| So, The Cobbold 21:20 - Dec 6 with 6815 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
What is 'The right time to execute' the plan?
Do you think they'll stick with the original 00's plan for the Cobbold, that reflected the design of the new North and South stands?
Or do you think they'll go with a new design and the N & S stands will at some point be flattened again? |  |
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| So, The Cobbold on 21:28 - Dec 6 with 5426 views | nodge_blue |
Really cant see the end stands being flattened.
It sounds like they want a main stand that links to the town more. Im guessing that may mean a redesign |  |
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| So, The Cobbold on 21:33 - Dec 6 with 5403 views | SitfcB |
They’re not going to flattern two modern stands that are only 20 years old are they 
I think the Cobbold plan will be executed as soon as we’re promoted to the PL and it’ll be the main stand with the directors box, tunnel and dressing rooms within. |  |
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| So, The Cobbold on 21:49 - Dec 6 with 5313 views | ElderGrizzly |
You need the PL TV money to wipe out the loss of gate income. It won’t be done until at least a couple of seasons in the PL i assume. |  | | |
| So, The Cobbold on 21:51 - Dec 6 with 5300 views | Illinoisblue |
The right time to build new stands is when you’re crap. Ideally Evans would have had an absurd vision of a 40k stadium about 10 years ago. But he wouldn’t even paint turnstiles so here we are. |  |
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| So, The Cobbold on 21:51 - Dec 6 with 5302 views | Swansea_Blue |
05:47 am.
Hard to judge. We need it for as soon as we go up, so start now. But if we don’t go up it’s a white elephant. It’s another decision that reminds me how glad I am not to be running the club. |  |
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| So, The Cobbold on 22:00 - Dec 6 with 5238 views | PioneerBlue |
Cycles. We are all on the big up turn cycle we are in and it is time and moment. I’d say it is a year into a prem return to be covered by tv cash like has been said. If we don’t return to the prem in next 3 years the current situ is manageable. |  |
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| So, The Cobbold on 22:20 - Dec 6 with 5164 views | unstableblue |
I think, as discussed before, they’ll not follow the North/Churchman design, building an individual design that involves a large lower tier, boxes, and then a smaller upper tier.
Much like Bristol City and Liverpool.
Having a large block of uninterrupted seats is much better for atmosphere. And will suit a larger away end, with home fans above. It’ll be a huge stand to add the 5-8k we need.
And as Ashton states it’s all about the additionally revenue it will bring from hospitality. Good hospitality in the Premier League is £600+ a game. And they’ve talked extensively of non matchday revenue.
When to do it? Very difficult. We need the atmosphere (presence and when it’s pumping) and we need the revenue. We made mistakes before with the two end stand rebuilds.
I do think the club will get a plan and design, get a long term planning permission or agreement from the local council… but may wait 3,4 or 5 seasons before acting. |  |
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| So, The Cobbold on 05:20 - Dec 7 with 4882 views | tivo |
The perfect time is to start when you look more likely to stay up than go down (In the premiership).
If you can start all of the works and get the 'goalpost' up and start building down behind the old stand during the season, then the moment the last game has happened rip down the Cobbold top tier. If possible keep the lower tier with a small access for away fans the first half of the following season. | | | |
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| So, The Cobbold on 06:56 - Dec 7 with 4804 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Biggest question for me is what happens to the c 3-4K season ticket holders who sit in there whilst it’s done, as well as the need to accommodate away fans. They might be able to keep some of the stand open whilst work is started, but given we’re looking at a rebuild bit an extension, it could be a challenge!
Especially if we’ve just been promoted, it will be very difficult. For example, anyone who sits in there, would you accept losing your seat for a season if the club you a free ST in the new stand for the folllwjng season? I doubt it. |  | | |
| So, The Cobbold on 06:58 - Dec 7 with 4794 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Perhaps with so many mugs buying Town TV subscriptions they will talk the talk and keep the ground as it is whilst maximising income from the ‘visitor experience’? The most profitable outcome from a short trip to the Prem would be a surge in subscriptions to create the illusion of free money to anyone prepared to buy in at no extra cost.
As the carpetbaggers have put more in than they intended I very much doubt they will take on major expense when their tactic has always been ‘added value’ to lure people buying in - as per the effort in Phoenix.
Stand development in a backwater like Ipswich hasn’t had a good outcome in the last 40 years - I suspect now the club is in the hands of opportunists they will talk big and do next to nothing - which I almost certainly the right approach. | |
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| So, The Cobbold on 07:05 - Dec 7 with 4769 views | SitfcB |
| So, The Cobbold on 06:56 - Dec 7 by Matt_Netherlands |
Biggest question for me is what happens to the c 3-4K season ticket holders who sit in there whilst it’s done, as well as the need to accommodate away fans. They might be able to keep some of the stand open whilst work is started, but given we’re looking at a rebuild bit an extension, it could be a challenge!
Especially if we’ve just been promoted, it will be very difficult. For example, anyone who sits in there, would you accept losing your seat for a season if the club you a free ST in the new stand for the folllwjng season? I doubt it. |
21,500 season ticket holders can fit in the other three stands conveniently!
Sure they’ll be able to squeeze 2,000 away fans in somewhere as well or a temporary stand type thing. | |
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| So, The Cobbold on 07:47 - Dec 7 with 4698 views | Bluespeed225 |
After 3 mid table finishes in The Prem’. Base of the pyramid and all that. | | | |
| So, The Cobbold on 08:47 - Dec 7 with 4551 views | OldFart71 |
Definitely a case of balancing the squad against developement. We for instance, although you could say playing a second 11 were played off the park by Palace and apart from a good win last night they have been beaten several times since playing us, which means that they certainly ain't the best in the Prem. Therefore I feel we need possibly half a dozen players added to the squad. That would mean a few outgoings some of whom would command fees. So where does that leave us financially, well of course it depends on how much we are prepared to spend, how much we get for selling players and of course whether we attain Premier League status. Then there's the point of what capacity we need. I personally would go for 35,000 that in turn would allow 25,000 season ticket holders, 6,000 floaters and 4,000 away fans. | | | |
| So, The Cobbold on 09:06 - Dec 7 with 4501 views | Bent_double |
| So, The Cobbold on 08:47 - Dec 7 by OldFart71 |
Definitely a case of balancing the squad against developement. We for instance, although you could say playing a second 11 were played off the park by Palace and apart from a good win last night they have been beaten several times since playing us, which means that they certainly ain't the best in the Prem. Therefore I feel we need possibly half a dozen players added to the squad. That would mean a few outgoings some of whom would command fees. So where does that leave us financially, well of course it depends on how much we are prepared to spend, how much we get for selling players and of course whether we attain Premier League status. Then there's the point of what capacity we need. I personally would go for 35,000 that in turn would allow 25,000 season ticket holders, 6,000 floaters and 4,000 away fans. |
Mate, you keep getting this wrong. FULHAM, not Palace. We played - and lost - to Fulham in the cup  |  |
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| So, The Cobbold on 09:11 - Dec 7 with 4485 views | DanTheMan |
| So, The Cobbold on 06:58 - Dec 7 by ElephantintheRoom |
Perhaps with so many mugs buying Town TV subscriptions they will talk the talk and keep the ground as it is whilst maximising income from the ‘visitor experience’? The most profitable outcome from a short trip to the Prem would be a surge in subscriptions to create the illusion of free money to anyone prepared to buy in at no extra cost.
As the carpetbaggers have put more in than they intended I very much doubt they will take on major expense when their tactic has always been ‘added value’ to lure people buying in - as per the effort in Phoenix.
Stand development in a backwater like Ipswich hasn’t had a good outcome in the last 40 years - I suspect now the club is in the hands of opportunists they will talk big and do next to nothing - which I almost certainly the right approach. |
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| So, The Cobbold on 09:33 - Dec 7 with 4425 views | Pinewoodblue |
Would be interesting if the club released details of the plans previously drawn out for the Cobbold stand. Think, from memory, that it increased capacity by 5,000.
What Gamechanger would want to do differently would be behind the scenes, they would want the stand to have a larger footprint, more space to generate income from hospitality and non match day usage. Hence the need to reach agreement with the major stakeholder , the local council.
Build from the back, a bit like Charlton did but on a much grander scale. They removed the roof and continued to use the stand for many months. |  |
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| So, The Cobbold on 09:53 - Dec 7 with 4376 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| So, The Cobbold on 09:11 - Dec 7 by DanTheMan |
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Unfortunately for Elephant, Ipswich will not be backwater in 10 years time if all the development that is planned goes ahead - it will be a major conurbation! Maybe even with modern rapid transit! |  |
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| So, The Cobbold on 10:00 - Dec 7 with 4325 views | Freddies_Ears |
| So, The Cobbold on 09:33 - Dec 7 by Pinewoodblue |
Would be interesting if the club released details of the plans previously drawn out for the Cobbold stand. Think, from memory, that it increased capacity by 5,000.
What Gamechanger would want to do differently would be behind the scenes, they would want the stand to have a larger footprint, more space to generate income from hospitality and non match day usage. Hence the need to reach agreement with the major stakeholder , the local council.
Build from the back, a bit like Charlton did but on a much grander scale. They removed the roof and continued to use the stand for many months. |
Ashton has said, several times, that the new stand would be single tier. This maximises the space for hospitality etc. A great example, oddly, is Crewe, who have a huge room under their main stand. We would be looking for a space to cater for 500+, including non-matchdays. Plus many other hospitality options, incl private dining as well as levels of lounge dining, all of which gives decent conference facilities too.
Again, Ashton has talked about having a deal to be done with the council. A single tier stand would extend back over Portman Road into the car park area, and then space is needed for flow of more people than at present. So, a need to acquire quite a bit of land. I would guess we might need then to contribute to the cost of a multi-storey car park. | | | |
| So, The Cobbold on 10:09 - Dec 7 with 4293 views | RIPbobby |
When he said he wanted it to be a 365 day money maker I got the impression he was going to extend it all the way back deep into the car park so it could be used as a kind of conference centre and maybe have concerts there and maybe darts matches. |  | | |
| So, The Cobbold on 10:38 - Dec 7 with 4226 views | lurcher |
1 to 2 years. I expect it will be a bigger stand than the original 00s design. Something set further back and likely built in 2 phases, so capacity isn't compromised. A new upper tier, offices, venues and so on will be built behind the existing stand. Before the cobbold has its roof removed and is eventually replaced by a new lower tier. |  | | |
| So, The Cobbold on 11:30 - Dec 7 with 4135 views | ElderGrizzly |
| So, The Cobbold on 10:38 - Dec 7 by lurcher |
1 to 2 years. I expect it will be a bigger stand than the original 00s design. Something set further back and likely built in 2 phases, so capacity isn't compromised. A new upper tier, offices, venues and so on will be built behind the existing stand. Before the cobbold has its roof removed and is eventually replaced by a new lower tier. |
The Cobbold is 50 years old and would require significant remedial work to foundations etc to enable it to be 'upgraded' to today's standards.
It would no doubt be cheaper to knock it down and start again. And if Ashton wants a 365 days usage type stand, then that is the only option.
We'd have a 3 sided stadium for at least one season, hence needing the PL TV money to compensate for loss of revenue.
How fans feel about being displaced for 12 months will be fairly low on their 'real' set of issues. | | | |
| Carpetbagging on 11:35 - Dec 7 with 4117 views | Dyland |
| So, The Cobbold on 06:58 - Dec 7 by ElephantintheRoom |
Perhaps with so many mugs buying Town TV subscriptions they will talk the talk and keep the ground as it is whilst maximising income from the ‘visitor experience’? The most profitable outcome from a short trip to the Prem would be a surge in subscriptions to create the illusion of free money to anyone prepared to buy in at no extra cost.
As the carpetbaggers have put more in than they intended I very much doubt they will take on major expense when their tactic has always been ‘added value’ to lure people buying in - as per the effort in Phoenix.
Stand development in a backwater like Ipswich hasn’t had a good outcome in the last 40 years - I suspect now the club is in the hands of opportunists they will talk big and do next to nothing - which I almost certainly the right approach. |
Do you post in the same vein on forums about stuff other than football? Or is it only football (or sport in general) that attracts your ire with the modern world? |  |
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| Ipswich can hardly be described as a backwater even now on 11:37 - Dec 7 with 4107 views | Dyland |
| So, The Cobbold on 09:53 - Dec 7 by Ewan_Oozami |
Unfortunately for Elephant, Ipswich will not be backwater in 10 years time if all the development that is planned goes ahead - it will be a major conurbation! Maybe even with modern rapid transit! |
Indeed, not for hundreds of years. Depressed? Sure, in part. Like most old English market towns. It has more going for it than against, imho. | |
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| So, The Cobbold on 11:41 - Dec 7 with 4088 views | blueasfook |
| So, The Cobbold on 09:11 - Dec 7 by DanTheMan |
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You used the wrong Meldrew.jpg. He looks more preturbed in that one
This is the official TWTD meldrew.jpg
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| So, The Cobbold on 12:01 - Dec 7 with 4042 views | Bobbychase |
| So, The Cobbold on 06:58 - Dec 7 by ElephantintheRoom |
Perhaps with so many mugs buying Town TV subscriptions they will talk the talk and keep the ground as it is whilst maximising income from the ‘visitor experience’? The most profitable outcome from a short trip to the Prem would be a surge in subscriptions to create the illusion of free money to anyone prepared to buy in at no extra cost.
As the carpetbaggers have put more in than they intended I very much doubt they will take on major expense when their tactic has always been ‘added value’ to lure people buying in - as per the effort in Phoenix.
Stand development in a backwater like Ipswich hasn’t had a good outcome in the last 40 years - I suspect now the club is in the hands of opportunists they will talk big and do next to nothing - which I almost certainly the right approach. |
So given we get 29,000 most weeks now, where would those people go if we had decided not to rebuild the stands behind each goal in 2000? |  |
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