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A lot of subjects from politics to covid to current situation. If someone makes right comment good or bad they get jumped on. Obviously if too far gets removed but noticing more and more. Guess puts people off commenting and ones who shout through rooftops get louder.
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Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 06:33 - Mar 28 with 1867 views
Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 06:33 - Mar 28 by Benters
It does put a lot of lurkers off posting.
It's not just TWTD. It's wider society as a whole. I blame big tech, which profits from polarization and amplifying extreme views whilst hollowing out the middle ground.
Sadly, I'm not sure what can be done by us lowly folk as it requires legislation from the top, but it is why I came off social media about 7 or 8 years ago now. I can honestly say my life has been far better for it.
Ashton out
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Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 07:00 - Mar 28 with 1786 views
Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 06:40 - Mar 28 by TheMoralMajority
It's not just TWTD. It's wider society as a whole. I blame big tech, which profits from polarization and amplifying extreme views whilst hollowing out the middle ground.
Sadly, I'm not sure what can be done by us lowly folk as it requires legislation from the top, but it is why I came off social media about 7 or 8 years ago now. I can honestly say my life has been far better for it.
It's unfortunately given a platform to anyone to say whatever they like, and as with every walk of life the loudest gets heard the most, so you only get to hear the views of the most extreme from either end of the spectrum. It’s Quite depressing.
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Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 07:02 - Mar 28 with 1783 views
Brexit started it, and it’s gone from there. People had to pick a side, and many were so vocal in their views they can’t now back down, even if something they pinned their colours to the mast for turned out to be a crock of sh1t.
The other factor is social media. Everyone has a voice, so people take a more and more extreme opinion to get themselves noticed.
There’s no room for nuance, subtlety or a middle ground… it’s yes or no, in or out, black or white, jam first or cream first (scum).
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Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 07:02 - Mar 28 by ITFC_Forever
It’s society as a whole.
Brexit started it, and it’s gone from there. People had to pick a side, and many were so vocal in their views they can’t now back down, even if something they pinned their colours to the mast for turned out to be a crock of sh1t.
The other factor is social media. Everyone has a voice, so people take a more and more extreme opinion to get themselves noticed.
There’s no room for nuance, subtlety or a middle ground… it’s yes or no, in or out, black or white, jam first or cream first (scum).
Definitely jam first.
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Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 07:12 - Mar 28 with 1750 views
Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 06:40 - Mar 28 by TheMoralMajority
It's not just TWTD. It's wider society as a whole. I blame big tech, which profits from polarization and amplifying extreme views whilst hollowing out the middle ground.
Sadly, I'm not sure what can be done by us lowly folk as it requires legislation from the top, but it is why I came off social media about 7 or 8 years ago now. I can honestly say my life has been far better for it.
I trace it back to the brexit vote. The way that was all campaigned for made it all a 'them or us' scenario, it polarised people into 2 groups, and that now seems to be the way that society plays out.
You now see that tactic being used more an more, particularly in politics, and most glaringly in America by Trump.
I was born underwater, I dried out in the sun.
I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
I believe that a lot of people used to be silently sexist, racist and homophobic but are now more willing to be openly public about saying and supporting these views. On the other side, sexist, racist and homophobic behaviour and comments are more often called out, criticised and discussed. Thus we have more discussion which, by definition involves division (of opinion). It usually ends being personal, then nasty, and then extreme. We also discuss deeper topics, and there will always be divisions of opinion on these that people will dig down on. Now it's trans rights, Palestine or whether Farage is a suitable person for ITFC to be associated with. It used to be cheese.
"......Paul Mariner......John Wark...... Brian Tablet...errrrrrr Talbot."
Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 07:02 - Mar 28 by ITFC_Forever
It’s society as a whole.
Brexit started it, and it’s gone from there. People had to pick a side, and many were so vocal in their views they can’t now back down, even if something they pinned their colours to the mast for turned out to be a crock of sh1t.
The other factor is social media. Everyone has a voice, so people take a more and more extreme opinion to get themselves noticed.
There’s no room for nuance, subtlety or a middle ground… it’s yes or no, in or out, black or white, jam first or cream first (scum).
We both made pretty much the same post there.
I disagree about scone technique though, you savage.
I was born underwater, I dried out in the sun.
I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
Who would have thought that Town would become the focus of the country's battle for its soul?
Like most, I am deeply disappointed with the behaviour of the club. The issue isn't Farage appearing on a tour or even taking a photo with the ground - whether people like it or not he's a mainstream political figure - it's that we have courted it and facilitated the shooting of a promotional release for Reform. Then to compound things, the club has tried to backtrack with false claims before releasing a statement that is dripping with disdain for supporters with any intellect.
To be honest as soon as I saw the shirts had been moved, I kind of knew this was at best tacit approval from those up top, at worst coordinated help. I bet anyone else on the tour hasn't been moving shirts and hanging up their own ones.
Anyway,.what has followed has followed. And it's essentially a taking the temperature of the country.
I feel aggrieved. In my own opinion, Farage and Reform's upcoming domination of the council elections and 2029 is because of the failure of liberalism, the centre and most shockingly the Labour Party itself. The centrists and Labour are the real culprits.
But what we're also seeing is a realignment. Because as much as I'm opposed to Reform, there is a smidgen of truth, as uncomfortable as it may be, from those who say that Farage and his supporters are being scapegoated for having political views that they are entitled to. There's a particular outrage aimed at Reform that probably wouldn't be countenanced elsewhere. It's like watching Brexit again, where one group's disdain and repulsion for another only confirms what the other group thinks about liberal snobbishness and the divide in this country. You can see it play out on here everyday.
Reform polling around 30% means significant support. Dismissing every one of those voters as racist or idiotic is very dangerous.
What needs to happen is understanding. A political system has failed its people for decades. Even more significantly there has been a huge cultural change and there are key shifting class dynamics. The petit bourgeoisie, once a narrow class, have expanded, and their views and cultural outlook are the prevailing ones. In fact, they are challenging the liberal middle classes who for a long time have run the country. Those middle classes are losing that power,, it's draining away, and panic is setting in because they have lived in an elite bubble for a long period. Meanwhile the petit bourgeoise's key beliefs (family first, ''Im alright Jack'' 'Ive worked hard for this so i deserve it', .'anylone can make it if you want it and work hard enough' and suspicion of all that can be deemed 'woke' in part because of the way that the professional managerial class uses progressivism as a kind of individual badge of achievement to mark themselves out) is not only reflected in Reform's politics but in the social fabric of the country. Individualism and the decline of collectivism is at the heart of everything. We're all guilty of it.
The confluence of all these factors is about to unleash profound political change and upheaval. Much of which is not going to be very palatable. Who to blame? Thatcherism would be rhe easy answer but perhaps it's all closer to home than we'd like to admit.
I suppose my point is that we should be trying to understand why we are here. If we just condemn or say people are falling for the actions of a grifter then we lose an important part of the analysis required. Why have we created conditions where nastiness and aggressiveness are in vogue and how do you change it?
How can we imagine a different future?
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Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 07:50 - Mar 28 with 1624 views
This whole situation just shows the one shouting loudest are th most narrow minded. To them it’s irrelevant what anyone else thinks in the political world.
If the Lib Dem leader shows up for a meal with Ashton tomorrow as he’s in the area then no one will care too much.
Just because you don’t agree with some policies it’s just the easy ship to jump on. The whole racist this and that. Whereas it’s actually none of that. It’s just willy waving from the loudest ones trying to make everyone else feel they’re wrong if they disagree with a far left approach to life.
Funnily enough, everyone’s different and we still mingle at football. It’s literally only the loud minority of fans still dragging this on to cause a problem.
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Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 08:14 - Mar 28 with 1524 views
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 08:30 - Mar 28 with 1408 views
Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 08:13 - Mar 28 by blueM3
Empty vessels make the most noise.
This whole situation just shows the one shouting loudest are th most narrow minded. To them it’s irrelevant what anyone else thinks in the political world.
If the Lib Dem leader shows up for a meal with Ashton tomorrow as he’s in the area then no one will care too much.
Just because you don’t agree with some policies it’s just the easy ship to jump on. The whole racist this and that. Whereas it’s actually none of that. It’s just willy waving from the loudest ones trying to make everyone else feel they’re wrong if they disagree with a far left approach to life.
Funnily enough, everyone’s different and we still mingle at football. It’s literally only the loud minority of fans still dragging this on to cause a problem.
Fantastic post. 👍
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Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 08:33 - Mar 28 with 1386 views
Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 08:13 - Mar 28 by blueM3
Empty vessels make the most noise.
This whole situation just shows the one shouting loudest are th most narrow minded. To them it’s irrelevant what anyone else thinks in the political world.
If the Lib Dem leader shows up for a meal with Ashton tomorrow as he’s in the area then no one will care too much.
Just because you don’t agree with some policies it’s just the easy ship to jump on. The whole racist this and that. Whereas it’s actually none of that. It’s just willy waving from the loudest ones trying to make everyone else feel they’re wrong if they disagree with a far left approach to life.
Funnily enough, everyone’s different and we still mingle at football. It’s literally only the loud minority of fans still dragging this on to cause a problem.
For the umpteeth time it's not about f'ing reform. It's about platforming a political party, *any* political party, denying it, lying about it and gaslighting the fans, all whilst claiming to be 'apolitical'
Sure, carry on with the "whataboutery" if you want, serves no purpose.
We all, as fans, have been taken for absolute mugs. You may be ok with that. I am not.
There are those on the right who will go "yeah, but, what about Starmer, what about the Greens".
There are those on the left who will scream to high heaven "Farage is a Nazi!!".
None of these are the point (and neither side really do any service to the real issue)
OUR CLUB IS NOT A POLITICAL MOUTHPIECE
WE ARE NOT HERE TO HAVE OUR MONEY TAKEN OFF US AND BE LIED TO.
REPEATEDLY.
Ashton out
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Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 08:59 - Mar 28 with 1321 views
Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 07:12 - Mar 28 by Dubtractor
I trace it back to the brexit vote. The way that was all campaigned for made it all a 'them or us' scenario, it polarised people into 2 groups, and that now seems to be the way that society plays out.
You now see that tactic being used more an more, particularly in politics, and most glaringly in America by Trump.
There’s an interesting gift article in the Atlantic about what’s going on in Hungary at the moment. It’s where this quasi-fascist, populist approach leads if people are daft enough to give people like Orban a foot in the door. The US is well on the same track and we could potentially join them if we’re daft enough to vote in Farage. Farage is a big fan of Orban’s of course and they share advisers, allies and probably financial backers.
because its turned into a classic social media style bubble discourse platform, people surround themselves only with people they agree with, block the others that they dont, that reinforces their belief their views or opinions are the better majority held, and any dissenting voice is beyond the pail and must be jumped on to be corrected.
theres a degree also a feature of social media addiction to performative outbursts and the likes button. people get very upset with down votes it seems, but also use it to measure again what the proper & correct opinions to hold are, so youll see alot of posts simply to gather likes from the same group of people who they follow and it becomes completely circular reinforcement.
and then something comes along and its burst our bubble... (kudos if you remember that song ;) ) even just briefly and then pandemonium ensues.
this isnt something thats come about in the last week, its been there for ages, probably years going as you say back to covid, and then before.
the difference is this week its a combination of the football side of the board and the politics side of the board which have always been uneasy bedfellows, but were allowed to continue as they were even though it created alot of the unnecessary friction on the board between people, and the pressure between the two has simply combusted into the mess it is now.
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Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 11:22 - Mar 28 with 1150 views
Why is TWTD so divided for nowadays? on 07:02 - Mar 28 by ITFC_Forever
It’s society as a whole.
Brexit started it, and it’s gone from there. People had to pick a side, and many were so vocal in their views they can’t now back down, even if something they pinned their colours to the mast for turned out to be a crock of sh1t.
The other factor is social media. Everyone has a voice, so people take a more and more extreme opinion to get themselves noticed.
There’s no room for nuance, subtlety or a middle ground… it’s yes or no, in or out, black or white, jam first or cream first (scum).
A decent sultana scone needs nothing more than plain, simple butter...
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