| Am with Mark 09:38 - Nov 29 with 4269 views | bluelagos |
Truth is - it was better before. We watched a game, we scored, we celebrated.
And sometimes the refs made sh1t decisions.
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| Am with Mark on 09:48 - Nov 29 with 3485 views | NthQldITFC |
Best way to drive standards up for me would be to use VAR mainly retrospectively as a referee ranking tool. In the live game, just keep the fast, objective things like goal line / side line ball crossing and maybe the offside part but with a fuzzy line which favours the attacker.
Anything subjective involving player intention or awareness interpretation or intricacies of body position can be assessed and debated (with accountable public explanation of decisions) after the event and can result in refs getting points added or taken away, which bumps them up and down a table and affects their selection for choice games.
Nothing too confrontational like promotion or relegation from top flight appointments except in the case of extreme failures. The public aspect of this post game assessment should keep it relatively corruption-free. |  |
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| Am with Mark on 09:49 - Nov 29 with 3485 views | Keno |
The issue isnt VAR per se, its how its being implemented
Oddly, and who would have guessed this, the FA, UEFA & FIA have made a right pigs ear of it |  |
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| Am with Mark on 10:10 - Nov 29 with 3405 views | Kieran_Knows |
As sad as it is, I watch a lot of German, French, Dutch football etc, and they never seem to have the delay, or the weekly controversies like we do when it comes to VAR.
So my question is, why can't we use their officials, or those that train their officials for our own? Our English officials seem to be out in Saudi Arabia every other week officiating games, so why couldn't we do that with German et al officials? |  |
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| Am with Mark on 10:12 - Nov 29 with 3391 views | DarkBrandon |
| Am with Mark on 09:49 - Nov 29 by Keno |
The issue isnt VAR per se, its how its being implemented
Oddly, and who would have guessed this, the FA, UEFA & FIA have made a right pigs ear of it |
Like Brexit and Communism? |  | | |
| Am with Mark on 10:15 - Nov 29 with 3364 views | Keno |
| Am with Mark on 10:12 - Nov 29 by DarkBrandon |
Like Brexit and Communism? |
im not sure Brexit was ever a good idea but as far as Communism was a concern is was or well good but they made a right bigs ear out of it | |
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| Am with Mark on 10:25 - Nov 29 with 3323 views | homer_123 |
I said it before VAR was implemented, VAR won't improve football.
It takes away and sanitises the game - it detracts, it doesn't add. It was never going to.
It removes a vital aspect of what makes football what it is. We now end up talking more about VAR than the football. |  |
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| Am with Mark on 10:26 - Nov 29 with 3307 views | EastTownBlue |
| Am with Mark on 09:49 - Nov 29 by Keno |
The issue isnt VAR per se, its how its being implemented
Oddly, and who would have guessed this, the FA, UEFA & FIA have made a right pigs ear of it |
Or with last night, IFAB's the changes in the handball law in recent years to make it clearer has created a bit of a mess and inconsistency across countries. |  | | |
| Am with Mark on 10:29 - Nov 29 with 3270 views | Keno |
| Am with Mark on 10:25 - Nov 29 by homer_123 |
I said it before VAR was implemented, VAR won't improve football.
It takes away and sanitises the game - it detracts, it doesn't add. It was never going to.
It removes a vital aspect of what makes football what it is. We now end up talking more about VAR than the football. |
can you replay that post for about 33 times slowly so I can analyse it from every possible angle before I decide whether my thumb up was justified? | |
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| Am with Mark on 10:31 - Nov 29 with 3266 views | Basuco |
VAR isn't the issue, Premier league refs who cannot make the correct decision even after multiple slow motion replays, or take ages even when the decision is obvious on the first replay, that is the problem. Why do other Countries not have the same problems? Why are English referees so poor? Inconsistent and struggle to get simple basic decisions correct? That is what we should be asking, The media talk about VAR like it is an electronic box, it isn't, it is another referee. |  | | |
| Am with Mark on 10:51 - Nov 29 with 3155 views | giant_stow |
I don;t even watch match of the day, but am told by people who do watch the games, that there's a sneaking suspicion that VAR is being used to control outcomes. There's just been too many dodgy decisions, or so the thinking goes at least. |  |
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| Am with Mark on 10:53 - Nov 29 with 3138 views | _clive_baker_ |
I don't agree that it's not VAR, but the use of VAR.
Personally I think there's an inevitability about it's very existence, to stifle the theatre of live sport and descend into reviewing everything to the nth degree.
Bin it, just let the on field officials manage the game I say. |  | | |
| Am with Mark on 10:55 - Nov 29 with 3129 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
'IIt was better before'.
Kind of.
But it was also so easy to insult the refs for bad decisions wasn't it? |  | | |
| Am with Mark on 11:32 - Nov 29 with 2962 views | Basuco |
| Am with Mark on 10:51 - Nov 29 by giant_stow |
I don;t even watch match of the day, but am told by people who do watch the games, that there's a sneaking suspicion that VAR is being used to control outcomes. There's just been too many dodgy decisions, or so the thinking goes at least. |
There were so many dodgy decisions made by referees VAR was urgently needed, but the same referees are still making dodgy decisions after watching replay's. This is why some people think that referee's are controlling outcomes to games, or even worse, referees are making VAR look so bad that they can get rid of it and make it easier to control outcomes of games. Whatever you believe it is the general standard of referees that is my main concern. | | | |
| Am with Mark on 11:37 - Nov 29 with 2943 views | BigCommon |
VAR is oppressive... It stops people letting their emotions go... It suppresses the very thing that people watch sports for.. That untamed release of emotion, excitement, joy and celebration...
VAR is one for the "emotion police"... The free spirited will always hate it.. The oppressors and those that feel comfortable being oppressed, won't mind it...
I hate it....
I'm all for goal line technology. But VAR can get in the bin... Give us back our freedom of emotion. |  | | |
| Am with Mark on 11:48 - Nov 29 with 2882 views | Ryorry |
Football fans need only two things (OK, six for those of a pedantic nature) -
Consistency from well-trained, unbiased, fit & mentally strong referees with good eyesight.
Goal-line technology. |  |
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| Am with Mark on 11:57 - Nov 29 with 2833 views | hoppy |
| Am with Mark on 11:48 - Nov 29 by Ryorry |
Football fans need only two things (OK, six for those of a pedantic nature) -
Consistency from well-trained, unbiased, fit & mentally strong referees with good eyesight.
Goal-line technology. |
Even decent ugly referees would be better. |  |
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| Am with Mark on 12:12 - Nov 29 with 2779 views | Pinewoodblue |
We could always give the responsibility of when to involve VAR to the managers of the two teams, limited to two per half. Like with Cricket there is a need for “ referees call”.
You can be sure they will be used in the first few minutes of each half and after that the Referee can get in with it and we can enjoy the game without unnecessary hold ups. |  |
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| Am with Mark on 12:14 - Nov 29 with 2771 views | Basuco |
| Am with Mark on 10:26 - Nov 29 by EastTownBlue |
Or with last night, IFAB's the changes in the handball law in recent years to make it clearer has created a bit of a mess and inconsistency across countries. |
Or to go further, why are all rules in football unclear and open to interpretation? Every change seems to make them even more unclear. | | | |
| Am with Mark on 12:39 - Nov 29 with 2681 views | Bluedandy |
If the majority of football fans want VAR removed from the game then it should go.
The 'technology' has corrupted football as a spectator sport to such a degree that a nationwide campaign led by fans is now needed to get rid of VAR.
The experiment has failed monstrously, do not let clipboard referees and their allies double down on the calamity any longer. | | | |
| Am with Mark on 12:49 - Nov 29 with 2584 views | brazil1982 |
You can guarantee, if this was reversed, Newcastle would be screaming for a penalty. |  | | |
| Am with Mark on 13:03 - Nov 29 with 2519 views | J2BLUE |
We were told it was for clear and obvious errors. Now they analyse every single goal and take several minutes drawing lines.
That is not what it was supposed to be for.
Give the VAR team three replays and a max of 30 seconds.
It's crap now after every goal waiting to see if it stands. |  |
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| Am with Mark on 13:05 - Nov 29 with 2506 views | NthQldITFC |
| Am with Mark on 11:48 - Nov 29 by Ryorry |
Football fans need only two things (OK, six for those of a pedantic nature) -
Consistency from well-trained, unbiased, fit & mentally strong referees with good eyesight.
Goal-line technology. |
What about beer?  | |
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| Am with Mark on 13:16 - Nov 29 with 2449 views | hoppy |
| Am with Mark on 13:05 - Nov 29 by NthQldITFC |
What about beer? |
Very kind of you, thank you... | |
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| Am with Mark on 13:17 - Nov 29 with 2447 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Am with Mark on 13:03 - Nov 29 by J2BLUE |
We were told it was for clear and obvious errors. Now they analyse every single goal and take several minutes drawing lines.
That is not what it was supposed to be for.
Give the VAR team three replays and a max of 30 seconds.
It's crap now after every goal waiting to see if it stands. |
Even UEFA have now effectively admitted VAR made a significant mistake last night with Newcastle.
They've stood down the VAR official from the next game
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/29/var-psg-penalty-newcastle-stood
VAR should be limited to semi-automated/automated offsides and issues of serious foul play. Not whether there is a hair 1mm offside after studying 70 different images over 5 minutes. |  | | |
| Am with Mark on 13:35 - Nov 29 with 2365 views | ITFC_Forever |
Newcastle were lucky to get away with one earlier in the second half, so they can't complain too much.
But even if the on-field ref is sent to the screen, he can still stick with his decision. Show some back bone.... |  |
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