| Camara and TJJ 07:56 - Feb 22 with 4831 views | Nutkins_Return |
Are both back in full training now. Sounds like Camara was doing very well and TJJ was expected back early. Think both will be available in a couple of weeks potentially (though clearly match fitness is Another thing). Just wondering if we might see them in an U21 game soon. Will be a big boost. Ball a few weeks behind but on grass now. |  |
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| Camara and TJJ on 08:13 - Feb 22 with 4239 views | Mullet |
Oddly, I think TJJ is the one who possibly has the strongest case to say we missed him the most when we hit a bad run.
Now though, the lack of CMs means we desperately need Camara back. Would be good to see him take the weight off Humphreys in a couple of weeks, but realistically how soon can either be up to speed? |  |
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| Camara and TJJ on 08:25 - Feb 22 with 4160 views | ITFCBlues |
| Camara and TJJ on 08:13 - Feb 22 by Mullet |
Oddly, I think TJJ is the one who possibly has the strongest case to say we missed him the most when we hit a bad run.
Now though, the lack of CMs means we desperately need Camara back. Would be good to see him take the weight off Humphreys in a couple of weeks, but realistically how soon can either be up to speed? |
I think all three have been hugely missed. Real lack of CM options has absolutely destroyed us unfortunately and TJJ missing to provide another proper forward option to Ladapo over that winter period.
I'd like to think Camara is a fit lad the way he gets about the pitch, but having missed so much football, you'd think he's at least 2 to 3 weeks away from being able to play any part unfortunately and probably 1-2 U21 games? |  |
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| Camara and TJJ on 08:43 - Feb 22 with 4049 views | SheffordBlue |
| Camara and TJJ on 08:13 - Feb 22 by Mullet |
Oddly, I think TJJ is the one who possibly has the strongest case to say we missed him the most when we hit a bad run.
Now though, the lack of CMs means we desperately need Camara back. Would be good to see him take the weight off Humphreys in a couple of weeks, but realistically how soon can either be up to speed? |
People have made a lot about the late goals at Charlton being the thing that impacted our form the most. Charlton was also the last time we had TJJ and Ball available for a League fixture.
With the Evans injury and failing to get Hirst in the summer the lack of depth in a busy period was arguably a bigger factor than the mental blow of dropping the points late I think. | |
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| Camara and TJJ on 08:43 - Feb 22 with 4034 views | BigCommon |
| Camara and TJJ on 08:13 - Feb 22 by Mullet |
Oddly, I think TJJ is the one who possibly has the strongest case to say we missed him the most when we hit a bad run.
Now though, the lack of CMs means we desperately need Camara back. Would be good to see him take the weight off Humphreys in a couple of weeks, but realistically how soon can either be up to speed? |
Honestly think we've missed someone like Camera at times..Someone who can get us up the pitch quicker from half way line..Bristol Rivers was a prime example, imo.. I hope we get to see both of them before the season is done.. |  | | |
| Camara and TJJ on 08:47 - Feb 22 with 3998 views | RobTheMonk |
| Camara and TJJ on 08:43 - Feb 22 by BigCommon |
Honestly think we've missed someone like Camera at times..Someone who can get us up the pitch quicker from half way line..Bristol Rivers was a prime example, imo.. I hope we get to see both of them before the season is done.. |
Agree completely. He's a good driving ball carrier. |  | | |
| Camara and TJJ on 08:57 - Feb 22 with 3927 views | BigCommon |
| Camara and TJJ on 08:43 - Feb 22 by SheffordBlue |
People have made a lot about the late goals at Charlton being the thing that impacted our form the most. Charlton was also the last time we had TJJ and Ball available for a League fixture.
With the Evans injury and failing to get Hirst in the summer the lack of depth in a busy period was arguably a bigger factor than the mental blow of dropping the points late I think. |
I'm in agreement. Something like 1 freak match, I'm sure they'd just draw a line under..But having to jig the line up with little reinforcement, is a more drawn out obstacle to deal with... Some fans, and dare I say it, some podcasts, have made a "thing" from that Charlton match. When it's best to just move on from it.IMO. Im sure the players have. | | | |
| Camara and TJJ on 09:04 - Feb 22 with 3869 views | itfcjoe |
| Camara and TJJ on 08:43 - Feb 22 by BigCommon |
Honestly think we've missed someone like Camera at times..Someone who can get us up the pitch quicker from half way line..Bristol Rivers was a prime example, imo.. I hope we get to see both of them before the season is done.. |
I struggle to see where a player of his ilk fits into a team which dominates possession and territory most weeks - we very rarely are deep enough to need someone to carry us up the pitch quickly |  |
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| Camara and TJJ on 09:27 - Feb 22 with 3652 views | BigCommon |
| Camara and TJJ on 09:04 - Feb 22 by itfcjoe |
I struggle to see where a player of his ilk fits into a team which dominates possession and territory most weeks - we very rarely are deep enough to need someone to carry us up the pitch quickly |
I think, sometimes, when we break the first press by playing out from the back, our midfield dont/can't drive forwards enough, the extra 30 odd yards to keep us moving forwards. Quite often see Morsy for instance, put his foot on the ball and look for an easier, sideways pass.. Personally think we looked more dangerous, when Morsy was dipping a shoulder and driving forwards earlier in the season, up to the edge of their box...I think someone like Camara, can help speed up that transition, getting us further forwards before teams have time to reset themselves..Listening to Argyle fans, when we signed him. "He'll get you up the pitch quicker", was a common comment.. The amount of space created, through the centre when teams double up on Burns or Leif, is just the sort of area someone like Camera could do some damage, imo. | | | |
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| Camara and TJJ on 09:29 - Feb 22 with 3611 views | hype313 |
| Camara and TJJ on 09:04 - Feb 22 by itfcjoe |
I struggle to see where a player of his ilk fits into a team which dominates possession and territory most weeks - we very rarely are deep enough to need someone to carry us up the pitch quickly |
I always thought it was a strange signing in isolation, he just seemed like a player that was perfectly suited to Plymouth's game as opposed to ours. Add in the Injury issues it's a head scratcher of a signing.
Ball back fit with Luongo having the ability to play a full game every week would enhance us no end. |  |
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| Camara and TJJ on 09:30 - Feb 22 with 3616 views | itfcjoe |
| Camara and TJJ on 09:27 - Feb 22 by BigCommon |
I think, sometimes, when we break the first press by playing out from the back, our midfield dont/can't drive forwards enough, the extra 30 odd yards to keep us moving forwards. Quite often see Morsy for instance, put his foot on the ball and look for an easier, sideways pass.. Personally think we looked more dangerous, when Morsy was dipping a shoulder and driving forwards earlier in the season, up to the edge of their box...I think someone like Camara, can help speed up that transition, getting us further forwards before teams have time to reset themselves..Listening to Argyle fans, when we signed him. "He'll get you up the pitch quicker", was a common comment.. The amount of space created, through the centre when teams double up on Burns or Leif, is just the sort of area someone like Camera could do some damage, imo. |
Possibly, whatever it does if he is another option in the middle that is going to be a big help as we are very short! | |
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| Camara and TJJ on 09:30 - Feb 22 with 3603 views | SaleAway |
| Camara and TJJ on 09:04 - Feb 22 by itfcjoe |
I struggle to see where a player of his ilk fits into a team which dominates possession and territory most weeks - we very rarely are deep enough to need someone to carry us up the pitch quickly |
Surely the quick transition is something that we have been calling out for, as an alternative to the slow patient build up. Despite having a lot of possession, there is always room for a quick transition attack. | |
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| Camara and TJJ on 09:39 - Feb 22 with 3526 views | SomethingBlue |
Great re TJJ — such a clever, flexible player and a really good option in at least two positions. If he's back really firing in, say, a month or so it'll be very good for us, and it would hopefully secure his place here on a perm.
Camara — I'd virtually chalked him off but that's welcome, the chances are very high that Morsy will miss one or more of that Bolton/Derby/Barnsley bundle and we need availability in midfield urgently. [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 9:40]
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| Camara and TJJ on 09:52 - Feb 22 with 3313 views | LankHenners |
I really believe TJJ is our ace in the hole, missed him more than many might think. Was looking like being our most dangerous forward before his injury - very clever player in the way he operates that hybrid 9/10 position and was just starting to find his goalscoring boots. Hopefully he can get back into the swing of things quickly.
Camara an interesting one - doesn't seem to fit a side that's so dominant in possession as we often are but maybe gives us a bit more thrust from midfield and offers something different to the slowly slowly passing through the middle third we often get. If nothing else it's an extra body in there at a time where our options are a soon-to-be-suspended Morsy, a highly talented but still very young Humphreys, and Luongo who's only just got back from an injury which set his return back a few weeks. |  |
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| Camara and TJJ on 10:10 - Feb 22 with 3165 views | BlueForYou |
Could Camara & Luongo play together in the middle? |  | | |
| Camara and TJJ on 10:12 - Feb 22 with 3161 views | Guthrum |
| Camara and TJJ on 08:57 - Feb 22 by BigCommon |
I'm in agreement. Something like 1 freak match, I'm sure they'd just draw a line under..But having to jig the line up with little reinforcement, is a more drawn out obstacle to deal with... Some fans, and dare I say it, some podcasts, have made a "thing" from that Charlton match. When it's best to just move on from it.IMO. Im sure the players have. |
Absolutely. If the morale of an entire team of professional footballers (several of whom have played at higher levels than L1) is shattered beyond repair by a single last-minute draw (not loss), then not only is that remarkable and unprecedented, but says we did not deserve promotion, being so feeble.
I really can't see it. The kind of players we've got in our team have had to overcome setbacks all their lives to get where they are. One slightly zany match should not be enough to break them, let alone the whole squad at once.
The evidence doesn't really show it, either. Town have not stopped attacking, sitting back in fear, more that their tempo and energy has dropped a little. There may be a confidence element to that, but equally likely to be injuries, tiredness, personal form and battling opposition (Lincoln, for example, are a notoriously hard team to win against, lost only 7 times all season, better than a couple of the top six). [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 10:15]
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| Camara and TJJ on 10:18 - Feb 22 with 3087 views | Guthrum |
| Camara and TJJ on 09:30 - Feb 22 by SaleAway |
Surely the quick transition is something that we have been calling out for, as an alternative to the slow patient build up. Despite having a lot of possession, there is always room for a quick transition attack. |
Indeed the patient build up requires a quick transition to penetrate the defence. Spotting the space, delivering quickly to a player in it who then drives forward and forces a rushed reorganisation of the opposition, giving the chance of a ball in to someone who can finish. | |
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| Camara and TJJ on 10:22 - Feb 22 with 3045 views | jayessess |
Playing an U21 game doesn't seem to be part of the injury recovery cycle any more, so I assume the next we'll see of both would be on the sub's bench.
TJJ - we've got a huge amount of traffic amongst the forward players. I think he's excellent but I hope he doesn't confuse things even further up there. TJJ, Hirst, Ladapo, Broadhead, Chaplin, Harness, Edwards, Aluko, Jackson, Burns is a lot.
Camara - Bodies in centre midfield incredibly welcome right now. Having 4 fit gives us a little redundancy at least! [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 10:41]
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| Camara and TJJ on 10:29 - Feb 22 with 2946 views | chicoazul |
| Camara and TJJ on 10:22 - Feb 22 by jayessess |
Playing an U21 game doesn't seem to be part of the injury recovery cycle any more, so I assume the next we'll see of both would be on the sub's bench.
TJJ - we've got a huge amount of traffic amongst the forward players. I think he's excellent but I hope he doesn't confuse things even further up there. TJJ, Hirst, Ladapo, Broadhead, Chaplin, Harness, Edwards, Aluko, Jackson, Burns is a lot.
Camara - Bodies in centre midfield incredibly welcome right now. Having 4 fit gives us a little redundancy at least! [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 10:41]
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TJJ is much much better than most of them though. |  |
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| Camara and TJJ on 10:41 - Feb 22 with 2849 views | jayessess |
| Camara and TJJ on 10:29 - Feb 22 by chicoazul |
TJJ is much much better than most of them though. |
True. Just wondering how we'd use him were he back up to full fitness soon.
I'd guess he's actually a really natural alternative to Broadhead and we might see those two share 60/30 like Hirst and Ladapo do? [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 13:04]
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| Camara and TJJ on 10:44 - Feb 22 with 2805 views | SomethingBlue |
| Camara and TJJ on 10:41 - Feb 22 by jayessess |
True. Just wondering how we'd use him were he back up to full fitness soon.
I'd guess he's actually a really natural alternative to Broadhead and we might see those two share 60/30 like Hirst and Ladapo do? [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 13:04]
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There may even be games where we use TJJ as a more drifty McGoldrick-like No9, which worked well at times earlier in the season. He can do such a lot and it's no surprise KM likes him. Suspect Harness, whose only real use at the moment is in pressing off the ball, will find minutes of any kind hard to come by once he's back. | |
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| Camara and TJJ on 11:39 - Feb 22 with 2548 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Camara and TJJ on 10:44 - Feb 22 by SomethingBlue |
There may even be games where we use TJJ as a more drifty McGoldrick-like No9, which worked well at times earlier in the season. He can do such a lot and it's no surprise KM likes him. Suspect Harness, whose only real use at the moment is in pressing off the ball, will find minutes of any kind hard to come by once he's back. |
Agree with this. He is so good at dropping in and taking the ball on the half turn or even holding it up back to goal.
So frustrating the time he got injured because he was really getting in to his groove. Hopefully he gets a good run now until the end of the season and we can sign him, although his injury record must be a concern. |  |
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| Camara and TJJ on 12:42 - Feb 22 with 2182 views | BigCommon |
| Camara and TJJ on 10:41 - Feb 22 by jayessess |
True. Just wondering how we'd use him were he back up to full fitness soon.
I'd guess he's actually a really natural alternative to Broadhead and we might see those two share 60/30 like Hirst and Ladapo do? [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 13:04]
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Upvote by mistake, (no offence).... Watching footage of TJJ from before he came here, he's got that "Arsenal", quick interplay around the box, thing, about him.. I'd look forward to seeing how a fit TTJ could link up with Broadhead , who looks to be on that kind of wave length..
Oddly, and some people won't agree or like this comment. But , I do wonder where an out and out wide man, like Burns , will fit into a completed KM, first eleven. Other than as an option from the bench to stretch teams. As good a player as he is. I think we may end up with the "Edwards" conundrum, on our right hand side, in Burns. Once we have the right 3 , behind our front man, and full backs as supporting wide men? I can see us ending up with a very mobile 3 in AM (TJJ, Beoadhead and Chapprers for instance), who are able to drift wide or come into the centre when required, or even interchange during a match. Which would be more unpredictable, harder to pick up, and less 1 dimensional than someone just hugging the touch line? If space appears down the wing, full backs can attack it, like Leif does on the left , atm..? | | | |
| Camara and TJJ on 13:13 - Feb 22 with 1963 views | jayessess |
| Camara and TJJ on 10:44 - Feb 22 by SomethingBlue |
There may even be games where we use TJJ as a more drifty McGoldrick-like No9, which worked well at times earlier in the season. He can do such a lot and it's no surprise KM likes him. Suspect Harness, whose only real use at the moment is in pressing off the ball, will find minutes of any kind hard to come by once he's back. |
Do wonder if we'll look back on Harness as somewhat of a mis-step in transfer terms. You could count the number of games where he's had a major influence on one hand and he ended up being the end of our attacking midfielder/wide forward business until January.
If we'd not brought him in maybe we'd have shown a bit more urgency in getting in someone of a higher level (I can't imagine between fee and wages he's turned out much cheaper than Celina would have, for instance) [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 13:17]
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| Camara and TJJ on 14:10 - Feb 22 with 1677 views | Garv |
| Camara and TJJ on 13:13 - Feb 22 by jayessess |
Do wonder if we'll look back on Harness as somewhat of a mis-step in transfer terms. You could count the number of games where he's had a major influence on one hand and he ended up being the end of our attacking midfielder/wide forward business until January.
If we'd not brought him in maybe we'd have shown a bit more urgency in getting in someone of a higher level (I can't imagine between fee and wages he's turned out much cheaper than Celina would have, for instance) [Post edited 22 Feb 2023 13:17]
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Just because you'e mentioned Harness/transfers...our summer business has turned out to be a very mixed bag, to put it kindly, for various reasons - some out of our control.
Ball - mainly injured
Harness - started well but if he doesn't score he doesn't affect games enough.
Davis - clearly the best of the lot and he has been very good, albeit suspect defending the back post. Improved our set pieces dramatically.
Keogh - fair to say his qualities go unnoticed because he's there as a senior main around the squad rather than to contribute on the pitch every week
TJJ - started slowly and looked like he might find some form - was a bit of a wildcard at times. Injured since October.
Camara - injured
Ahadme - never has the word 'raw' been more suitable. Injuries again not been kind.
Ladapo - mixed bag. Started slowly but improved. Seems to struggle coming off the bench compared to when starting. Not helped by rotation. Seems bang up for it one week and looks lethal, then lethargic and borderline lazy the next. Should go on to get a decent goals tally though.
Leigh - has he done anything wrong? Criminally under-used. Injuries again playing a part. |  |
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| Camara and TJJ on 14:23 - Feb 22 with 1611 views | SheffordBlue |
| Camara and TJJ on 14:10 - Feb 22 by Garv |
Just because you'e mentioned Harness/transfers...our summer business has turned out to be a very mixed bag, to put it kindly, for various reasons - some out of our control.
Ball - mainly injured
Harness - started well but if he doesn't score he doesn't affect games enough.
Davis - clearly the best of the lot and he has been very good, albeit suspect defending the back post. Improved our set pieces dramatically.
Keogh - fair to say his qualities go unnoticed because he's there as a senior main around the squad rather than to contribute on the pitch every week
TJJ - started slowly and looked like he might find some form - was a bit of a wildcard at times. Injured since October.
Camara - injured
Ahadme - never has the word 'raw' been more suitable. Injuries again not been kind.
Ladapo - mixed bag. Started slowly but improved. Seems to struggle coming off the bench compared to when starting. Not helped by rotation. Seems bang up for it one week and looks lethal, then lethargic and borderline lazy the next. Should go on to get a decent goals tally though.
Leigh - has he done anything wrong? Criminally under-used. Injuries again playing a part. |
I think the idea that Ladapo off the bench doesn't work isn't entirely fair. 3 of his 11 (27%) league goals have come from the bench.
As a unit we seem to have stopped trying to press teams high up the pitch earlier in games than we used to - injuries/physical ability hitting it's limits maybe. There have been a couple of games where he has had accusations of laziness for not pressing when the attacking midfielders weren't joining him in the press (possibly on instruction) making it a bit of a futile effort and leaving us open to the opposition getting men over if he did run off by himself.
Now we're blessed with numbers again in these positions and as pitches hopefully stop being so heavy as the weather improves it will be interesting to see if we collectively start doing this throughout games again. If he then doesn't join in the criticism is fair and valid! | |
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