| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast 15:08 - Jun 9 with 4102 views | noggin |
and planned anti immigrant protests tonight. If true, I fear it could get nasty. This really couldn't have come at a worse time for the UK. [Post edited 9 Jun 15:13]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:19 - Jun 9 with 964 views | Dubtractor |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:22 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
It's impossible on here sometimes. Every comment becomes an exercise in finding the 'real meaning', spotting the hidden agenda or explaining why someone else's concerns aren't valid.
The certainty with which some people declare themselves right is always impressive. The self-awareness, less so.
Anyway, good luck. I should have expected nothing else. |
You literally came into the thread to tell someone else that they shouldn't post what they had posted. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:29 - Jun 9 with 923 views | factual_blue |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:36 - Jun 9 with 874 views | waveneyblue |
And here we go again.....
TownieRob, you're wasting your time trying to make your points (no matter how true/relevant they are) on here.
Theres no point and eventually you will get accused of all sorts.
In the same way that I can guess the names of who will downvote this....
Edit. Evening BigAl, lovely to receive your disapproval as always xx [Post edited 9 Jun 19:57]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:38 - Jun 9 with 853 views | waveneyblue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:22 - Jun 9 by TownieRob |
It's impossible on here sometimes. Every comment becomes an exercise in finding the 'real meaning', spotting the hidden agenda or explaining why someone else's concerns aren't valid.
The certainty with which some people declare themselves right is always impressive. The self-awareness, less so.
Anyway, good luck. I should have expected nothing else. |
So utterly spot on....... | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:40 - Jun 9 with 851 views | itfcjoe |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:36 - Jun 9 by waveneyblue |
And here we go again.....
TownieRob, you're wasting your time trying to make your points (no matter how true/relevant they are) on here.
Theres no point and eventually you will get accused of all sorts.
In the same way that I can guess the names of who will downvote this....
Edit. Evening BigAl, lovely to receive your disapproval as always xx [Post edited 9 Jun 19:57]
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Glad to see the voice of reason is here now |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:46 - Jun 9 with 805 views | MattinLondon |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:36 - Jun 9 by waveneyblue |
And here we go again.....
TownieRob, you're wasting your time trying to make your points (no matter how true/relevant they are) on here.
Theres no point and eventually you will get accused of all sorts.
In the same way that I can guess the names of who will downvote this....
Edit. Evening BigAl, lovely to receive your disapproval as always xx [Post edited 9 Jun 19:57]
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But Rob hasn’t really made any points - he was asked what he actually sees in front of him and he hasn’t responded.
So what if people downvotes your post or any post - it’s simply a shorthand way to disagree with what someone has posted. |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:47 - Jun 9 with 801 views | Dubtractor |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:36 - Jun 9 by waveneyblue |
And here we go again.....
TownieRob, you're wasting your time trying to make your points (no matter how true/relevant they are) on here.
Theres no point and eventually you will get accused of all sorts.
In the same way that I can guess the names of who will downvote this....
Edit. Evening BigAl, lovely to receive your disapproval as always xx [Post edited 9 Jun 19:57]
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You are just about the most one eyed poster on here, whether it was about football during the season, or politics and society now, you are intolerant of any view that doesn't match your own. All whilst bemoaning others lack of tolerance for other views. | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:59 - Jun 9 with 734 views | waveneyblue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:40 - Jun 9 by itfcjoe |
Glad to see the voice of reason is here now |
Thanks mate. Glad you agree. | | | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:00 - Jun 9 with 725 views | waveneyblue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:47 - Jun 9 by Dubtractor |
You are just about the most one eyed poster on here, whether it was about football during the season, or politics and society now, you are intolerant of any view that doesn't match your own. All whilst bemoaning others lack of tolerance for other views. |
Cheers mate. Appreciate the testimonial.
I could return the favour but...
Edit.... im not saying another word on this thread.
I just agree with TownieRob's thoughts and opinions on this board.
Thats it.
Edit again - Please read the above redrickstuhaart - its crystal clear [Post edited 9 Jun 19:20]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:05 - Jun 9 with 713 views | lowhouseblue |
rain is forecast so that may help.
if he flew from paris to dublin - i assume on a eire visitor visa or equivalent - and then crossed the open border, why don't more people do that rather than using the small boat route? |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:05 - Jun 9 with 712 views | bartyg |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 18:12 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
Where is there conspiracy in asking a question?
Please explain. |
The government are suppressing crime numbers? |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:14 - Jun 9 with 646 views | Churchman |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:05 - Jun 9 by bartyg |
The government are suppressing crime numbers? |
Governments do that kind of thing. I’ve seen it done first hand (well close enough to first hand) on more than one occasion. Not conspiracy, just what I’ve seen.
In this instance I never said they were suppressing crime numbers or that Home Office don’t know or are presenting bits of information or guessing it, I asked the question because I don’t know. Perhaps you do?
No conspiracy in that. |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:17 - Jun 9 with 626 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:00 - Jun 9 by waveneyblue |
Cheers mate. Appreciate the testimonial.
I could return the favour but...
Edit.... im not saying another word on this thread.
I just agree with TownieRob's thoughts and opinions on this board.
Thats it.
Edit again - Please read the above redrickstuhaart - its crystal clear [Post edited 9 Jun 19:20]
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Which point are you agreeing with, or will we have to chase you down for 5 pages to get you to actually say? |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:20 - Jun 9 with 603 views | bartyg |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:14 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
Governments do that kind of thing. I’ve seen it done first hand (well close enough to first hand) on more than one occasion. Not conspiracy, just what I’ve seen.
In this instance I never said they were suppressing crime numbers or that Home Office don’t know or are presenting bits of information or guessing it, I asked the question because I don’t know. Perhaps you do?
No conspiracy in that. |
Oh come off it, you offered it up!
Are you stupid?
Oh I'm not calling you stupid, I'm just asking the question. [Post edited 9 Jun 19:20]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:21 - Jun 9 with 585 views | Zx1988 |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 17:19 - Jun 9 by redrickstuhaart |
No. Its a fair and reasonable pre-emption of the way bigots will doubtless try to make dishonest political capital out of it, if it turns out an immigrant was involved.
In passing I will point out that there were 18 recorded paramilitary style assaults / punishment beatings in NI last year. I have a sneaking suspicion that is a much bigger issue than stabbings by immigrants. But that doesn't provide an agenda with leverage... |
That's a very interesting stat regarding paramilitary violence - funny, isn't it, how none of those eighteen incidents seem to have garnered any media attention.
Out of interest - are these stabbings and other incidents that get national coverage the only ones that happen? Or is there some sort of editorial decision as to which incidents are worthy of coverage? | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:23 - Jun 9 with 576 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:17 - Jun 9 by redrickstuhaart |
Which point are you agreeing with, or will we have to chase you down for 5 pages to get you to actually say? |
He never says anything of substance.
Just a top class sh1t stirrer.
Banned before the new season starts I reckon.
Back to the OP - horrible murder.
Another opportunity for Farage Lowe Musk and Yaxley feck face |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:56 - Jun 9 with 458 views | Churchman |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:20 - Jun 9 by bartyg |
Oh come off it, you offered it up!
Are you stupid?
Oh I'm not calling you stupid, I'm just asking the question. [Post edited 9 Jun 19:20]
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You might like to re-read my post. I asked a question. Sometimes you might wish to consider what is written rather than read into what is written something that might not be there.
So you are asking the question of me ‘are you stupid?’
Compared to who? You? That really isn’t for me to say. What do you think? [Post edited 9 Jun 19:59]
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 20:05 - Jun 9 with 421 views | Kievthegreat |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:56 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
You might like to re-read my post. I asked a question. Sometimes you might wish to consider what is written rather than read into what is written something that might not be there.
So you are asking the question of me ‘are you stupid?’
Compared to who? You? That really isn’t for me to say. What do you think? [Post edited 9 Jun 19:59]
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Your question was "Are the government massaging the information?"
That is asking if there is a conspiracy. You can't hide behind 'just asking a question' when someone rightly points out you're suggesting a conspiracy to suppress things. |  | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 20:08 - Jun 9 with 403 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:56 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
You might like to re-read my post. I asked a question. Sometimes you might wish to consider what is written rather than read into what is written something that might not be there.
So you are asking the question of me ‘are you stupid?’
Compared to who? You? That really isn’t for me to say. What do you think? [Post edited 9 Jun 19:59]
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He's getting angrier by the day and back to his usual mo. Rinse and repeat. |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 20:14 - Jun 9 with 367 views | Churchman |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 20:05 - Jun 9 by Kievthegreat |
Your question was "Are the government massaging the information?"
That is asking if there is a conspiracy. You can't hide behind 'just asking a question' when someone rightly points out you're suggesting a conspiracy to suppress things. |
The post said:
‘Open question: has crime gone down or has reported and/or recorded crime gone down?
I ask because with the tories taking an axe to police numbers, stations closed, advice given to not stop shoplifters, burglaries not investigated (anecdotal statement - I’ve no evidence), is everything/anything recorded?
Are the government massaging the information? Governments do that for political gain or survival. I’ve seen it done.’
It starts with the two words ‘Open question’. No hiding, no suggestion. The first two words. I then give the explanation as to why I’m asking the question. Is it a valid one to ask? I believe so because I’ve seen their predecessors do such stuff.
If I’d said ‘I believe etc etc etc’ your point might be valid. But I didn’t. No hiding. I asked a question. If your answer is no. The Government would never do such a thing or the evidence a b c says no, fine. | | | |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 20:16 - Jun 9 with 356 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 20:05 - Jun 9 by Kievthegreat |
Your question was "Are the government massaging the information?"
That is asking if there is a conspiracy. You can't hide behind 'just asking a question' when someone rightly points out you're suggesting a conspiracy to suppress things. |
Not crime related, but successive governments have been accused of massaging the unemployment figures, NHS waiting lists, spending etc.
As for last night's attack. It was more than a knife attack. It was an atemopt at decapitation, which has shocked a lot of people.
If you said Joe bloggs was stabbed outside the local shopping centre then most people would respond with a shrug of the shoulders. But the video, and I wish I hadn't seen it, is genuinely shocking.
Unfortunately, Farage, Robinson, Lowe and co will mobilise the knuckle draggers and capitalise on this. | |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 20:17 - Jun 9 with 342 views | Bigalhunter |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:00 - Jun 9 by waveneyblue |
Cheers mate. Appreciate the testimonial.
I could return the favour but...
Edit.... im not saying another word on this thread.
I just agree with TownieRob's thoughts and opinions on this board.
Thats it.
Edit again - Please read the above redrickstuhaart - its crystal clear [Post edited 9 Jun 19:20]
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Just one of an ever-increasing number of posters who’ve worked out you’re an utterly pointless, argumentative little chap with zero self-awareness.
You carry on filling your boots though, tiger, it’s obviously filling some desperate void….
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 20:36 - Jun 9 with 237 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 19:00 - Jun 9 by waveneyblue |
Cheers mate. Appreciate the testimonial.
I could return the favour but...
Edit.... im not saying another word on this thread.
I just agree with TownieRob's thoughts and opinions on this board.
Thats it.
Edit again - Please read the above redrickstuhaart - its crystal clear [Post edited 9 Jun 19:20]
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"Edit.... im not saying another word on this thread."
How's that going for you Wavers? |  |
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| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 20:37 - Jun 9 with 226 views | Kievthegreat |
| Seeing reports of a knife attack in Belfast on 20:14 - Jun 9 by Churchman |
The post said:
‘Open question: has crime gone down or has reported and/or recorded crime gone down?
I ask because with the tories taking an axe to police numbers, stations closed, advice given to not stop shoplifters, burglaries not investigated (anecdotal statement - I’ve no evidence), is everything/anything recorded?
Are the government massaging the information? Governments do that for political gain or survival. I’ve seen it done.’
It starts with the two words ‘Open question’. No hiding, no suggestion. The first two words. I then give the explanation as to why I’m asking the question. Is it a valid one to ask? I believe so because I’ve seen their predecessors do such stuff.
If I’d said ‘I believe etc etc etc’ your point might be valid. But I didn’t. No hiding. I asked a question. If your answer is no. The Government would never do such a thing or the evidence a b c says no, fine. |
Stow shared a link to Fraser Nelson (someone I don't particularly care for) and he comes with multiples avenues of evidence. He uses crime survey results to show that crime has reduced by 50% in the last 20 years. He uses survey's because it captures those instances where crime may not be reported. Not a perfect measure, but a 50% fall is indicative of falling crime.
He also bring in the number of murders. While someone may not report a stolen bike as they know the underfunded police will just write a report and tell you womp womp, murder would naturally have a higher report rate. This has gone down from a peak in the early 2000s (note the high point on his graph includes 173 victims of Harold Shipman which skews things slightly), but has still seen a significant reduction. Down about 40% in England and Wales if you remove Harold Shipman's victims all being counted in one year. In London, the horrific crime ridden hell hole it's down even further, the rate of murders is down over 60%.
Then as has also been pointed out elsewhere in the thread, we get data on assaults and stabbings from the NHS, significantly reduces admissions across all types. Still potential that some attacks don't go to the Hospital, but I don't think over the last 20 years half of people who are assaulted have decided to just not bother with the NHS.
What's actually interesting is that recorded crime, the thing you suggested they massage doesn't show any real decline. It shows a slight upwards trend in violence while surveys and hospitals say the opposite. That suggests either the crime surveys have degraded in accuracy and the NHS are somehow missing huge numbers of patients, or that the police have actually got better at recording crimes (even if they don't do a good job of solving a lot of them).
Either way, I'm not sure you can safely argue there is any 'massaging' unless you've got some actual data to back it up.
Link to the Fraser Nelson article. All his data is sourced under each graphic. I referred to the 1st, 2nd, 3, 4th/5th (same data with different filters) and 7th charts.
https://frasernelson.substack. | | | |
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