stadium started with the renovation of the North Stand. The old stand acted as a speaker - the shape of the room projecting sound across the rest of the stand. Furthermore, the... quality... of the stand meant only the most battle-hardened were willing to sit there. Now, even 20+ years on, it's still got more a family vibe than it ever did before.
I also think we miss Rob Chandler. He knew exactly what to say and do to get the crowd going. There's no real build up getting the crowd involved before kick off, and we all drift off into our separate groups at half time, with nothing to focus on on the pitch. At least hit the crossbar maintained group interest and involvement.
Saying that, I agree with McKenna. The crowd was poor on Thursday. But Thursday was hardly a one off. You try to start a song in SBR Upper and you get stared at. Sometimes a chant may drift across from Blue Action, and others may join in for a chorus, but it's all very forced.
Get a better PA person, promote unity before the game and at half time (maybe a chant competition between the four stands before kick off or something), and perhaps consider the positioning of Blue Action. Every individual is responsible to create noise, but it feels like some help is required now - whether that's fair or not. | |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 22:21 - Jan 3 with 554 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 22:00 - Jan 3 by Bluedandy |
What? Crowd size is the measure of support.
Football is certainly not a different sport when it comes to crowds. The first Cup Final at Wembley drew an estimated crowd of 200,000.
Average crowds in 1948-49 season across the top four leagues were 22,000, today those same divisions combined don't get near that average number.
Not long ago, in the dying days of McCarthy we struggled to attract 16K, it was all very reminiscent of the post Robson 80s era. |
” What? Crowd size is the measure of support.”
Only one in the modern game. Anyone who thinks it’s the only measure doesn’t understand the modern game. And anyway, my point was about the noise that the crowd makes.
You’re also completely missing my point about the misguided comparison the post I responded to made to crowd size in the Robson era. Football crowds are over 100% higher than they were in the early 80s. Attendance is massively up on average compared to 40 years ago, so making comparisons with that era is ludicrous.
Your reference to the immediate post era is also inaccurate.
1947 : 32.253, 23.851, 8.336, 12.163
2025 : 40.401, 22.053, 10.097, 6.140
Only the 4th tier is down significantly on that era.
https://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/nav/attnengleague.htm | | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 00:36 - Jan 4 with 447 views | reusersfreekicks |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 15:26 - Jan 3 by FrimleyBlue |
I didnt ignore them i mentioned them.
My point was that our pre prem season games had a vastly different feel to them compared to this seasons.
We had an attitude of you score first we will score 2. You didnt start games as a fan nervous to concede the first goal... or nervous if a side equalised later on there was that trust that town would push on.
But you are also correct in your final paragraph. Yes there will be expectation of smashing teams. But thats actually quite nornal. Probably wrong but nornal and not something only thought of by town fans.
But imo and its fine for you to disagree. You go to games i dont so what do I know but for its its a mix of
Fan favourites lost. New players not loved yet
Trust not there yet to win games if we fall behind.. tight close games dont help with that
Trust not there yet that we will finish attacks.. its getting there
Alot of fans dont like the newer more careful approach to our game.. itll take time
Some football fans do expect 4-0 wins every week
Some fans attending are football fans not town supporters and are there for booze. Friends and giggles. And find it funny to shout aggressive things.
Blue action are definitely in the wrong place
The PR man ruins it with his come on the town bullux before the game
Its winter its cold
Its no longer a dream to get back to prem its a requirement
A very small minority will be bored of KM. Not many managers nowadays go into their 5th season with the same club
What can change that... apart from the potential changes the club could make with blue action and the PR guy. The others is basically time. Or can never be helped. |
Sorry but that's mostly wild supposition.
The rest is hogwash |  | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. (n/t) on 02:37 - Jan 4 with 376 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. (n/t) on 18:15 - Jan 3 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Yep, We'll live and die in these towns is a good anthem and with country roads before it they build the atmosphere much better than us. But it still goes flat quickly after that. |
Fair enough, I’ve never been to the new one but does seem more lively that our place. |  |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 07:02 - Jan 4 with 309 views | Benters |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 19:03 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
I'd say fewer than 10% of the fans around me in SBR lower actually sing. It's really poor. If you want to watch the game quietly, why have a ST in the north stand? |
The price I guess and people like to stand up? |  |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 07:10 - Jan 4 with 302 views | Benters |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 22:00 - Jan 3 by Bluedandy |
What? Crowd size is the measure of support.
Football is certainly not a different sport when it comes to crowds. The first Cup Final at Wembley drew an estimated crowd of 200,000.
Average crowds in 1948-49 season across the top four leagues were 22,000, today those same divisions combined don't get near that average number.
Not long ago, in the dying days of McCarthy we struggled to attract 16K, it was all very reminiscent of the post Robson 80s era. |
I was there after grafting all day on a building site during the Mick Mac games I remember it being 13k on a cold Tuesday night.
I’d come out the stadium mooch up to the station thinking Christ that was boring..
The Mick Mac and Terry Conor was a good song and exercise though 😂 | |
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| Talking about support more generally on 07:13 - Jan 4 with 300 views | Dyland |
Hammers fan on 606 bemoaning the team (mainly captain and manager) not coming over to "properly apologise" to the fans after their defeat at Wolves.
The childish entitlement is pathetic! And it's the same at Town fan and at many if not all clubs.
If you can't chant or sing or whatever, first and foremost please move from the LN. And if you want to yell and moan at every perceived mistake please just fook off completely. | |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 08:55 - Jan 4 with 216 views | bringbacktheglory |
We have half a stadium that did give up during the dark McCarthy days, or newcomers who never had to experience that. That is likely to create entitlement, alongside the cost of going to football. It has been turned into an entertainment business by Sky, as mentioned throughout this post.
The quietness itself isn’t the major issue, in my opinion. It’s the impact it has in amplifying the moans and groans when a pass is loose, or a shot wayward. I honestly cringe watching us at times, the crowd are so quick to moan and groan, or shout at Walton to kick it out. The lack of understanding that football is a %s game now is astounding. The readiness to moan and groan rather than encourage has been an issue at Ipswich (and quite perhaps other clubs, I do not know) for as long as I can remember (started regularly after 2004). It’s basic psychology, encoursge, not discourage. | | | |
| Talking about support more generally on 09:27 - Jan 4 with 180 views | Benters |
| Talking about support more generally on 07:13 - Jan 4 by Dyland |
Hammers fan on 606 bemoaning the team (mainly captain and manager) not coming over to "properly apologise" to the fans after their defeat at Wolves.
The childish entitlement is pathetic! And it's the same at Town fan and at many if not all clubs.
If you can't chant or sing or whatever, first and foremost please move from the LN. And if you want to yell and moan at every perceived mistake please just fook off completely. |
I watched a couple of videos on YouTube at the fans singing ‘your not fit to wear the shirt’ etc 😂 at the end of the game. | |
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| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 09:45 - Jan 4 with 154 views | Jon_456 |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 21:10 - Jan 3 by Blue_Order |
The solution at this moment is that anybody that wants to sing should move into the designated singing section. That’s what it’s there for, after all. If it was filled with 500 singers rather than the 50 that it is right now, it would make a world of difference.
If you wanna sing, join the singers. Easy. |
I fear it will have the opposite effect.
The overall atmosphere has noticeably become worse since BA moved to Block A.
Singers spread out across the lower north will result in more people around them joining in. By all the singers moving to a small section of the stadium where no one can hear them, it just totally kills it and as we’ve seen, results in the LN being even more silent.
If KM is going to bemoan the atmosphere (which he’s right about), perhaps the club should do more to accommodate BA in LN. | | | |
| KM not impressed with the atmosphere against Ox. on 09:54 - Jan 4 with 147 views | SchancheITFC |
Similar to when Town came down from the Prem last time. Lots of glory hunters with season tickets expect us to walk the league. | | | |
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