| Coventry in for a shock 19:23 - Jul 27 with 8460 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
I think, a few of their fans are getting a bit twitchy about the lack of incoming transfers and a narrative has started up that, "Hull and Ipswich need to do far more that us before the kick off, that's why we won the league so easily".
I'd argue it's Cov and Hull who need to do the most work, they are also predicting themselves to finish anywhere up to 12th.
Quite a lot of naivety over there at the moment. |  |
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| Coventry in for a shock on 22:39 - Jul 27 with 1631 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Coventry in for a shock on 21:51 - Jul 27 by ReusersTown |
I think that 'power and pace' isn't really a good read on their squad. And is influenced by a few players up top (Wright, Simms, Mason Clarke). The rest of the squad is severely lacking in both I'd say, particularly at CB and CM. |
I would stand by 100% what I said. They did have a good balance and I said they had more power and pace players. As a comparison to us I think that's completely true as a statement. I think we had better technical footballers but we didn't really have many blistering pace players and they certainly had bigger players.
Very quick:
Onyeka - was clocked as Brentfords fastest player and powerful
Van Ewijk - one of the fastest in the league
Mason Clarke - quick and extremely powerful
Thomas Asante - quick and powerful
Sakamoto - quick
Markelo - quick
Haji Wright - very quick and good strength
Simms - very strong and quicker then he looks.
They had Esse and another quick loan lad as well but obviously gone.
Burns and O'Shea are pretty quick but it's an area we are improving with Maeda, Fatawu and Emersonn hopefully.... |  |
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| Coventry in for a shock on 22:42 - Jul 27 with 1607 views | RetroBlue |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:35 - Jul 27 by StNeotsBlue |
17th is definitely the aim but so far I am not confident we've got enough to achieve it. Enough time still to change that so fingers crossed. |
Out of interest, what players do you think we should be getting in through the door to achieve survival? |  |
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| Coventry in for a shock on 22:47 - Jul 27 with 1584 views | football |
| Coventry in for a shock on 20:05 - Jul 27 by pingu67 |
Reviewing that list, i'd say they are better than hull and that's it |
Their fans are incredibly naive and arrogant. They are in for a fight and I'm all in for watching. | | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:49 - Jul 27 with 1579 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Coventry in for a shock on 19:37 - Jul 27 by armchaircritic59 |
Considering we gave them a month or so's start, I wouldn't be quite so bullish if I was them. Sunderland didn't do too badly last season after winning the play off's, never mind finishing top, or second. I would read absolutely nothing into the top end of the Championship last season, it's not very relevant. |
We actually got 2 more points from our 2nd half of the season than they did from theirs (games 24 - 46).
Who knows what will happen, they do have an element of continuity in the dugout that we don't this season, but I do think they're in for the same rude awakening we were 2 years ago. Not sure the fixture list has been kind to them either, as it wasn't for us. Sunderland showed the value of riding that wave of momentum as long as possible, 2 of Cov's opening 3 games are away to Arsenal and Man City, followed by Brighton which might well be the penny drop moment after the inevitable 'yeah but we won't face tougher games than those' when 'a club like Brighton' pisses all over you on your own patch. That 2nd game against Hull is already looking like a big one for both sides. |  | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:52 - Jul 27 with 1564 views | football |
| Coventry in for a shock on 19:57 - Jul 27 by BluedanW |
I have heard so many pundits on talk sport say Coventry most likely to stay up. They mention the fact they have Frank Lampard. He has had one decent season in about 5 as a manager. Mckenna wasnt enough to keep us up last time, they are in for a shock. Also the fact they won the league comfortably will backfire on them, as I think that was more due to the I consistency of the rest of the top 6. They need many more signings, just like we do. |
Ditto. Dont get it. Their squad isn't good enough | | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:53 - Jul 27 with 1556 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:42 - Jul 27 by RetroBlue |
Out of interest, what players do you think we should be getting in through the door to achieve survival? |
I have no idea but I think we'd be in for a season of struggle if we lined up against Sunderland with just the players in the door at the moment.
Aside from Leif, Diop, O'Shea, possibly Greaves, J Clarke, Philogene (if he stays), Matisiwa and the big Dutch guy in goal there isn't a lot of players in our squad who you'd think are up to doing a job week in week out in the Prem. [Post edited 27 Jul 22:55]
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| Coventry in for a shock on 22:57 - Jul 27 with 1528 views | football |
| Coventry in for a shock on 20:09 - Jul 27 by StNeotsBlue |
I don't get why people do this, you are highlighting one fans opinion and then conflating it as Coventry fans en masse. It's like me saying all women are mental based on my mental ex-wife. |
There are quite a few in fairness | | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 23:04 - Jul 27 with 1485 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:39 - Jul 27 by Nutkins_Return |
I would stand by 100% what I said. They did have a good balance and I said they had more power and pace players. As a comparison to us I think that's completely true as a statement. I think we had better technical footballers but we didn't really have many blistering pace players and they certainly had bigger players.
Very quick:
Onyeka - was clocked as Brentfords fastest player and powerful
Van Ewijk - one of the fastest in the league
Mason Clarke - quick and extremely powerful
Thomas Asante - quick and powerful
Sakamoto - quick
Markelo - quick
Haji Wright - very quick and good strength
Simms - very strong and quicker then he looks.
They had Esse and another quick loan lad as well but obviously gone.
Burns and O'Shea are pretty quick but it's an area we are improving with Maeda, Fatawu and Emersonn hopefully.... |
Clarke and Philogene are both very fast. Pretty much nothing between Onyeka and Jayden (36 vs 35 km/h). I don’t get why people think some of our players aren’t amongst the fastest in the PL/Championship. Maybe it was how we played last season, but if you watched the GeniusIQ replays you didn’t even need to rely on your eye - the tracking was there to see. | | | |
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| Coventry in for a shock on 23:08 - Jul 27 with 1473 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:49 - Jul 27 by _CliveBaker_ |
We actually got 2 more points from our 2nd half of the season than they did from theirs (games 24 - 46).
Who knows what will happen, they do have an element of continuity in the dugout that we don't this season, but I do think they're in for the same rude awakening we were 2 years ago. Not sure the fixture list has been kind to them either, as it wasn't for us. Sunderland showed the value of riding that wave of momentum as long as possible, 2 of Cov's opening 3 games are away to Arsenal and Man City, followed by Brighton which might well be the penny drop moment after the inevitable 'yeah but we won't face tougher games than those' when 'a club like Brighton' pisses all over you on your own patch. That 2nd game against Hull is already looking like a big one for both sides. |
Over the entire season Coventry overachieved against expected stats - and most of that was influenced by a first third of the season. The expected table based on performance metrics had us finishing ahead of them, and top of the table. And that’s with our terrible start to the season.
At the end of the day it’s points on the board that matter, but their performance data suggest they overachieved by some margin. | | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 23:09 - Jul 27 with 1475 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:53 - Jul 27 by StNeotsBlue |
I have no idea but I think we'd be in for a season of struggle if we lined up against Sunderland with just the players in the door at the moment.
Aside from Leif, Diop, O'Shea, possibly Greaves, J Clarke, Philogene (if he stays), Matisiwa and the big Dutch guy in goal there isn't a lot of players in our squad who you'd think are up to doing a job week in week out in the Prem. [Post edited 27 Jul 22:55]
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I certainly think we're short right now. Not of Hull or Coventry, but certainly of the 1 other we would need to outpace. The sides flirting with relegation last season were Spurs, Forest, Palace etc, I think we're some way short of them. West Ham were a bit of a basket case but they went down with a better squad than we've got now.
Its a big gap to bridge, I think we've got too many who wouldn't get near 17 squads in the division. Mehmeti, Nunez, Akpom, Furlong, Kipre, Johnson, Taylor, Egeli, Hirst, Burns. Possibly 1 or 2 more. No shade on any of them, all good players, I just think they're a bit short of being PL quality. Its one thing having 4 or 5 in the squad, but when they're making up 50% of your outfield options it looks a tall order. I think we probably need another 7 or 8 of a higher quality, whether we can do that over the next few weeks remains to be seen. Reality is you can't build a PL ready squad in the Championship, and its a lot of work to close the huge gap and implement a double digit number of signings in a couple of months.
I think we need to prove ourselves as the best of the promoted sides, and hope AN other shits the bed somewhat. | | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 23:20 - Jul 27 with 1430 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Coventry in for a shock on 23:04 - Jul 27 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Clarke and Philogene are both very fast. Pretty much nothing between Onyeka and Jayden (36 vs 35 km/h). I don’t get why people think some of our players aren’t amongst the fastest in the PL/Championship. Maybe it was how we played last season, but if you watched the GeniusIQ replays you didn’t even need to rely on your eye - the tracking was there to see. |
I don't think Clarke is "very fast". He's certainly not slow but as wingers go he would be middling at best. Philogene has got pace but he doesn't burst past people.much. I haven't seen that clocked speed for him. 34km/h seems.to come.up.
They also certainly don't tick the power category.
You are probably right I'm the "how we played" contributing to not looking as quick and maybe how the opposition played. But we do have quite a lot of players who lack pace and would be top players with it e.g. Nunez, Mehmeti . Not sure on Egeli as I think there is more pace to unlock.
Coventry defence would worry me and they don't have nearly as much quality in depth as us.
Davis is pretty rapid to be fair.
Anyway probably rambled on a bit now on speed. | |
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| Coventry in for a shock on 23:43 - Jul 27 with 1373 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Coventry in for a shock on 23:20 - Jul 27 by Nutkins_Return |
I don't think Clarke is "very fast". He's certainly not slow but as wingers go he would be middling at best. Philogene has got pace but he doesn't burst past people.much. I haven't seen that clocked speed for him. 34km/h seems.to come.up.
They also certainly don't tick the power category.
You are probably right I'm the "how we played" contributing to not looking as quick and maybe how the opposition played. But we do have quite a lot of players who lack pace and would be top players with it e.g. Nunez, Mehmeti . Not sure on Egeli as I think there is more pace to unlock.
Coventry defence would worry me and they don't have nearly as much quality in depth as us.
Davis is pretty rapid to be fair.
Anyway probably rambled on a bit now on speed. |
I don’t disagree on power side, but was picking up on the suggestion that we have no quick players. Some are seriously at the top of the recorded speeds. And I completely forgot Davis, who is up there too.
This also overlooks our fastest player. Ogbene at 37km/h. Only a small handful of players get to that sort of burst of pace. | | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 00:07 - Jul 28 with 1328 views | armchaircritic59 |
| Coventry in for a shock on 20:15 - Jul 27 by Cheltenham_Blue |
That's what it seems to be yes. They definitely need to get some work done in the transfer market, or they are going to get picked apart. |
If they field anything like the team that finished the Championship, they'll get a shellacking on a regular basis. Just like us and Hull, it's major surgery needed, not a sticking plaster. |  | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 00:17 - Jul 28 with 1313 views | ReusersTown |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:39 - Jul 27 by Nutkins_Return |
I would stand by 100% what I said. They did have a good balance and I said they had more power and pace players. As a comparison to us I think that's completely true as a statement. I think we had better technical footballers but we didn't really have many blistering pace players and they certainly had bigger players.
Very quick:
Onyeka - was clocked as Brentfords fastest player and powerful
Van Ewijk - one of the fastest in the league
Mason Clarke - quick and extremely powerful
Thomas Asante - quick and powerful
Sakamoto - quick
Markelo - quick
Haji Wright - very quick and good strength
Simms - very strong and quicker then he looks.
They had Esse and another quick loan lad as well but obviously gone.
Burns and O'Shea are pretty quick but it's an area we are improving with Maeda, Fatawu and Emersonn hopefully.... |
Tbh I didn't read your comment at a direct comparison to us but in terms of suitability to the prem. Three of those I've named. Van Ewijk no quicker than Davis, Onyeka isn't up to it, Sakamoto likely too small, Markelo no idea who he is (assume he didn't play much). So you could add Thomas Asante to my original list potentially. We were the closest thing to a PL team last year and they got there arses handed to then. [Post edited 28 Jul 10:17]
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| Coventry in for a shock on 00:23 - Jul 28 with 1292 views | Guthrum |
| Coventry in for a shock on 19:28 - Jul 27 by GeoffSentence |
Got to admit last time round I thought we didn't need to do much business and had a decent shot at a lower mid table finish. I based this on Burleys first Premiership season. In the end I was shocked at how much the gulf between premier league and championship had grown. Coventry have been away longer, they don't know what's about to hit them |
I thought that until I had a conversation with HarryfromBath and the look he gave when I suggested that took away much of the confidence I had. Unsurprisingly, he was right. |  |
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| Coventry in for a shock on 07:23 - Jul 28 with 1104 views | NthQldITFC |
| Coventry in for a shock on 19:38 - Jul 27 by portmanking |
I think Cov are actually the most exposed team of the 3 promoted clubs. They played a gung-ho, expansive style last season, akin to us in 23/24. As we know all too well, if they don't try to shut up shop even a little they'll be picked off at will week in, week out. |
I think that too, and despite us not being totally on our game most of last season, we handled them extremely comfortably. Twice.
Hull will fight like hell, we'll do a good bit of both, but Cov will probably be much like we were two years ago, but in all honesty from a lower starting point. |  |
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| Coventry in for a shock on 09:19 - Jul 28 with 977 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:39 - Jul 27 by Nutkins_Return |
I would stand by 100% what I said. They did have a good balance and I said they had more power and pace players. As a comparison to us I think that's completely true as a statement. I think we had better technical footballers but we didn't really have many blistering pace players and they certainly had bigger players.
Very quick:
Onyeka - was clocked as Brentfords fastest player and powerful
Van Ewijk - one of the fastest in the league
Mason Clarke - quick and extremely powerful
Thomas Asante - quick and powerful
Sakamoto - quick
Markelo - quick
Haji Wright - very quick and good strength
Simms - very strong and quicker then he looks.
They had Esse and another quick loan lad as well but obviously gone.
Burns and O'Shea are pretty quick but it's an area we are improving with Maeda, Fatawu and Emersonn hopefully.... |
You're forgetting we also had Davis, Hutchinson, Delap, plus Jaden and Clarke too and were no where near. That's similar to the Coventry players listed, broadly, yet we were absolutely no where.
Someone commented a while back, I think it was Scowcroft now he's some sort of scout, that teams like us will find it difficult to get both anday need to go for either absolute pace or absolute power. As in between and it serves little purpose. And that balance is key. And no one has it in the championship, or they'd already be snapped up for the prem. |  | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 09:20 - Jul 28 with 974 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Coventry in for a shock on 07:23 - Jul 28 by NthQldITFC |
I think that too, and despite us not being totally on our game most of last season, we handled them extremely comfortably. Twice.
Hull will fight like hell, we'll do a good bit of both, but Cov will probably be much like we were two years ago, but in all honesty from a lower starting point. |
Hull are complete guff. The gap between them and us/Cov was huge last season and they have ground to make up on the pair of us let alone more established PL teams. Morita is obviously a decent signing if he stays fit but they've not go anyone yet that is going move the needle at all. They will be comfortably bottom. | | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 09:54 - Jul 28 with 916 views | Tractor_Boy333 |
I’ve seen some the Coventry fans comments saying they’ll be ok as they have Simms and Wright. From what I remember from last season neither of them got did anything against us.
So not sure why they are going to be successful in the Prem. Lampard did a great job getting them promoted, but think the Coventry fans are in for a rude awakening unless they bring in lots of new players. | | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 10:26 - Jul 28 with 838 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Coventry in for a shock on 09:54 - Jul 28 by Tractor_Boy333 |
I’ve seen some the Coventry fans comments saying they’ll be ok as they have Simms and Wright. From what I remember from last season neither of them got did anything against us.
So not sure why they are going to be successful in the Prem. Lampard did a great job getting them promoted, but think the Coventry fans are in for a rude awakening unless they bring in lots of new players. |
Exactly that, and we were on such a high last time many didn't fully appreciate the gap. But it is so, so vast. The difference between scoring against Oxford Utd, Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday, QPR, Charlton, vs Arsenal, Man city, Liverpool, Chelsea, or even a Fulham, Palace, Brentford, is absolutely ridiculously huge.
Fulham still have centre back pairing 25 million plus, Palace centre back played in the world Cup semi, plus England international defender and 25 million plus signings, Brentford, multiple tens of millions spent and valued.
It's the hope that kills you. Of course there is no true realistic hope when the lesser teams in the prem spend 10s of millions on every position, and the lesser champ teams pay tens of thousands. | | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 10:31 - Jul 28 with 833 views | TheGentlemanViking |
The gap between the Championship and Prem is so vast now that to have any hope of staying up you're needing to invest massively in your playing squad, and hope that 2-3 more established teams have a nightmare season. We all need to be praying that Fulham, Palace, Sunderland, Leeds have as tough a time as West Ham and Wolves had last season. It'll take a miracle for any of us to stay up, and I'd say Coventry are the least likely to achieve it. |  | | |
| Coventry in for a shock on 10:47 - Jul 28 with 788 views | Ryorry |
| Coventry in for a shock on 20:30 - Jul 27 by tonybied |
...and there's a large number of mental ex-wifes too. |
… and ex-husbands too.
On the footballing predictionsfront, I’ll just say that perhaps those who live in glass houses … |  |
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| Coventry in for a shock on 11:23 - Jul 28 with 732 views | MJallday |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:42 - Jul 27 by RetroBlue |
Out of interest, what players do you think we should be getting in through the door to achieve survival? |
Rashford
Messi
Mbappe |  |
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| Coventry in for a shock on 11:32 - Jul 28 with 704 views | urbanpenguin |
| Coventry in for a shock on 23:09 - Jul 27 by _CliveBaker_ |
I certainly think we're short right now. Not of Hull or Coventry, but certainly of the 1 other we would need to outpace. The sides flirting with relegation last season were Spurs, Forest, Palace etc, I think we're some way short of them. West Ham were a bit of a basket case but they went down with a better squad than we've got now.
Its a big gap to bridge, I think we've got too many who wouldn't get near 17 squads in the division. Mehmeti, Nunez, Akpom, Furlong, Kipre, Johnson, Taylor, Egeli, Hirst, Burns. Possibly 1 or 2 more. No shade on any of them, all good players, I just think they're a bit short of being PL quality. Its one thing having 4 or 5 in the squad, but when they're making up 50% of your outfield options it looks a tall order. I think we probably need another 7 or 8 of a higher quality, whether we can do that over the next few weeks remains to be seen. Reality is you can't build a PL ready squad in the Championship, and its a lot of work to close the huge gap and implement a double digit number of signings in a couple of months.
I think we need to prove ourselves as the best of the promoted sides, and hope AN other shits the bed somewhat. |
I think Coventry are similar to what we were last time. Aware of a gap, thinking momentum and vibes mixed with some big signings is enough. It went ok for the first half, but second half of the season it was not. I suspect it may be a similar trajectory for Coventry.
Hull, if they have any sense, will realise it is impossible to stay up but invest strategically and plan for a bounce back after relegation (as, perhaps, in retrospect it will be seen that we did).
So, after that, who else may be low down. I think Fulham will be in and around the bottom few. I suspect an otherwise stable club like Brentford or Bournemouth may struggle and not quite know how to clamber upwards.
And I think, Crystal Palace may be the surprise one near the lower end, they have a lot of issues around the club, are spending money on the stand that may limit player signings, fans are never that comfortable with owner, a new manager who needs to hit the ground running, and the complication of many midweek european games.
Oh, and for giggles I would love TOttenham to be down there, but I suspect they will be safely upper-mid table. |  |
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| Coventry in for a shock on 11:37 - Jul 28 with 685 views | crouchendyachtclub |
| Coventry in for a shock on 22:47 - Jul 27 by football |
Their fans are incredibly naive and arrogant. They are in for a fight and I'm all in for watching. |
I spent half my life Coventry adjacent so know quite a lot of season ticket holders.
I don't think any of them really think like this. Their defence needed to improve for summers on the bounce and the one that came up was essentially the same as they had a couple of years before. Similarly they're under no illusions about the ability of Simms and Wright.
If they get Rushworth, where they probably outdo us last time we came up would be GK, midfield depth and consistency out wide (that doesn't rely on your left back being up the other end of the pitch). | | | |
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