| Starmer is a dead man walking 12:37 - Feb 4 with 16246 views | hype313 |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 07:18 - Feb 5 with 1162 views | mutters |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 21:58 - Feb 4 by DJR |
I don't think Cameron ever thought he would lose.
Johnson coming out for Brexit was the gamechanger (to use another word I don't like) in my view.
As regards the "will of the people" expression I suppose those behind the Brexit campaign would say that. But on the other hand, the "people's vote" campaign always struck me (a staunch remainer) as totally undemocratic. Far better to have campaigned for a softer Brexit, which was a possible option when May gave a series of free votes. But I think the Lib Dems put the kibosh on that. [Post edited 4 Feb 21:59]
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Not liking the word "gamechanger" is pretty harsh, bearing in mind our owners... đ |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 07:19 - Feb 5 with 1163 views | bluelagos |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 07:12 - Feb 5 by Texaco73 |
Some points for consideration:
The controlled trickle release of Epstein files is a useful weapon to undermine democracy. The latest batch targeted Andrew Mountbatten and Mandleson.
Why?
Causing civil unrest in the UK is in the interest of who and why?
Join those dots and the the bigger picture of the "new world order" makes sense. |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 07:26 - Feb 5 with 1115 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 07:19 - Feb 5 by bluelagos |
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Think those petrol fumes have got to Texacoâs headâŚ. |  | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 07:31 - Feb 5 with 1107 views | Dubtractor |
I think it's a pretty damning verdict on Starmer that almost everyone thinks he/the government is doing a bad job.
Reform voters think he a socialist inviting immigrants in (despite the opposite being true)
What's left of the tories hate his tax policies and impacts on farmers
Anyone left of centre thinks he is basically a tory
Lib dems probably all see him as damaged goods, and to the right of Ed Davey.
Green's are laughing as their group grows as disappointed labour voters go to them.
You're left with a shrinking group of centrists/loyalists who probably remain unimpressed but stick with the 'consider the alternative' view that it could (probably will be) be much worse if eg reform get in.
Taking control of the country at the time they did, with the combined impact of covid, Liz truss disaster budget, and 14 years of managed decline was always a bit of a hospital pass, but even allowing for that they have really made a mess of it. [Post edited 5 Feb 7:34]
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 07:52 - Feb 5 with 1039 views | DJR |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 06:09 - Feb 5 by Ryorry |
"I don't think Cameron ever thought he would lose."
He was told/warned oftn enough by Donald Tusk, then President of the EU, that he was running a high risk of catastrophic failure (ie that the Leave would prevail in the vote).
But nope, he wasn't going to listen, his arrogance & selfishness in putting his & his tory cronies' greed & party interests ahead of his country were always going to over-ride wise advice. |
Professor Vernon Bogdanor, the constitutional expert, described Cameron as one of the ablest students he had taught.
But whilst Cameron was undoubtedly bright, I think he lacked common sense and attention to detail, as well as being lazy.
This meant he left ministers to get on with things (failing Grayling springs to mind), and it is difficult to think of any policy of his government that stood up to scrutiny.
As evidence of his laziness, a friend of mine attended a reception at No.10 at which Cameron was meant to be present. But on the day he was nowhere to be seen because he was playing tennis.
The bizarre thing is that Teflon Dave (or Call Me Dave) never received much in the way of criticism for the many disasters he was involved in: Libya springs to mind, which as well as being a failed state is a source of many people entering Europe in recent years. [Post edited 5 Feb 8:09]
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 08:40 - Feb 5 with 937 views | BloomBlue |
I think its also possible Labour as a party is dead man walking.
Blair, Brown and Starmer gave Mandelson jobs. Brown brought him back (and made him a Lord) and most of the political related alleged crimes occurred while he worked for Brown.
It was struggling enough when racist Corbyn was leading it, but seem to be coming out of that dark time.
Now Labour will be surrounded by Mandelson corruption claims for years to come. |  | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 08:46 - Feb 5 with 918 views | MVBlue |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 12:50 - Feb 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
He pushes for law abiding citizens to have compulsory Digital ID in a state overreach, yet ignores vetting of people in his own party (in a position of power no less). The hypocrisy stinks. |
I think its pretty clear by now its not him making policies.... Hes just a vehicle that thinks he can get these things done |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 08:52 - Feb 5 with 901 views | EdwardStone |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 07:52 - Feb 5 by DJR |
Professor Vernon Bogdanor, the constitutional expert, described Cameron as one of the ablest students he had taught.
But whilst Cameron was undoubtedly bright, I think he lacked common sense and attention to detail, as well as being lazy.
This meant he left ministers to get on with things (failing Grayling springs to mind), and it is difficult to think of any policy of his government that stood up to scrutiny.
As evidence of his laziness, a friend of mine attended a reception at No.10 at which Cameron was meant to be present. But on the day he was nowhere to be seen because he was playing tennis.
The bizarre thing is that Teflon Dave (or Call Me Dave) never received much in the way of criticism for the many disasters he was involved in: Libya springs to mind, which as well as being a failed state is a source of many people entering Europe in recent years. [Post edited 5 Feb 8:09]
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It was as if Camwron failed to learn from the overwhelming majority who voted for " Boaty McBoatface" when it was put to the Great Unwashed on a popular vote
Or the nearly 20 00 people who put Jedi as their religion on their Census forms
There is a strong streak of sticking it to the man by "having a bit of a larf" in the character of a section of our fine population |  | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 08:53 - Feb 5 with 887 views | MVBlue |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 07:31 - Feb 5 by Dubtractor |
I think it's a pretty damning verdict on Starmer that almost everyone thinks he/the government is doing a bad job.
Reform voters think he a socialist inviting immigrants in (despite the opposite being true)
What's left of the tories hate his tax policies and impacts on farmers
Anyone left of centre thinks he is basically a tory
Lib dems probably all see him as damaged goods, and to the right of Ed Davey.
Green's are laughing as their group grows as disappointed labour voters go to them.
You're left with a shrinking group of centrists/loyalists who probably remain unimpressed but stick with the 'consider the alternative' view that it could (probably will be) be much worse if eg reform get in.
Taking control of the country at the time they did, with the combined impact of covid, Liz truss disaster budget, and 14 years of managed decline was always a bit of a hospital pass, but even allowing for that they have really made a mess of it. [Post edited 5 Feb 7:34]
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Its pretty amusing to me that the Tories are tainted by 15 years of bad policy and running down the country and state, Labour have no sensible heads and want to tax and do over reach and now have some corruption like the Tories Covid contracts, Reform are in with Trump, Bannon and the American financing and full of career politicians. Lib Dems is career politicians.
So the alternative vote to stick it to them all is the Greens. LOL | |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:00 - Feb 5 with 854 views | Herbivore |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 08:53 - Feb 5 by MVBlue |
Its pretty amusing to me that the Tories are tainted by 15 years of bad policy and running down the country and state, Labour have no sensible heads and want to tax and do over reach and now have some corruption like the Tories Covid contracts, Reform are in with Trump, Bannon and the American financing and full of career politicians. Lib Dems is career politicians.
So the alternative vote to stick it to them all is the Greens. LOL |
Interestingly, the Greens are now polling at a similar level to what UKIP used to. The difference is that when UKIP were polling at these sorts of numbers, Farage was on Question Time every week and a regular presence on and in mainstream media. Polanski is a fringe figure who you will mostly see on social media bar the odd brief TV appearance. And people wonder how we ended up with Reform becoming mainstream. Mad that the media (and public to an extent) are less terrified of the far-right than they are a bit of social democracy and environmental concern. |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:21 - Feb 5 with 793 views | grow_our_own |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 19:14 - Feb 4 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Think itâs a stat showing that they lost the election?
A glorious defeat though, Dear Leader was second only to the universally popular and talented Teresa Maybot.
Footballing equivalent of Town losing the FA cup final, only the opposition wasnât Man City, but Rochdale. [Post edited 4 Feb 19:15]
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Indeed. Labour's glorious red leader led Labour to glorious defeat twice. The second time with the fewest seats since 1935. Elections aren't won on absolute quantity of votes. The electorate isn't foolish. They can read the polls. They voted Tory in even greater numbers than Corbyn's glorious millions in 2017 and 2019 to keep him out. Given a choice of a less extreme ("Let's nationalise ISPs!"), pragmatic Labour in 2024, the mainstream, floating voter won them the election, because Labour were seen as no longer completely batsh!t. In 2017 and 2019 it had become clear how much of a total cluster-f#ck Tory Brexit was, yet still Corbyn couldn't make inroads in voter share. Partly because he was seen as one of its hand-maidens, having barely lifted a finger to campaign for Remain.
Bear with me on this, but I don't think Labour should choose avowed Marxists as their leaders. And that's before even getting started on Corbyn's anti-semitism (tolerance of it at best). | | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:22 - Feb 5 with 792 views | DJR |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:14 - Feb 5 by mutters |
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You're going to have to show your workings on that one đ |
My workings are that I don't like the expression gamechanger, apart from its use by our owners.  | | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:30 - Feb 5 with 763 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 22:45 - Feb 4 by ElderGrizzly |
BBC doing all they can to help Steve Bannonâs assets
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Theyâre not subtle about it are they. Chris Mason can barely hide his stiffy when heâs talking about Reform. |  |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:36 - Feb 5 with 721 views | StokieBlue |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:00 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
Interestingly, the Greens are now polling at a similar level to what UKIP used to. The difference is that when UKIP were polling at these sorts of numbers, Farage was on Question Time every week and a regular presence on and in mainstream media. Polanski is a fringe figure who you will mostly see on social media bar the odd brief TV appearance. And people wonder how we ended up with Reform becoming mainstream. Mad that the media (and public to an extent) are less terrified of the far-right than they are a bit of social democracy and environmental concern. |
Polanski was on Newsnight last night and is fairly frequently on but you're absolutely right about the disparity in the general level of coverage he gets compared to what Farage got at the same polling level.
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:53 - Feb 5 with 667 views | JackNorthStand |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 13:04 - Feb 4 by ElderGrizzly |
As long as the same judgement is applied to Farage with his proven links to Epstein and Bannon, all is good.
We wouldnât want two-tier justice |
Farage isnât PM and didnât hire Mandelson. Surely even you can see how poorly judged this is from Starmer ? Yet you seem to defend it by diverting your post towards other politicians instead. | | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:02 - Feb 5 with 615 views | Benters |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:53 - Feb 5 by JackNorthStand |
Farage isnât PM and didnât hire Mandelson. Surely even you can see how poorly judged this is from Starmer ? Yet you seem to defend it by diverting your post towards other politicians instead. |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:08 - Feb 5 with 587 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:00 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
Interestingly, the Greens are now polling at a similar level to what UKIP used to. The difference is that when UKIP were polling at these sorts of numbers, Farage was on Question Time every week and a regular presence on and in mainstream media. Polanski is a fringe figure who you will mostly see on social media bar the odd brief TV appearance. And people wonder how we ended up with Reform becoming mainstream. Mad that the media (and public to an extent) are less terrified of the far-right than they are a bit of social democracy and environmental concern. |
They should get the tit wizard on tv more often. He's gold.
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:13 - Feb 5 with 564 views | grow_our_own |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 09:28 - Feb 5 by DJR |
It's Corbyn bingo time with expressions like Dear Leader, glorious leader, glorious red leader, avowed Marxist.
I'm ticking them off as I go along but there's a fair way to go before I get a full house.
The funny thing for me is that expressions such as this are just tropes or smears that people have heard elsewhere and trot out.
And whilst smears are incredibly effective, they shouldn't be used to win an argument if we are talking about rational debate. [Post edited 5 Feb 9:44]
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Bingo isn't always bullsh!t. I take back "avowed", but he's always side-stepped when asked whether he supports Marxism. Fact is, Corbyn's is the politics of the few, not the many. He fights a class war, when the majority are no longer working class. If a country is a failing communist dictatorship, then Corbyn is generally a fan, eg Venezuela. Was happy for Ukraine to be armed only with strong language when facing Russian invasion in 2022. | | | |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:17 - Feb 5 with 546 views | leitrimblue |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:13 - Feb 5 by grow_our_own |
Bingo isn't always bullsh!t. I take back "avowed", but he's always side-stepped when asked whether he supports Marxism. Fact is, Corbyn's is the politics of the few, not the many. He fights a class war, when the majority are no longer working class. If a country is a failing communist dictatorship, then Corbyn is generally a fan, eg Venezuela. Was happy for Ukraine to be armed only with strong language when facing Russian invasion in 2022. |
Exactly, there is no working class, we're all middle class now |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 10:25 - Feb 5 with 520 views | grow_our_own |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:17 - Feb 5 by leitrimblue |
Exactly, there is no working class, we're all middle class now |
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| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:26 - Feb 5 with 518 views | grow_our_own |
| Starmer is a dead man walking on 10:17 - Feb 5 by leitrimblue |
Exactly, there is no working class, we're all middle class now |
Exactly, there is no middle class, we're all still working class
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