| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage 16:58 - Mar 26 with 13993 views | itfcjoe |
What an absolute whopper
Time to go Ashton
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| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 05:57 - Mar 27 with 1312 views | ernie |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 20:35 - Mar 26 by bluelagos |
You guys should step up imho.
If he's not gone by the next game organise a demo, banner. If it needs funding I'll cover it (genuine offer)
We can't sit back and watch a car crash destroy our promotion chances. |
lol. Making a big deal (out of what is essentially nothing) and calling for the head of our CEO when it has already been forgotten by the national media is exactly what is going to derail our chances of promotion. |  | | |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:02 - Mar 27 with 1208 views | Herbivore |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 05:57 - Mar 27 by ernie |
lol. Making a big deal (out of what is essentially nothing) and calling for the head of our CEO when it has already been forgotten by the national media is exactly what is going to derail our chances of promotion. |
It's really funny seeing yourself and other posters of your ilk who only ever post relentlessly negative drek about the players, the manager, and leadership at the club now clutching your pearls that people are fuming at Ashton. You lot always deny that your over the top negative hot takes have any impact but now you're saying people venting about Ashton will derail our promotion chances? Hypocrite much? And interesting that a draw at Stoke is, in your eyes, clearly worthy of losing one's head over but inviting a racist grifter to the club to use it for self-promotion and tarnishing the reputation of our club as a result is absolutely fine. Have a word with yourself, mate. |  |
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| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:22 - Mar 27 with 1137 views | Dubtractor |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:02 - Mar 27 by Herbivore |
It's really funny seeing yourself and other posters of your ilk who only ever post relentlessly negative drek about the players, the manager, and leadership at the club now clutching your pearls that people are fuming at Ashton. You lot always deny that your over the top negative hot takes have any impact but now you're saying people venting about Ashton will derail our promotion chances? Hypocrite much? And interesting that a draw at Stoke is, in your eyes, clearly worthy of losing one's head over but inviting a racist grifter to the club to use it for self-promotion and tarnishing the reputation of our club as a result is absolutely fine. Have a word with yourself, mate. |
It is pretty telling that almost everyone still defending Ashton are those who you'd say are nailed on Reform voters.
Its no about the politics though, oh no, it's free speech.
For the record, anyone can vote Reform if they won't, but don't pretend that isnt influencing their position on this. |  |
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| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:34 - Mar 27 with 1076 views | WeWereZombies |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 05:57 - Mar 27 by ernie |
lol. Making a big deal (out of what is essentially nothing) and calling for the head of our CEO when it has already been forgotten by the national media is exactly what is going to derail our chances of promotion. |
If it has already been forgotten why was a Liverpool supporter having a laugh at me six hundred and fifty miles away from Portman Road last night ? |  |
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| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:41 - Mar 27 with 1046 views | bazza |
I think this boils down to
A, it’s farage
B, it’s Ashton who several already have a hard on for
But you can’t defend the indefensible he’s cocked up royally, but I’d say an apology would be enough for the majority. And concentrate back on promotion. |  | | |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:43 - Mar 27 with 1032 views | Libero |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:41 - Mar 27 by bazza |
I think this boils down to
A, it’s farage
B, it’s Ashton who several already have a hard on for
But you can’t defend the indefensible he’s cocked up royally, but I’d say an apology would be enough for the majority. And concentrate back on promotion. |
Te he he! - sorry I invited a quasi fascist for lunch, allowed him to use the club in his propaganda, then treated you all like idiots and lied
to you about it! - can we go back to normal now?!
No, Mark- No we can’t. |  | | |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:47 - Mar 27 with 1011 views | bazza |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:43 - Mar 27 by Libero |
Te he he! - sorry I invited a quasi fascist for lunch, allowed him to use the club in his propaganda, then treated you all like idiots and lied
to you about it! - can we go back to normal now?!
No, Mark- No we can’t. |
As I said.. | | | |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:55 - Mar 27 with 955 views | m14_blue |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:41 - Mar 27 by bazza |
I think this boils down to
A, it’s farage
B, it’s Ashton who several already have a hard on for
But you can’t defend the indefensible he’s cocked up royally, but I’d say an apology would be enough for the majority. And concentrate back on promotion. |
Apology definitely not enough for me.
It would have been immediately after the event but he chose to lie about it instead. There's no way any apology now will be sincere and we can't trust anything he says about anything in the future.
Lying has become normalised in public life but it really shouldn't be.
He needs to go. | | | |
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| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:59 - Mar 27 with 927 views | jayessess |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:43 - Mar 27 by Libero |
Te he he! - sorry I invited a quasi fascist for lunch, allowed him to use the club in his propaganda, then treated you all like idiots and lied
to you about it! - can we go back to normal now?!
No, Mark- No we can’t. |
Think it's amazing that a few days ago the line from some was "oh, it's not like it's an endorsement, anyone can visit the club, we have to be apolitical" and now that it's turned out actually this was an active political intervention by the club and that Ashton actively courted this and facilitated all the media we've seen about it, it's made no difference.
If you hate talking about the politics and just want to focus on football, go tell Ashton. If he wasn't desperate to have a nice chatty lunch with Nigel Farage we'd still all be talking about whether Núñez should come straight back in or whatever. |  |
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| I know a number of people.... on 08:11 - Mar 27 with 877 views | NthQldITFC |
| I know a number of people.... on 22:43 - Mar 26 by bluester |
It’s not, I know a plenty of people at board levels who are not. If anything, it’s better if they’re not like that. |
Agree.
It's a very narrow-minded, shallow and simplistic idea that we hear far too often, associated with the aggressive, self-obsessed ideals of the likes of Thatcher.
It may work as a shock to the system on occasion, but human beings are a co-operative pack species deep in our DNA, and we work best when we encourage and look out for each other and engender group enthusiasm, not resentment.
It might be different if we operated in unconstrained systems where everyone could 'grow' as much as they want, but football clubs operate in a constrained league just like humans operate on a constrained planet - we have to get on with each other and compromise for the greater good or we wreck ourselves and the system gets overheated and dies. |  |
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| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 08:15 - Mar 27 with 857 views | gringoblue |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 07:41 - Mar 27 by bazza |
I think this boils down to
A, it’s farage
B, it’s Ashton who several already have a hard on for
But you can’t defend the indefensible he’s cocked up royally, but I’d say an apology would be enough for the majority. And concentrate back on promotion. |
I think it is slightly less relevant whether a section of ITFC supporters feel Ashton should go, if his staff and potentially some players / McKenna have lost trust in Ashton then he is surely gone. |  | | |
| The problem is itfcsuth… on 08:40 - Mar 27 with 764 views | itfcsuth |
| The problem is itfcsuth… on 20:50 - Mar 26 by unstableblue |
… its not the lying, or the sanctioned platforming of our club to make that party political video… it’s Farage being welcomed
You state - “Not for inviting or meeting Farage, that personally doesn’t bother me”
It needs to bother people. He is a really really nasty piece of work. He’s dangerous for this country. He’s a rascist and he’s an extreme populist and he’s a mini Trump.
Badenoch, Starmer, Polanski, and Davey are all flawed. But they are all principled in some ways.
Farage is a grifter… he’s made £54k from cameo already this year, he’s been funded by the worst, his councillors are appalling, he’s starting ponzi Bitcoin esque scams.
We enabled him.
Read into what he has said and done.
Ashton has to go. [Post edited 26 Mar 20:50]
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That’s personal opinion of people whether him being there bothers people though, not matter of fact. Some people dislike Farage, some like him, some are indifferent - that’s just personal opinions.
It is a matter fact however that Ashton tried to lie and deceive fans, employees and local media to cover up the story, and that is an horrendous look in the position he holds. |  | | |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 08:41 - Mar 27 with 763 views | WolfieAtTheBack |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 08:15 - Mar 27 by gringoblue |
I think it is slightly less relevant whether a section of ITFC supporters feel Ashton should go, if his staff and potentially some players / McKenna have lost trust in Ashton then he is surely gone. |
Over the summer Ashton has positive talks with KM and we retain one of the best young coaches in Europe to get us back up, good work.
Cue 6 months later KM comes into to work and sees Farage walking about the stadium waving his town shirt about.
Borderline insanity from Ashton, then to have a sit down meal and a signing session on ITFC merchandise FFS!
Maybe he wants to be a politician now as his football career is in all sorts of mess.
The only way he can get out of this is say something drugged him at the meal and he has no recollection of anything that happened ha | | | |
| The problem is itfcsuth… on 08:47 - Mar 27 with 726 views | Herbivore |
| The problem is itfcsuth… on 08:40 - Mar 27 by itfcsuth |
That’s personal opinion of people whether him being there bothers people though, not matter of fact. Some people dislike Farage, some like him, some are indifferent - that’s just personal opinions.
It is a matter fact however that Ashton tried to lie and deceive fans, employees and local media to cover up the story, and that is an horrendous look in the position he holds. |
There's lots of evidence that Farage is a racist grifter. If some people like him then that's on them but our club shouldn't be promoting racist grifters. The lying about it makes it even worse but allowing Farage to use our club for propaganda given what he stands for and what he is was a huge error of judgement. | |
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| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 09:21 - Mar 27 with 643 views | DazBoGangles |
I'm torn
I'm appalled by the story, the fact Ashton has done this for his ego and the fact we're now forever associated with Farage and Reform. I'm angered by the fact we've gifted them, not only merchandise but more importantly an opportunity for free PR (ironically at PR). But the worst thing - he's clearly been caught in a lie and there's no effort thus far to correct that.
That said, although it is KM who has ultimately brought us success - MA has been an integral part of the story and without him I geniunely don't believe we'd have progressed in the way we have, so quickly.
We live in a "cancel culture" world and it's so unforgiving that when a mistake is made - and what a whopper of a mistake it is - it doesn't allow for the chance of making a mistake and moving on.
I would genuinely let this pass - in the event, and only if, MA comes out and apologies for the cover up and gifts.
If he doesn't - which I suspect he won't - he should go. [Post edited 27 Mar 9:23]
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| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 12:19 - Mar 27 with 467 views | JohnsonsLeap |
I can't imagine fan outrage will result in Ashton leaving. I think it's going to take sponsors cancelling deals for it to become realistic that Ashton goes..
Not seen it said in this thread, but how much do we know about our American owners? My assumption is that as part of the millionaire/billionaire class in America they are quite likely to be Trump supporters.
Would then assume this was part of a calculated grift by Ashton to deepen personal ties with them. The fall out and handling since speaks to the character of the man.
Feels like a needless low point in our recent history. I'm not sure how I will react when I hear away fans singing about it, I just know that I am not looking forward to it. | | | |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 12:41 - Mar 27 with 430 views | nrb1985 |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 12:19 - Mar 27 by JohnsonsLeap |
I can't imagine fan outrage will result in Ashton leaving. I think it's going to take sponsors cancelling deals for it to become realistic that Ashton goes..
Not seen it said in this thread, but how much do we know about our American owners? My assumption is that as part of the millionaire/billionaire class in America they are quite likely to be Trump supporters.
Would then assume this was part of a calculated grift by Ashton to deepen personal ties with them. The fall out and handling since speaks to the character of the man.
Feels like a needless low point in our recent history. I'm not sure how I will react when I hear away fans singing about it, I just know that I am not looking forward to it. |
The owners political persuasions are irrelevant.
They have one responsibility and one only - to make money for the investors in their fund. Doing anything else is a dereliction of their fiduciary duty and would result in them struggling to raise capital in the future.
I agree this will probably come down to how the sponsors react. | | | |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 12:53 - Mar 27 with 391 views | NthQldITFC |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 12:41 - Mar 27 by nrb1985 |
The owners political persuasions are irrelevant.
They have one responsibility and one only - to make money for the investors in their fund. Doing anything else is a dereliction of their fiduciary duty and would result in them struggling to raise capital in the future.
I agree this will probably come down to how the sponsors react. |
It's a sad, sad world where people only have a responsibility to money.
Do they have no responsibility to law?
Do they have no moral responsibility?
Do they have no responsibility of kindness and to the happiness of people around them?
People who grow up in our lost society to be blinkered into measuring themselves and everybody else in terms of 'money', often sadly remain that way until they are sick or on their deathbed.
Then they suddenly remember what life is all about, far, far, far too late.
- nothing personal, just what I feel to be an important, wider angle philosophical observation on your line about 'one responsibility and one only'. | |
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| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage (n/t) on 13:12 - Mar 27 with 343 views | JohnsonsLeap |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 12:41 - Mar 27 by nrb1985 |
The owners political persuasions are irrelevant.
They have one responsibility and one only - to make money for the investors in their fund. Doing anything else is a dereliction of their fiduciary duty and would result in them struggling to raise capital in the future.
I agree this will probably come down to how the sponsors react. |
No I don't think it's irrelevant.
I think it could be quite relevant if we're trying to understand Ashtons motivation. [Post edited 27 Mar 13:15]
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| The problem is itfcsuth… on 13:26 - Mar 27 with 289 views | itfcsuth |
| The problem is itfcsuth… on 08:47 - Mar 27 by Herbivore |
There's lots of evidence that Farage is a racist grifter. If some people like him then that's on them but our club shouldn't be promoting racist grifters. The lying about it makes it even worse but allowing Farage to use our club for propaganda given what he stands for and what he is was a huge error of judgement. |
To be honest, I remember there was a story where he was accused of saying some appalling things when he was a teenager, beyond that I don’t really remember seeing too much more because I just don’t follow politics enough - so you’d have to share his racist remarks because I genuinely don’t have that knowledge.
As for a politician been a grifter, they all are, every single politician is in it for themselves first and foremost, that doesn’t matter whether it be Reform, Tories or Labour. | | | |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 13:29 - Mar 27 with 272 views | ReusersTown |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 09:21 - Mar 27 by DazBoGangles |
I'm torn
I'm appalled by the story, the fact Ashton has done this for his ego and the fact we're now forever associated with Farage and Reform. I'm angered by the fact we've gifted them, not only merchandise but more importantly an opportunity for free PR (ironically at PR). But the worst thing - he's clearly been caught in a lie and there's no effort thus far to correct that.
That said, although it is KM who has ultimately brought us success - MA has been an integral part of the story and without him I geniunely don't believe we'd have progressed in the way we have, so quickly.
We live in a "cancel culture" world and it's so unforgiving that when a mistake is made - and what a whopper of a mistake it is - it doesn't allow for the chance of making a mistake and moving on.
I would genuinely let this pass - in the event, and only if, MA comes out and apologies for the cover up and gifts.
If he doesn't - which I suspect he won't - he should go. [Post edited 27 Mar 9:23]
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People trotting out cancel culture as a factor in this is absolute triple and grinding my gears. He has committed multiple sackable offences, what has that got to do with cancel culture? | | | |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 14:06 - Mar 27 with 213 views | nrb1985 |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 12:53 - Mar 27 by NthQldITFC |
It's a sad, sad world where people only have a responsibility to money.
Do they have no responsibility to law?
Do they have no moral responsibility?
Do they have no responsibility of kindness and to the happiness of people around them?
People who grow up in our lost society to be blinkered into measuring themselves and everybody else in terms of 'money', often sadly remain that way until they are sick or on their deathbed.
Then they suddenly remember what life is all about, far, far, far too late.
- nothing personal, just what I feel to be an important, wider angle philosophical observation on your line about 'one responsibility and one only'. |
LOL - what laws have been broken here?!
Also - without stating the obvious, what other responsibility do you think a private equity manager should have in their day to day job?! | | | |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 14:10 - Mar 27 with 193 views | NthQldITFC |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 14:06 - Mar 27 by nrb1985 |
LOL - what laws have been broken here?!
Also - without stating the obvious, what other responsibility do you think a private equity manager should have in their day to day job?! |
I don't think you've really understood the gist of my post. | |
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| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 14:21 - Mar 27 with 138 views | OldFart71 |
It doesn't take much to change people's opinion on someone. Not that long ago he was the messiah. The best thing since sliced bread and how grateful we were to have him and that Bristol City had made a huge error.
But of course all those decrying Ashton now never made a mistake, an error of judgement.
As Jesus said " Those without sin cast the first stone"
It has to be remembered that just as Farage is seen by some that also applies to Badenoch, Starmer and Polanski all of whom have their faults to one degree or another.
The club were not in any way making a political statement. MA may have made an error of judgement but that by no means mean that he should be hung a quartered for it. | | | |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 14:38 - Mar 27 with 79 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| All this just for the CEO's ego and wanting to meet Nigel Farage on 14:21 - Mar 27 by OldFart71 |
It doesn't take much to change people's opinion on someone. Not that long ago he was the messiah. The best thing since sliced bread and how grateful we were to have him and that Bristol City had made a huge error.
But of course all those decrying Ashton now never made a mistake, an error of judgement.
As Jesus said " Those without sin cast the first stone"
It has to be remembered that just as Farage is seen by some that also applies to Badenoch, Starmer and Polanski all of whom have their faults to one degree or another.
The club were not in any way making a political statement. MA may have made an error of judgement but that by no means mean that he should be hung a quartered for it. |
This equivalency with Polanski et al is getting really tiresome. Just as affiliating Jimmy Savile to a club with a youth team would send a terrible signal, just as affiliating Andrew Tate to a club with a womens’ team would send a terrible signal, affiliating Nigel Farage to a club that embraces multicultualism, equality and progressive values sends a fcking terrible signal. | | | |
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