| Labour’s manifesto 09:21 - Jun 13 with 17582 views | thebooks |
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/13/rachel-reeves-reck
Basically:
- Austerity (“there’s no money left!”)
- Arm waving “growth” led by incentivising more private sector running of infrastructure and the NHS
- Some vague “we’ll be nicer to workers” platitudes
- We’ll fix more potholes
As Ipswich will go to Labour, surely that means a Greens vote for anyone who’s not right/centre right? |  | | |  |
| Labour’s manifesto on 09:28 - Jun 13 with 6888 views | StokieBlue |
I want to see the details of the nationalised green energy company. It could be a superb thing or it could be rubbish.
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| Labour’s manifesto on 09:52 - Jun 13 with 6830 views | thebooks |
| Labour’s manifesto on 09:28 - Jun 13 by StokieBlue |
I want to see the details of the nationalised green energy company. It could be a superb thing or it could be rubbish.
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We’ll see. It should directly invest, but I assume it‘ll just be a vehicle to encourage private investment. | | | |
| Labour’s manifesto on 09:53 - Jun 13 with 6827 views | homer_123 |
| Labour’s manifesto on 09:28 - Jun 13 by StokieBlue |
I want to see the details of the nationalised green energy company. It could be a superb thing or it could be rubbish.
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Could it be worse than what we have?
I mean, it's possible isn't it but the current model doesn't work, so a change is needed. Just because it might be worse, isn't a reason to keep the status quo. |  |
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| Labour’s manifesto on 09:54 - Jun 13 with 6822 views | vilanovablue |
I think trying to get the Tories beaten back into third place should be the aim here. So that they are not the second party. In many seats it's a straight fight between Tory/Labour so it might be a case of holding your nose. |  | | |
| Labour’s manifesto on 09:54 - Jun 13 with 6818 views | Herbivore |
| Labour’s manifesto on 09:28 - Jun 13 by StokieBlue |
I want to see the details of the nationalised green energy company. It could be a superb thing or it could be rubbish.
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If it's done properly it's the one vaguely progressive policy they're proposing. The rest is very much Cameron's Tories territory. In the words of big Mick, that went well. |  |
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| Labour’s manifesto on 09:56 - Jun 13 with 6799 views | lowhouseblue |
the greens are essentially corbyn's wheelbarrow with even more stuff stacked into it, even higher taxes and even more borrowing. what could possibly go wrong? the green on newsnight yesterday was incapable of explaining how the strategy differed from that of truss, and in true green economic tradition gave the impression of not being able to understand the question. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 9:57]
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| Labour’s manifesto on 10:16 - Jun 13 with 6686 views | Pinewoodblue |
How ironic that this article was written exactly one year before we elect a Labour government with the power to do whatever it pleases. |  |
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| Labour’s manifesto on 10:18 - Jun 13 with 6669 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour’s manifesto on 09:53 - Jun 13 by homer_123 |
Could it be worse than what we have?
I mean, it's possible isn't it but the current model doesn't work, so a change is needed. Just because it might be worse, isn't a reason to keep the status quo. |
I don't think I've implied it could be worse than what we have but it good be a rubbish implementation of something which could be excellent.
For instance, a few things I would hope to see:
- It should hire school leavers into multi-year apprenticeships to build everything required, there is no reason to import this tech. There should be many and varied apprenticeships, young people need options outside of just going to university.
- It should hire graduates for roles more suited to highly skilled workers like research and design. No reason why we can't be net exports of green tech.
- All profits should be reinvested or placed in a green fund for other green projects.
- It should have some form of exception (within reason) to some planning clauses. Currently there is approximately 9GW of solar power being opposed and thus held up by nimbys.
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| Labour’s manifesto on 10:28 - Jun 13 with 6581 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
I’m not taking any risk in splitting the anti Tom rhyming slang vote. My priority is removing him so I’m voting Labour. |  |
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| Labour’s manifesto on 10:53 - Jun 13 with 6513 views | Mookamoo |
| Labour’s manifesto on 10:18 - Jun 13 by StokieBlue |
I don't think I've implied it could be worse than what we have but it good be a rubbish implementation of something which could be excellent.
For instance, a few things I would hope to see:
- It should hire school leavers into multi-year apprenticeships to build everything required, there is no reason to import this tech. There should be many and varied apprenticeships, young people need options outside of just going to university.
- It should hire graduates for roles more suited to highly skilled workers like research and design. No reason why we can't be net exports of green tech.
- All profits should be reinvested or placed in a green fund for other green projects.
- It should have some form of exception (within reason) to some planning clauses. Currently there is approximately 9GW of solar power being opposed and thus held up by nimbys.
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There is a lot of solar proposed in Suffolk, quite a bit would be using Best and Most Versatile (BMV) land - its not all nimbyism.
I'd like to see any British Green Energy company manufacture and provide solar for car parks and warehouses before we start taking land away.
Any new builds to have to have BGE solar by default |  | | |
| Labour’s manifesto on 10:58 - Jun 13 with 6482 views | GlasgowBlue |
Any mention of free internet. |  |
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| Labour’s manifesto on 11:04 - Jun 13 with 6445 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour’s manifesto on 10:53 - Jun 13 by Mookamoo |
There is a lot of solar proposed in Suffolk, quite a bit would be using Best and Most Versatile (BMV) land - its not all nimbyism.
I'd like to see any British Green Energy company manufacture and provide solar for car parks and warehouses before we start taking land away.
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"There is a lot of solar proposed in Suffolk, quite a bit would be using Best and Most Versatile (BMV) land - its not all nimbyism."
I've seen this in other areas but that land isn't being used at the moment and made virtually no difference to the agricultural yield. It would depend on the specifics of the land though and either way, there is still loads of nimbyism if we take the country as a whole.
"I'd like to see any British Green Energy company manufacture and provide solar for car parks and warehouses before we start taking land away."
Agreed although we can do both if we have a state owned company able to design and build these projects without huge overheads of foreign firms.
"Any new builds to have to have BGE solar by default"
Agreed.
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| Labour’s manifesto on 11:22 - Jun 13 with 6386 views | DJR |
| Labour’s manifesto on 09:28 - Jun 13 by StokieBlue |
I want to see the details of the nationalised green energy company. It could be a superb thing or it could be rubbish.
SB |
It appears to be mainly aimed at fostering (and part financing) private and other projects and technologies.
This is what the following website (set up by the Labour Party) says about it.
https://great-british-energy.org.uk/
Great British Energy will have three initial priorities working alongside private partners:
Co-investing in new technologies: Great British Energy will help speed up and scale the deployment of new technologies, with public investment helping to crowd in investment in areas like floating offshore wind, tidal power and hydrogen as they develop into mature technologies.
Scale and accelerate mature technologies: Great British Energy will also help scale and accelerate the roll-out of mature technologies, like wind, solar and nuclear. It will partner with existing private sector firms to speed up deployment of mature renewable technologies to meet our ambitious clean power timelines. It will also build organisational capability and expertise to deliver energy megaprojects like nuclear power stations, reducing project and construction risk.
Scale up municipal and community energy: GB Energy will partner with energy companies, local authorities and cooperatives to develop 8GWs small-scale and medium-scale community energy projects. Profits will flow directly back into local communities to cut bills, not to the shareholders of foreign companies. This will help to create a more decentralised energy system, with more local generation and ownership, and will help to create a more resilient energy system. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 11:24]
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| Labour’s manifesto on 11:26 - Jun 13 with 6345 views | StokieBlue |
| Labour’s manifesto on 11:22 - Jun 13 by DJR |
It appears to be mainly aimed at fostering (and part financing) private and other projects and technologies.
This is what the following website (set up by the Labour Party) says about it.
https://great-british-energy.org.uk/
Great British Energy will have three initial priorities working alongside private partners:
Co-investing in new technologies: Great British Energy will help speed up and scale the deployment of new technologies, with public investment helping to crowd in investment in areas like floating offshore wind, tidal power and hydrogen as they develop into mature technologies.
Scale and accelerate mature technologies: Great British Energy will also help scale and accelerate the roll-out of mature technologies, like wind, solar and nuclear. It will partner with existing private sector firms to speed up deployment of mature renewable technologies to meet our ambitious clean power timelines. It will also build organisational capability and expertise to deliver energy megaprojects like nuclear power stations, reducing project and construction risk.
Scale up municipal and community energy: GB Energy will partner with energy companies, local authorities and cooperatives to develop 8GWs small-scale and medium-scale community energy projects. Profits will flow directly back into local communities to cut bills, not to the shareholders of foreign companies. This will help to create a more decentralised energy system, with more local generation and ownership, and will help to create a more resilient energy system. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 11:24]
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It could be so much more than that.
Disappointing.
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| Labour’s manifesto on 11:26 - Jun 13 with 6343 views | Herbivore |
| Labour’s manifesto on 11:22 - Jun 13 by DJR |
It appears to be mainly aimed at fostering (and part financing) private and other projects and technologies.
This is what the following website (set up by the Labour Party) says about it.
https://great-british-energy.org.uk/
Great British Energy will have three initial priorities working alongside private partners:
Co-investing in new technologies: Great British Energy will help speed up and scale the deployment of new technologies, with public investment helping to crowd in investment in areas like floating offshore wind, tidal power and hydrogen as they develop into mature technologies.
Scale and accelerate mature technologies: Great British Energy will also help scale and accelerate the roll-out of mature technologies, like wind, solar and nuclear. It will partner with existing private sector firms to speed up deployment of mature renewable technologies to meet our ambitious clean power timelines. It will also build organisational capability and expertise to deliver energy megaprojects like nuclear power stations, reducing project and construction risk.
Scale up municipal and community energy: GB Energy will partner with energy companies, local authorities and cooperatives to develop 8GWs small-scale and medium-scale community energy projects. Profits will flow directly back into local communities to cut bills, not to the shareholders of foreign companies. This will help to create a more decentralised energy system, with more local generation and ownership, and will help to create a more resilient energy system. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 11:24]
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So effectively mainly incentivising and/or underwriting profit making companies active in or entering into the green energy sector? That doesn't feel particularly close to a nationalised green energy company, which is what I'd expected to see. | |
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| Labour’s manifesto on 11:36 - Jun 13 with 6250 views | thebooks |
| Labour’s manifesto on 10:28 - Jun 13 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
I’m not taking any risk in splitting the anti Tom rhyming slang vote. My priority is removing him so I’m voting Labour. |
I guess that’s what I’m asking. I don’t think there’s any chance Lab won’t take Ipswich as most people will be voting just to get rid of the Tories. In seats like this, I think you could have a say in what Lab does when it gets into govt.
If you were sure Lab were going to win, who would you vote for? | | | |
| Labour’s manifesto on 11:47 - Jun 13 with 6178 views | thebooks |
| Labour’s manifesto on 11:26 - Jun 13 by Herbivore |
So effectively mainly incentivising and/or underwriting profit making companies active in or entering into the green energy sector? That doesn't feel particularly close to a nationalised green energy company, which is what I'd expected to see. |
The whole economic strategy is weird. Obviously, decarbonsing the economy should be the priority, but they seem to be focusing on a fairly narrow industrial sector, rather than service and care, which is where most people actually work.
Underwriting and nudging the private sector to do everything rather than directly investing is to the right of Blair, Brown and probably even Osborne. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 11:48]
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| Labour’s manifesto on 11:49 - Jun 13 with 6165 views | Blueschev |
“Efficiency, turnover, profitability?” |  | | |
| Labour’s manifesto on 11:51 - Jun 13 with 6150 views | blueasfook |
| Labour’s manifesto on 10:58 - Jun 13 by GlasgowBlue |
Any mention of free internet. |
Woop woop! That's sure to be a vote winner. |  |
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| Labour’s manifesto on 11:55 - Jun 13 with 6117 views | Trequartista |
| Labour’s manifesto on 09:56 - Jun 13 by lowhouseblue |
the greens are essentially corbyn's wheelbarrow with even more stuff stacked into it, even higher taxes and even more borrowing. what could possibly go wrong? the green on newsnight yesterday was incapable of explaining how the strategy differed from that of truss, and in true green economic tradition gave the impression of not being able to understand the question. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 9:57]
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I saw similar on question time recently ...
Green leader - We will increase taxes on the rich to raise billions of pounds.
Chair - Won't the richest just move their money abroad?
Green leader - Mumble, Stumble, errrm something about a survey where it is hoped they don't. |  |
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| Labour’s manifesto on 12:08 - Jun 13 with 6027 views | brazil1982 |
Stephen Flynn hinted last week he didn't want GBE Headquarters in Scotland. I hope Labour remember this and consider an alternative place now. Ipswich perhaps? |  | | |
| Labour’s manifesto on 12:17 - Jun 13 with 5996 views | Mookamoo |
| Labour’s manifesto on 12:08 - Jun 13 by brazil1982 |
Stephen Flynn hinted last week he didn't want GBE Headquarters in Scotland. I hope Labour remember this and consider an alternative place now. Ipswich perhaps? |
Suffolk is taking the hits with the Norfolk/Tilbury pylons, Sizewell C and all the offshore infrastructure. Would be the perfect place to control all the energy projects.
Felixstowe and Harwich ready and waiting to export all the new tech we'll be inventing and manufacturing. | | | |
| Labour’s manifesto on 12:17 - Jun 13 with 5993 views | J2BLUE |
Decent manifesto and he looked confident and assured during that unveiling.
He could grow into the role. |  |
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| Labour’s manifesto on 12:20 - Jun 13 with 5962 views | Herbivore |
What do we want? Some minor tinkering around the edges but basically ongoing austerity and not much in the way of change.
When do we want it? Meh. | |
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