| Starmer set to resign on Monday 21:25 - Jun 20 with 17066 views | SitfcB |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:26 - Jun 22 with 890 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 10:23 - Jun 22 by lowhouseblue |
starmer got corbyn and his anti-semitic mates out of the party and you're very bitter about it. it's ok, we get it. |
It didn’t take the cranks long to start digging.
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:28 - Jun 22 with 895 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:26 - Jun 22 by grow_our_own |
We aren't a rich country and we run a deficit of ~5% of GDP. We're just above Slovenia in real, per person wealth: https://tradingeconomics.com/c
Mostly due to Brexit self-flagilation, the cost of servicing our 94% debt is the highest among similar countries.
Ultimately we must make difficult choices. The first priority of a govt must be to defend its citizens. |
We are a rich country.
The debt is crippling though. |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:28 - Jun 22 with 893 views | jayessess |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:15 - Jun 22 by grow_our_own |
"welfare reform and maintaining the 2-child cap wouldn't fly with their MPs." - dude, Russia is literally shooting at British boats in the English channel. We must assume we've lost the only thing (USA) keeping Europe from being further invaded by a brutal dictatorship to our east. Welfare reform is needed. We aren't rich enough to avoid the difficult choice between maintaining welfare at current level and defence. |
Russia has taken half a decade to advance 100km into Ukraine and has basically exhausted their economy to even do that. Britain already has the 6th-highest military spending in the world.
But that's tangential to the point here. If you want to go on a big ideological crusade that cutting PIP and keeping children in poverty is necessary to fund defense, even if it puts a massive, ultimately fatal, hole in your political coalition, well, you can't turn round and say that you're making pragmatic decisions to maintain yourselves in power! |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:51 - Jun 22 with 822 views | grow_our_own |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:28 - Jun 22 by redrickstuhaart |
We are a rich country.
The debt is crippling though. |
There's a decent size pie, but the quantity of mouths feeding from it makes it mid-size. Hence we're only mid-table in Europe, about level with Slovenia. "Sixth biggest" economy in the world is a fallacy. It drives oversize expectations and the Prime Minister carousel. Must prioritise productivity & the economy. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:05]
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:57 - Jun 22 with 794 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 10:27 - Jun 22 by grow_our_own |
"No decent man appoints Peter Mandelson." - we faced dealing with a total f#cking maniac in the White House. A maniac who is heavily implicated in Epstein scandal. I think glossing over Epstein links in the appointment of a piffling foreign ambassador, one who was (for obvious reasons) not involved in the abuse of girls, and likely to strike up a "backs to the wall" kin-ship with our most powerful ally, was a minor mistake, and not worthy of the media storm it caused.
"list of 'pledges' he has no intention" - Labour was unelectable. Its members would have continued to vote in anti-semite leaders who want to destroy capitalism unless someone sane stood up to them.
"demonising immigrants" - agreed. And Starmer apologised for that speech shortly after. But have you seen the polls? Reform govt would be armageddon. It's not surprising panic-stations lead to the odd miss-step.
That cutting off water/power comment was an off the cuff remark in one interview, and he reversed it on several occasions since. There are no good guys in Netanyahu vs Hamas. Both have been mass-murdering innocents. Starmer's govt recognised Palestine, and advocated a two state solution, which is the only way forward.
Versus austerity, Brexit, bungling a covid response, and Trussonomics, Starmer's govt has been a roaring success. |
A roaring success?!
It's been an absolute catastrophe on every conceivable level.
Centrist dads might not be able to ever admit that they were wrong but that doesn't change the material reality.
The Labour right ladies and gentleman. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:04]
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:58 - Jun 22 with 791 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:51 - Jun 22 by grow_our_own |
There's a decent size pie, but the quantity of mouths feeding from it makes it mid-size. Hence we're only mid-table in Europe, about level with Slovenia. "Sixth biggest" economy in the world is a fallacy. It drives oversize expectations and the Prime Minister carousel. Must prioritise productivity & the economy. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:05]
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People have supposedly been targetting productivity, the economy and growth for the last 20 years. Like most countries at our level of development, constant significant growth really isnt a thing anymore. Time to start accepting that there are better measures of success than growth, and that it is not likely to be the answer to all our troubles, if only we could suddenly go back to the 80s. | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:00 - Jun 22 with 778 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:57 - Jun 22 by jasondozzell |
A roaring success?!
It's been an absolute catastrophe on every conceivable level.
Centrist dads might not be able to ever admit that they were wrong but that doesn't change the material reality.
The Labour right ladies and gentleman. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:04]
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Thats simply untrue though. You appear to be immune to facts!
Growth is okayish. Immigration and small boats down. Inflation under control (though more to do). NHS waiting lists down. Crime down. Knife crime down.
What is it you want? | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:02 - Jun 22 with 746 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:00 - Jun 22 by redrickstuhaart |
Thats simply untrue though. You appear to be immune to facts!
Growth is okayish. Immigration and small boats down. Inflation under control (though more to do). NHS waiting lists down. Crime down. Knife crime down.
What is it you want? |
he wants jeremy  |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:03 - Jun 22 with 757 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:00 - Jun 22 by redrickstuhaart |
Thats simply untrue though. You appear to be immune to facts!
Growth is okayish. Immigration and small boats down. Inflation under control (though more to do). NHS waiting lists down. Crime down. Knife crime down.
What is it you want? |
The country is falling apart.
I want principles and policies. Not the navel gazing vacuum of the Labour right and their cronies.
What a disgrace. | | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:03 - Jun 22 with 752 views | MattinLondon |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 10:33 - Jun 22 by Benters |
Blub |
You have a strange interpretation of what constitutes a blub. |  | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:06 - Jun 22 with 724 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 10:25 - Jun 22 by EdwardStone |
To be a succesful leader requires some specific skills
The most critical of which is the skill of leadership
The ability to inspire, to get people who wouldn't ordinarily agree with you on your side, to be bold, visionary and uplift the nation
I saw Thatcher in her prime.... although I thoroughly disagreed with much of what she did, she actually had these qualities
I was awestruck by the wonderous leadership of Nelson Mandela; inspirational in his humility and humanity. He took on a near impossible situation and aced it
Bye bye then Sir Kier, a decent man in the wrong job |
Not a decent man. | | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:06 - Jun 22 with 719 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:03 - Jun 22 by jasondozzell |
The country is falling apart.
I want principles and policies. Not the navel gazing vacuum of the Labour right and their cronies.
What a disgrace. |
You criticised the suggestion that what Starmer has done eclipses what the previous government was achieving.
But, as usual, that is not the position you will defend. As soon as challenged, you move to ideological assertions and complaints again.
Which polices are you wanting? Top 3. Go! | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:07 - Jun 22 with 703 views | bluelagos |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 09:49 - Jun 22 by NthQldITFC |
I assumed it was him, but Mason said "people" I think, so wondered if it was another group. Point stands. It could be Thatcher or Fartage standing down and I'd feel the same way about having some bleedin' dignity. |
You either believe in free speech and the right to protest or you don't.
He is exercising both and no one should be telling him (or anyone else) where or when it is appropriate to peacefully protest imho. |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:11 - Jun 22 with 683 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:07 - Jun 22 by bluelagos |
You either believe in free speech and the right to protest or you don't.
He is exercising both and no one should be telling him (or anyone else) where or when it is appropriate to peacefully protest imho. |
Of course you should.
We can exercise our free speech to say that this particular protest is devoid of clause and decency, regardless of whether he's entitled. | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:12 - Jun 22 with 673 views | grow_our_own |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 11:58 - Jun 22 by redrickstuhaart |
People have supposedly been targetting productivity, the economy and growth for the last 20 years. Like most countries at our level of development, constant significant growth really isnt a thing anymore. Time to start accepting that there are better measures of success than growth, and that it is not likely to be the answer to all our troubles, if only we could suddenly go back to the 80s. |
"People have supposedly been targetting productivity, the economy and growth for the last 20 years" - no, successive British govts have impeded it. Through austerity and then Brexit. Most similar countries recovered much better since the financial crash. Brexit lopped a 4% chunk from our GDP every year, equivalent to the annual income of three million people. Stupid choices lead to difficult choices like defence vs welfare. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:13]
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:16 - Jun 22 with 641 views | bartyg |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 09:31 - Jun 22 by Benters |
God help us all. |
Stunning political insight from you, as per |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:17 - Jun 22 with 629 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:16 - Jun 22 by bartyg |
Stunning political insight from you, as per |
He's right though. | | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:21 - Jun 22 with 593 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:12 - Jun 22 by grow_our_own |
"People have supposedly been targetting productivity, the economy and growth for the last 20 years" - no, successive British govts have impeded it. Through austerity and then Brexit. Most similar countries recovered much better since the financial crash. Brexit lopped a 4% chunk from our GDP every year, equivalent to the annual income of three million people. Stupid choices lead to difficult choices like defence vs welfare. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:13]
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The people voted for brexit, not the government. But sure. There have been things which have damaged it. But the biggest impacts have been covid, truss, and Ukraine war.
Whats the solution? Because borrowing is crippling. More of it is going to be an issue. Cutting welfare is likely to damage growth because unsupported people get ever more expensive with health/ mental health, housing, and other crisis needs. | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:23 - Jun 22 with 583 views | giant_stow |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:03 - Jun 22 by jasondozzell |
The country is falling apart.
I want principles and policies. Not the navel gazing vacuum of the Labour right and their cronies.
What a disgrace. |
'The country is falling apart.'
Rings a bell. |  |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:24 - Jun 22 with 580 views | bartyg |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:17 - Jun 22 by jasondozzell |
He's right though. |
I wouldn't take too much comfort from a broken-clock Benters endorsement. His only thought on the matter is "labour man bad" | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:24 - Jun 22 with 573 views | leitrimblue |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:00 - Jun 22 by redrickstuhaart |
Thats simply untrue though. You appear to be immune to facts!
Growth is okayish. Immigration and small boats down. Inflation under control (though more to do). NHS waiting lists down. Crime down. Knife crime down.
What is it you want? |
Sounds like you brits have never had it so good. Starmer and Labour must be so popular  |  | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:25 - Jun 22 with 573 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:23 - Jun 22 by giant_stow |
'The country is falling apart.'
Rings a bell. |
It is.
And we've wasted a decade on this most wretched project by the Labour right who threw a tantrum because they insist on being important people with huge kitchen islands in zone 2. | | | |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:26 - Jun 22 with 560 views | jasondozzell |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:24 - Jun 22 by bartyg |
I wouldn't take too much comfort from a broken-clock Benters endorsement. His only thought on the matter is "labour man bad" |
Well he's right. And until the centrist dads who have demanded that they be listened to wake up and smell the coffee this is going to continue.. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:26]
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:27 - Jun 22 with 547 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:26 - Jun 22 by jasondozzell |
Well he's right. And until the centrist dads who have demanded that they be listened to wake up and smell the coffee this is going to continue.. [Post edited 22 Jun 12:26]
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You continue to criticise "centrist dads" as if the phrase on its own conveys some meaning and inherently valid criticism.
What are your top 3 policy requirements, and how do we go about achieving them? | |
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| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:29 - Jun 22 with 527 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Starmer set to resign on Monday on 12:24 - Jun 22 by leitrimblue |
Sounds like you brits have never had it so good. Starmer and Labour must be so popular |
Well this is the bizarre and troubling thing.
Most people when asked dont know this stuff and believe that everything is bad, per farage and social media. Most cant really explain what Starmer is going wrong. They just shout "two tier kier" or some such nonsense. | |
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