| A good day for the Govt 11:47 - Jun 15 with 3142 views | itfcjoe |
Social media ban for U16s announced, very popular and important
Home Office wins appeal against prescribing Palestine Action as a terrorist organisation |  |
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| A good day for the Govt on 11:58 - Jun 15 with 2458 views | BelsteadCav |
Saw that and thought “ great idea”
Until you find out the one app that isn’t on the banned list
Blue sky |  |
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| A good day for the Govt on 12:01 - Jun 15 with 2414 views | bartyg |
| A good day for the Govt on 11:58 - Jun 15 by BelsteadCav |
Saw that and thought “ great idea”
Until you find out the one app that isn’t on the banned list
Blue sky |
The children are flocking to bluesky and learning about Das Kapital |  |
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| A good day for the Govt on 12:19 - Jun 15 with 2265 views | leitrimblue |
Thank feck for that, will definitely sleep safer in my bed tonight knowing that people wishing to protest against genocide are now terrorists |  | | |
| A good day for the Govt on 12:21 - Jun 15 with 2239 views | DanTheMan |
| A good day for the Govt on 11:58 - Jun 15 by BelsteadCav |
Saw that and thought “ great idea”
Until you find out the one app that isn’t on the banned list
Blue sky |
Neither is Discord, which will have a far higher U16 user-base.
There's no conspiracy here. |  |
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| A good day for the Govt on 12:23 - Jun 15 with 2213 views | Dubtractor |
| A good day for the Govt on 11:58 - Jun 15 by BelsteadCav |
Saw that and thought “ great idea”
Until you find out the one app that isn’t on the banned list
Blue sky |
No teenager is going on blue sky for their social media dopamine hit. Its full of fairly dull middle aged people, like me. |  |
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| A good day for the Govt on 12:24 - Jun 15 with 2180 views | JammyDodgerrr |
It's a good step towards what is needed, but the wrong one imo. It is not encouraging the social media companies to fix any of their known problematic issues, but hopefully this is just setting the direction of travel |  |
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| A good day for the Govt on 12:35 - Jun 15 with 2060 views | NedPlimpton |
| A good day for the Govt on 11:58 - Jun 15 by BelsteadCav |
Saw that and thought “ great idea”
Until you find out the one app that isn’t on the banned list
Blue sky |
It isn't "the one app" that's not banned
In all honesty it's too small to even register. If kids start flocking to it then I'm sure it'll get included on the list
There's tonnes of other social media platforms that also aren't on the banned list. This really doesn't need to be a culture war thing |  | | |
| A good day for the Govt on 12:35 - Jun 15 with 2059 views | SmithersJones |
| A good day for the Govt on 12:24 - Jun 15 by JammyDodgerrr |
It's a good step towards what is needed, but the wrong one imo. It is not encouraging the social media companies to fix any of their known problematic issues, but hopefully this is just setting the direction of travel |
Alternatively, it’s a lot easier to pressurise social media companies to take action if the law demands it. Appreciate it’s much harder if it’s only the UK and a few others who are introducing a ban, but I can see the sense in it as part of a wider approach. |  | | |
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| A good day for the Govt on 12:36 - Jun 15 with 2048 views | surreyblue |
| A good day for the Govt on 12:24 - Jun 15 by JammyDodgerrr |
It's a good step towards what is needed, but the wrong one imo. It is not encouraging the social media companies to fix any of their known problematic issues, but hopefully this is just setting the direction of travel |
I suspect engagement has been tried and failed. Perhaps action by the govt will prompt action by the SM companies... | | | |
| A good day for the Govt on 12:46 - Jun 15 with 1978 views | wrightsrightglove |
It’s great in theory, but how do they actually enact it in practice? In the days of VPNs isn’t it almost impossible to enforce? | | | |
| A good day for the Govt on 13:00 - Jun 15 with 1864 views | DanTheMan |
| A good day for the Govt on 12:46 - Jun 15 by wrightsrightglove |
It’s great in theory, but how do they actually enact it in practice? In the days of VPNs isn’t it almost impossible to enforce? |
No, although there argument is that you cannot reasonably enforce that they don't drink alcohol or smoke / vape either, but it doesn't mean you don't try and limit the harm done. I do see where they are coming from.
I personally preferred the other options they were looking at but hey ho. | |
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| A good day for the Govt on 15:42 - Jun 15 with 1462 views | jayessess |
The second one is more "bad day for any respect anyone had for judicial independence" than "good day for the government".
From the Government's perspective it just commits them to continuing the politically braindead practice of arresting pensioners for holding up signs (and thus reminding a large section of their likely/possible voters of why they dislike them). [Post edited 15 Jun 15:50]
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| A good day for the Govt on 15:44 - Jun 15 with 1435 views | Benters |
So at 16 they can.
Get married.
Have children.
Join the armed forces.
And now look at FB.
How exciting.
Edited for Balls. [Post edited 15 Jun 15:46]
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| A good day for the Govt on 15:45 - Jun 15 with 1442 views | Kievthegreat |
| A good day for the Govt on 11:58 - Jun 15 by BelsteadCav |
Saw that and thought “ great idea”
Until you find out the one app that isn’t on the banned list
Blue sky |
I mean it's probably far simpler. They only list apps/services that have enough membership or membership within that demographic to be relevant.
You'll notice they haven't announced that the ban will apply to TWTD or every internet forum. If you want a balance among twitter-esque sites, they also haven't announced restrictions on TruthSocial either. |  | | |
| A good day for the Govt on 15:47 - Jun 15 with 1398 views | NedPlimpton |
| A good day for the Govt on 15:44 - Jun 15 by Benters |
So at 16 they can.
Get married.
Have children.
Join the armed forces.
And now look at FB.
How exciting.
Edited for Balls. [Post edited 15 Jun 15:46]
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And vote!
But still not drink or smoke | | | |
| A good day for the Govt on 15:48 - Jun 15 with 1373 views | Benters |
| A good day for the Govt on 15:47 - Jun 15 by NedPlimpton |
And vote!
But still not drink or smoke |
Legally.
Those little dears will get it somehow. | |
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| A good day for the Govt on 15:49 - Jun 15 with 1381 views | Kievthegreat |
| A good day for the Govt on 13:00 - Jun 15 by DanTheMan |
No, although there argument is that you cannot reasonably enforce that they don't drink alcohol or smoke / vape either, but it doesn't mean you don't try and limit the harm done. I do see where they are coming from.
I personally preferred the other options they were looking at but hey ho. |
Although when laws are made to prevent young people from buying alcohol, it's done in tandem with legal culpability and punishments for shop keepers selling it in violation.
The government's approach to child safety online seems to be (IMO) focusing on users and absolving the social media companies of responsibility. | | | |
| A good day for the Govt on 15:53 - Jun 15 with 1360 views | jayessess |
| A good day for the Govt on 15:49 - Jun 15 by Kievthegreat |
Although when laws are made to prevent young people from buying alcohol, it's done in tandem with legal culpability and punishments for shop keepers selling it in violation.
The government's approach to child safety online seems to be (IMO) focusing on users and absolving the social media companies of responsibility. |
Scared/deferential towards Musk/Zuckerberg, aren't they.
Also, wait until everyone of voting age discovers all the personal info they're going to have fork over to wildly untrustworthy tech fascists to make this stuff work. | |
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| A good day for the Govt on 16:12 - Jun 15 with 1296 views | positivity |
| A good day for the Govt on 15:45 - Jun 15 by Kievthegreat |
I mean it's probably far simpler. They only list apps/services that have enough membership or membership within that demographic to be relevant.
You'll notice they haven't announced that the ban will apply to TWTD or every internet forum. If you want a balance among twitter-esque sites, they also haven't announced restrictions on TruthSocial either. |
the culture worriers on the right will always find something to clutch their pearls about! | |
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| A good day for the Govt on 16:27 - Jun 15 with 1213 views | reusersfreekicks |
| A good day for the Govt on 11:58 - Jun 15 by BelsteadCav |
Saw that and thought “ great idea”
Until you find out the one app that isn’t on the banned list
Blue sky |
Don't worry Rupert Lowe doesn't use Blue Sky |  | | |
| A good day for the Govt on 16:29 - Jun 15 with 1198 views | reusersfreekicks |
| A good day for the Govt on 12:19 - Jun 15 by leitrimblue |
Thank feck for that, will definitely sleep safer in my bed tonight knowing that people wishing to protest against genocide are now terrorists |
Is this before any meaningful action against Israel?
What a time to be alive when this is deemed to be progress or important
Depressing | | | |
| A good day for the Govt on 16:45 - Jun 15 with 1135 views | Axeldalai_lama |
Now they just need to teach critical thinking and analysis, incorporating drive for clicks, fake news and reality of interpreting AI. Otherwise you're left with parents thinking they've won the battle and just kicking the can until kids are 16.
The only potential good thing about exposure to socials and generally having a digital consumption pre 16 is the ability for parents to talk to their kids about the realities of what they are looking at and how individuals and companies may exploit them one way or another.
Broadly good news but by no means a cure all. |  | | |
| A good day for the Govt on 19:29 - Jun 15 with 998 views | Kievthegreat |
Appreciate the main topic of discussion has been the social media ban, but this is quite amusing from the judge in the Palestine Action case:
"It (Palestine Action) is not - as claimed - a direct action civil disobedience protest group like the suffragettes, operating transparently in the open,"
The Suffragettes conducted arson attacks and bombings across the UK including letter bombs to opponents like judges and government ministers. The Pankhurst's openly called themselves terrorists, they labelled their campaign as a "reign of terror". Definitely sounds like direct action civil disobedience protest and not terrorism to me.
I think because the cause was undoubtedly a righteous one and the Establishments retaliation was brutal, that some people think the Suffragettes were far cuddlier than the reality. Arguably their extreme militancy was harmful to the cause of Women's Suffrage.
Personally, I found it quite funny because if judged today, the government would likely proscribe the WSPU as a terrorist organisation today. | | | |
| A good day for the Govt on 19:36 - Jun 15 with 967 views | redrickstuhaart |
| A good day for the Govt on 15:42 - Jun 15 by jayessess |
The second one is more "bad day for any respect anyone had for judicial independence" than "good day for the government".
From the Government's perspective it just commits them to continuing the politically braindead practice of arresting pensioners for holding up signs (and thus reminding a large section of their likely/possible voters of why they dislike them). [Post edited 15 Jun 15:50]
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Nothing to do with judicial independence. The ruling was that the decision was lawful.
Judicial review can only address, in that sort of situation, whether the decision was reached through proper processes, or was actively irrational. Otherwise it is lawful even if the court disagrees with it. The court is deciding whether it is lawful, not whether it is a good decision. Parliament is sovereign. [Post edited 15 Jun 20:07]
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