| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 19:41 - Aug 23 with 5216 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
took over. It's like a dream. Something that even Ed Sheeran is proud to be associated with. The superlatives just keep coming. Everything that this management team are doing is just better than you ever thought could happen. After two decades of slumber and apathy. Chalk and cheese. Love it. |  |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 19:43 - Aug 23 with 3960 views | dominiciawful |
It is such a joy to be run in a competent and forward-thinking manner. |  |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 20:30 - Aug 23 with 3777 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
How Evans made a fortune I don’t know. He’s a cr@p businessman, never remotely maximised the commercial opportunities and potential return on his investment.
Either that or he just wasn’t interested. |  | | |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 20:37 - Aug 23 with 3719 views | homer_123 |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 19:43 - Aug 23 by dominiciawful |
It is such a joy to be run in a competent and forward-thinking manner. |
Not wanting to put a downer on anything but...we do rather need to achieve promotion.
I do recognise this is the situ we've been in for a while but we do need to deliver on the pitch (which we currently are). |  |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 20:39 - Aug 23 with 3690 views | SitfcB |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 20:30 - Aug 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
How Evans made a fortune I don’t know. He’s a cr@p businessman, never remotely maximised the commercial opportunities and potential return on his investment.
Either that or he just wasn’t interested. |
Crime? |  |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 21:04 - Aug 23 with 3561 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 20:37 - Aug 23 by homer_123 |
Not wanting to put a downer on anything but...we do rather need to achieve promotion.
I do recognise this is the situ we've been in for a while but we do need to deliver on the pitch (which we currently are). |
As you say, they are. The overall feeling of positivity is everywhere, including on the pitch. And I don't think we have fully hit our stride yet - we've seen a few uncharacteristic slip-ups at the back that we weren't seeing last year. Plus we are only just starting to use Davis , there is much more potential to swing play left or right. | |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 22:56 - Aug 23 with 3216 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 20:39 - Aug 23 by SitfcB |
Crime? |
Ooof, steady on Sitters. Thats exactly the kind of thing likely to get Phil into trouble. [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 23:06]
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 07:05 - Aug 24 with 2936 views | The_Romford_Blue |
To think some told me I couldn’t call for a change of owner because *checks notes* I couldn’t name who it would be taking over or that I should ‘buy the club yourself’. |  |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 08:20 - Aug 24 with 2784 views | Deano69 |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 20:37 - Aug 23 by homer_123 |
Not wanting to put a downer on anything but...we do rather need to achieve promotion.
I do recognise this is the situ we've been in for a while but we do need to deliver on the pitch (which we currently are). |
The whole club needed addressing. It was rotten from top to bottom. I love this new approach which is driving everyone in the same direction and rather than creating a soulless entity we seem to be building something really special.
After all, just spending money on players and little on everything else has worked really well for the past 10+ years.
Btw, Not intended as a dig at your post, essentially you are quite right, the end result has to be to get out of their league as a minimum plan. These guys have ambition, more than the ‘fag packet, 5 point plan’ we have been used to, they are truly backing it up with action and walking the walking. [Post edited 24 Aug 2022 8:23]
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 08:45 - Aug 24 with 2727 views | ElephantintheRoom |
I have no wish to let reality intrude on your joyous support of a franchise - but it’s all been done by a bunch of sharks on borrowed money - at a time of looming financial crisis.
If you look at the football league Town are in the third division - whilst Wigan, Rotherham and Sunderland are a division higher up…. That is the scale of the financial hiccough Ashton created with Cook. Granted things look rosy this season - but to the bean counter in Ohio this should have been happening last season - and all could yet go very pear-shaped if the club comes third and gets dumped out of the play-offs
Whilst Town are marooned in division three there will be an endless stream of feel good stories and ‘third shirts’ because supporters are effectively the only available income stream. | |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 08:53 - Aug 24 with 2678 views | FrankfurtBlue |
Really don't want to pour water on your fire, but similarly when considering our 3-0 v MKD and wondering how good were we and how poor were they, I have to try to compare GC20 with a reasonably competent management set-up rather than Marcus Evans and his various stooges, who were incompetent and/or negligent, to say the least.
Also, just for balance here, the new ownership group and management team are not real fans or rich benefactors. Whilst it may appear that they have the same goals for the club as we do, they are actually in it ultimately for personal financial gain. For example, to whom are they going to sell the club, whenever?
Having said that, we can only enjoy the ride at the moment and hope it takes us far! [Post edited 24 Aug 2022 9:02]
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:01 - Aug 24 with 2641 views | Funge |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 08:45 - Aug 24 by ElephantintheRoom |
I have no wish to let reality intrude on your joyous support of a franchise - but it’s all been done by a bunch of sharks on borrowed money - at a time of looming financial crisis.
If you look at the football league Town are in the third division - whilst Wigan, Rotherham and Sunderland are a division higher up…. That is the scale of the financial hiccough Ashton created with Cook. Granted things look rosy this season - but to the bean counter in Ohio this should have been happening last season - and all could yet go very pear-shaped if the club comes third and gets dumped out of the play-offs
Whilst Town are marooned in division three there will be an endless stream of feel good stories and ‘third shirts’ because supporters are effectively the only available income stream. |
As always, whilst you preach a very pessimistic view of matters, there is definitely a degree of truth in this.
The Yanks are extremely shrewd marketers, and, as pointed out elsewhere, the Sheeran deal is remarkable (and beneficial) in a number of ways to the club - but yes, capitalising on the groundswell of support for this team is central to the initial success of the GC20 plan.
I take a slightly more optimistic view of matters insofar as I think the Yanks will give it longer than this season in DIv III - although failure to go up this year will be pretty awful for quite a few reasons; it would be a pretty resounding endorsement of failure on the part of Ashton and McK (both of whom would depart), and we'd see Morsy and a few of the backline depart. |  | | |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:02 - Aug 24 with 2624 views | portmanking |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 08:45 - Aug 24 by ElephantintheRoom |
I have no wish to let reality intrude on your joyous support of a franchise - but it’s all been done by a bunch of sharks on borrowed money - at a time of looming financial crisis.
If you look at the football league Town are in the third division - whilst Wigan, Rotherham and Sunderland are a division higher up…. That is the scale of the financial hiccough Ashton created with Cook. Granted things look rosy this season - but to the bean counter in Ohio this should have been happening last season - and all could yet go very pear-shaped if the club comes third and gets dumped out of the play-offs
Whilst Town are marooned in division three there will be an endless stream of feel good stories and ‘third shirts’ because supporters are effectively the only available income stream. |
You are @Saund65 on Twitter and I claim my £5. | | | |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:15 - Aug 24 with 2556 views | Churchman |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 08:53 - Aug 24 by FrankfurtBlue |
Really don't want to pour water on your fire, but similarly when considering our 3-0 v MKD and wondering how good were we and how poor were they, I have to try to compare GC20 with a reasonably competent management set-up rather than Marcus Evans and his various stooges, who were incompetent and/or negligent, to say the least.
Also, just for balance here, the new ownership group and management team are not real fans or rich benefactors. Whilst it may appear that they have the same goals for the club as we do, they are actually in it ultimately for personal financial gain. For example, to whom are they going to sell the club, whenever?
Having said that, we can only enjoy the ride at the moment and hope it takes us far! [Post edited 24 Aug 2022 9:02]
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Of course the Americans are in it for gain. That’s as obvious as Russians lining tory pockets for gain.
Does anyone think Abramovich bought Chelsea because he grew up dreaming of the barbed wire, broken bricks and running track of Stamford Bridge? He did it to legitimise himself and so prevent being killed. He might have kept bunging money in because he grew to like it, but he was no Jack Walker or the Middlesbrough mush who did it for the love of it.
I’m sure the head choppers didn’t buy Newcastle because they’ve always dreamt of the Quayside either.
As long as they building the club back up, I’ll be happy. In many ways for me it was always foundations, structure and infrastructure first, team second or better still in parallel. Far better than Evans’ speculative punt on a quick buck. We all saw where that got us.
If the Americans leave us in a better state than when they arrived (not difficult) that’ll be fine by me. They seem to be serious about building something here. What’s not to like? |  | | |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:31 - Aug 24 with 2443 views | Churchman |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 08:45 - Aug 24 by ElephantintheRoom |
I have no wish to let reality intrude on your joyous support of a franchise - but it’s all been done by a bunch of sharks on borrowed money - at a time of looming financial crisis.
If you look at the football league Town are in the third division - whilst Wigan, Rotherham and Sunderland are a division higher up…. That is the scale of the financial hiccough Ashton created with Cook. Granted things look rosy this season - but to the bean counter in Ohio this should have been happening last season - and all could yet go very pear-shaped if the club comes third and gets dumped out of the play-offs
Whilst Town are marooned in division three there will be an endless stream of feel good stories and ‘third shirts’ because supporters are effectively the only available income stream. |
Norwich are doing better aren’t they. Disappointing outcome last night though.
For the record, Our pantomime villain Ashton inherited Cook and his bomb squad. He didn’t employ him so he didn’t create a ‘financial hiccough’ with him. Ashton Joined 1 June. Cook was employed by dementor Evans before the takeover. If GC20 gave it their blessing, some of the accountability sits with them. The choice was sacking Cook before Ashton arrived at season’s end or seeing how he went.
Badly, as it goes and Cook was rightly booted out by GC20 and Ashton five months after the CEOs arrival.
In your unrelenting miserable outlook, at least some things never change. [Post edited 24 Aug 2022 9:31]
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:31 - Aug 24 with 2441 views | Bobbychase |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:15 - Aug 24 by Churchman |
Of course the Americans are in it for gain. That’s as obvious as Russians lining tory pockets for gain.
Does anyone think Abramovich bought Chelsea because he grew up dreaming of the barbed wire, broken bricks and running track of Stamford Bridge? He did it to legitimise himself and so prevent being killed. He might have kept bunging money in because he grew to like it, but he was no Jack Walker or the Middlesbrough mush who did it for the love of it.
I’m sure the head choppers didn’t buy Newcastle because they’ve always dreamt of the Quayside either.
As long as they building the club back up, I’ll be happy. In many ways for me it was always foundations, structure and infrastructure first, team second or better still in parallel. Far better than Evans’ speculative punt on a quick buck. We all saw where that got us.
If the Americans leave us in a better state than when they arrived (not difficult) that’ll be fine by me. They seem to be serious about building something here. What’s not to like? |
Exactly. They're also not buying land/buildings around Portman Road because they are concerned about the decline of Ipswich town centre. But if they build facilities and infrastructure that make the club progress off the pitch and make it more attractive to future buyers, who cares what their motivation is. |  |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:50 - Aug 24 with 2324 views | FrankfurtBlue |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:15 - Aug 24 by Churchman |
Of course the Americans are in it for gain. That’s as obvious as Russians lining tory pockets for gain.
Does anyone think Abramovich bought Chelsea because he grew up dreaming of the barbed wire, broken bricks and running track of Stamford Bridge? He did it to legitimise himself and so prevent being killed. He might have kept bunging money in because he grew to like it, but he was no Jack Walker or the Middlesbrough mush who did it for the love of it.
I’m sure the head choppers didn’t buy Newcastle because they’ve always dreamt of the Quayside either.
As long as they building the club back up, I’ll be happy. In many ways for me it was always foundations, structure and infrastructure first, team second or better still in parallel. Far better than Evans’ speculative punt on a quick buck. We all saw where that got us.
If the Americans leave us in a better state than when they arrived (not difficult) that’ll be fine by me. They seem to be serious about building something here. What’s not to like? |
Sadly, you appear to be inventing an argument. Just because you personally realise something, does not necessarily mean others do.
I was merely pointing out that it is not as perfect as, for example, having a rich benefactor, and that I have difficulty in assessing exactly how good the new management team are because the last ones were so poor, but I also asserted that we should still enjoy and appreciate what is happening at out club | | | |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:53 - Aug 24 with 2297 views | JakeITFC |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 07:05 - Aug 24 by The_Romford_Blue |
To think some told me I couldn’t call for a change of owner because *checks notes* I couldn’t name who it would be taking over or that I should ‘buy the club yourself’. |
Which has been proven correct - Evans held out for the best possible buyer for the club which is why we are now in this position. |  | | |
| Yup, it’s a completely different club as 26k Saturday will show… BUT… on 09:56 - Aug 24 with 2282 views | unstableblue |
… we need automatic promotion, or at the very minimum a play-off final to make any of it worthwhile
Sheff Weds, Peterborough, Derby, Pompey will have something to say about it |  |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:56 - Aug 24 with 2281 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:53 - Aug 24 by JakeITFC |
Which has been proven correct - Evans held out for the best possible buyer for the club which is why we are now in this position. |
No because the same people were saying they’d rather keep Evans because we knew what we would get with him. Rather than risking new owners who could be better or worse. | |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:57 - Aug 24 with 2282 views | PhilTWTD |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 08:45 - Aug 24 by ElephantintheRoom |
I have no wish to let reality intrude on your joyous support of a franchise - but it’s all been done by a bunch of sharks on borrowed money - at a time of looming financial crisis.
If you look at the football league Town are in the third division - whilst Wigan, Rotherham and Sunderland are a division higher up…. That is the scale of the financial hiccough Ashton created with Cook. Granted things look rosy this season - but to the bean counter in Ohio this should have been happening last season - and all could yet go very pear-shaped if the club comes third and gets dumped out of the play-offs
Whilst Town are marooned in division three there will be an endless stream of feel good stories and ‘third shirts’ because supporters are effectively the only available income stream. |
As per previous claims, where is there any evidence that the money injected into the club is being borrowed? |  | | |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:57 - Aug 24 with 2277 views | chicoazul |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:01 - Aug 24 by Funge |
As always, whilst you preach a very pessimistic view of matters, there is definitely a degree of truth in this.
The Yanks are extremely shrewd marketers, and, as pointed out elsewhere, the Sheeran deal is remarkable (and beneficial) in a number of ways to the club - but yes, capitalising on the groundswell of support for this team is central to the initial success of the GC20 plan.
I take a slightly more optimistic view of matters insofar as I think the Yanks will give it longer than this season in DIv III - although failure to go up this year will be pretty awful for quite a few reasons; it would be a pretty resounding endorsement of failure on the part of Ashton and McK (both of whom would depart), and we'd see Morsy and a few of the backline depart. |
Someone (may have been you actually luv) made the point to me the other day that the works and investments carried out so far indicate the Yanqui are in this for the long-ish term which I suppose is fair enough. But I can’t help feeling the club is on a real knifes edge right now. What would no promotion this season do to our prospects? Would the Yanqui sell to some madman like Ashley? |  |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:58 - Aug 24 with 2267 views | chicoazul |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:57 - Aug 24 by PhilTWTD |
As per previous claims, where is there any evidence that the money injected into the club is being borrowed? |
Surely the money is coming from the Pension fund investment team and is ergo being borrowed? | |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 10:01 - Aug 24 with 2239 views | markchips |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:15 - Aug 24 by Churchman |
Of course the Americans are in it for gain. That’s as obvious as Russians lining tory pockets for gain.
Does anyone think Abramovich bought Chelsea because he grew up dreaming of the barbed wire, broken bricks and running track of Stamford Bridge? He did it to legitimise himself and so prevent being killed. He might have kept bunging money in because he grew to like it, but he was no Jack Walker or the Middlesbrough mush who did it for the love of it.
I’m sure the head choppers didn’t buy Newcastle because they’ve always dreamt of the Quayside either.
As long as they building the club back up, I’ll be happy. In many ways for me it was always foundations, structure and infrastructure first, team second or better still in parallel. Far better than Evans’ speculative punt on a quick buck. We all saw where that got us.
If the Americans leave us in a better state than when they arrived (not difficult) that’ll be fine by me. They seem to be serious about building something here. What’s not to like? |
I am just genuinely pleased to see some improvement. I got so used to settling for a draw because it kept us in the Championship and then more acceptance that we had no funds so promotion was always a push.
At least this year there seems to be a plan and players to fit a system.
I hope Ladapo gets off the mark soon to help his confidence and I still feel we need more up top by way of a proven finisher to give us the best possible chance of promotion this year. | | | |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 11:04 - Aug 24 with 2060 views | SheffordBlue |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 09:58 - Aug 24 by chicoazul |
Surely the money is coming from the Pension fund investment team and is ergo being borrowed? |
I think this is a language thing where people maybe mean different things by different terms.
For me:
A loan is typically a set sum of money which has to be paid back on a specified date - usually with interest.
An investment is people putting money into a venture with no guarantee that they will get that money back. They only get their money back if they sell their investment share and only make a profit if the value of the asset has increased.
In previous posts Elephant has implied that the 3 Lions have borrowed money (i.e a loan) from the pension fund rather than worked with their fund managers to find a good investment opportunity. Unless he is privvy to some other information I don't think this is the case. The Pension Fund cannot ask for the money back that they have invested - they can only choose to sell in the future. | |
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| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 11:13 - Aug 24 with 2029 views | PhilTWTD |
| I am genuinely staggered at how much this club has changed since GC20 on 11:04 - Aug 24 by SheffordBlue |
I think this is a language thing where people maybe mean different things by different terms.
For me:
A loan is typically a set sum of money which has to be paid back on a specified date - usually with interest.
An investment is people putting money into a venture with no guarantee that they will get that money back. They only get their money back if they sell their investment share and only make a profit if the value of the asset has increased.
In previous posts Elephant has implied that the 3 Lions have borrowed money (i.e a loan) from the pension fund rather than worked with their fund managers to find a good investment opportunity. Unless he is privvy to some other information I don't think this is the case. The Pension Fund cannot ask for the money back that they have invested - they can only choose to sell in the future. |
Indeed, the Three Lions haven't borrowed money from the pension fund. The Three Lions only own a relatively small part of the club - it was five per cent of Gamechanger, it's probably now lower as I doubt they've made an investment since the takeover (if they actively invested at all rather than getting their stake for their role in the takeover) - with the pension fund owning 90-plus per cent. As you say, the pension fund is investing funds into the club. It's not loaning money to the club in the manner of ME. | | | |
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