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A bit of perspective is needed that in the great scheme of things this season is a 'bonus' however it ends up.
We are a team that a few years ago was struggling in league 1 and have come a massive way very quickly. That momentum couldn't carry on but we are in a much better place than we could have ever expected to be when Gamechanger etc came along and the steady progress we all hoped for will continue but with more money, a better value squad and a higher profile than we could have dreamed of.
and who knows we may yet have the 3rd remarkable end of season on the bounce and pull this off. Who thought 2 years ago we win something like 13 of our last 15, who expected us to end up 2nd last season, who thought Keno could be the voice of reason
So lets all take a breath, remember we are all Town Fans and enjoy the ride!!
I take your point but there comes a time when we have to say that being in League 1 is irrelevant to us now.
This season has been a disappointment, as like last night, quite a few matches were there for us to take if we were braver and more switched on. It’s not like we’ve been massively outplayed in nearly all of our matches - I just think that we’ve been a tad too conservative and not simply gone for it.
Saying that, it’s not all gloom-and-doom. Even if we do go down, I firmly believe that we will bounce straight back again. In comparison to the PL, the championship is dross in terms of overall quality.
Yes, Delap will be sold as will a couple others but we will have that cash plus parachute payments so I’m confident for that potential season - and we’ll bounce back with a better squad.
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Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 12:11 - Feb 27 with 1608 views
Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 12:06 - Feb 27 by MattinLondon
I take your point but there comes a time when we have to say that being in League 1 is irrelevant to us now.
This season has been a disappointment, as like last night, quite a few matches were there for us to take if we were braver and more switched on. It’s not like we’ve been massively outplayed in nearly all of our matches - I just think that we’ve been a tad too conservative and not simply gone for it.
Saying that, it’s not all gloom-and-doom. Even if we do go down, I firmly believe that we will bounce straight back again. In comparison to the PL, the championship is dross in terms of overall quality.
Yes, Delap will be sold as will a couple others but we will have that cash plus parachute payments so I’m confident for that potential season - and we’ll bounce back with a better squad.
There will be no great escape from this team i'm afraid, the writing has been on the wall for a while now and just as you could feel the upward momentum carrying us forward last season the opposite is true this time.
I can't see us winning another game until maybe the last three when we face a woeful Leicester plus Brentford / West Ham who will probably be on the beach by then. Of course at this point it will be all over anyway.
We are simply not good enough this time round, no great shame in that but we have to accept that is the reality. It was always going to be a tall order but our very mixed recruitment ( that's being kind ) has seen to it that 17th and beyond is out of our reach.
The key thing now is to recruit more wisely in the summer and get a really good pre-season in where we can get on field relationships and patterns of played formed so we can really hit the ground running come August.
It's no real surprise that the mood is so low on here though, is it? Last night was very poor whatever way you look at it. It wasn't the final nail in the coffin but it was confirmation that the nails are being firmly hammered in and that escape from this now will be verging on a miracle.
The team showed no real fight, I can forgive our failings when we are clearly not good enough to compete, like the weekend but last night, for me at least, it felt like that relegation spiral has really started to take hold of the team and drain the confidence, and once that gets a grip it almost always fails to be shaken off as the doubt leaks into every opportunity you get.
Last night is still too raw for me to try and look to hard for any positives at the moment. Perhaps it's also too early for me to post on here, I prefer not to be negative and hate it when people seem to wallow in that on twtd...but I understand the outpouring of questioning and negativity, as I still feel that way myself. I'm sure that will pass and I'll be back on the positive train before Monday but for now I'm stuck at "Negativity Central" with no sign of that train coming as there's massive work to be done on the lines before that train can pull in to the station.
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Oh no, not this post again. (n/t) on 12:49 - Feb 27 with 1365 views
The general thought is everyone is finding it harder than we thought(whether that be McKenna, the players or the fans) but it is incredibly annoying that we are the ones giving ourselves issues.
If we were getting played off the park every week and nowhere near it(like Southampton) it would almost be easier to take, but we aren't. We are in games, we have had loads of opportunities to win games but we keep making silly mistakes or switching off for five minutes and it's just throwing it all away. How do we go about conceding three set piece goals all season then concede three in one game?
We also have found ourselves having the opposite habit we have had the last few years, where we have always turned up when it mattered. This year it's incredibly frustrating that we seemed to have reserved our worst performances for the games where we've needed to be on it(Everton at Home, Leicester, Last night to name a few)
Of course the perspective is that we have a young team, a young coach and not a lot of PL experience on a journey that has probably been two years ahead of schedule and we will be returning, probably, to a much weaker championship than the one we left. But (right now) that isn't a lot of comfort.
Oh no, not this post again. (n/t) on 12:49 - Feb 27 by SaffronWaldenBlues
Apparently, we were in League One?
I agree, was bitterly disappointed, but can tell it’s not lack of effort, well from most any way but just a level too much for them. I do not begrudge watching us try and can see players putting in the effort but unfortunately as others have said, the risk in buying other players hasn’t paid off due to being no better than what we had, the injuries we have had and now the seeming lack of confidence or better game plan to try something different. We are losing the midfield battle, have no goals from midfield, a lack of quality and end product after getting into the few good positions we do and a defence that is making a lot of small errors, not having a right line for offsides or slow to react leading to goals. It’s again not an effort but lack of playing time together to get confidence up and lack of being able to do something against better teams which we could last season just due to the sheer togetherness.
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Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 13:03 - Feb 27 with 1245 views
Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 12:06 - Feb 27 by MattinLondon
I take your point but there comes a time when we have to say that being in League 1 is irrelevant to us now.
This season has been a disappointment, as like last night, quite a few matches were there for us to take if we were braver and more switched on. It’s not like we’ve been massively outplayed in nearly all of our matches - I just think that we’ve been a tad too conservative and not simply gone for it.
Saying that, it’s not all gloom-and-doom. Even if we do go down, I firmly believe that we will bounce straight back again. In comparison to the PL, the championship is dross in terms of overall quality.
Yes, Delap will be sold as will a couple others but we will have that cash plus parachute payments so I’m confident for that potential season - and we’ll bounce back with a better squad.
How is it not relevant? A large chunk of the squad were bought when we were in League One.
Yes, indeed perspective is needed and two years ago who would have thought we would be playing at Old Trafford, yet alone narrowly losing 3-2?
However, it was the disappointing manner of the defeat that frustrated me. After the sending off, Man Utd immediately brought on a replacement defender and took off an attacker. They, then proceeded to park the bus in front of goal as we did at Villa Park. We left it far to late to bring on another striker to try and take advantage. We barely penetrated the defensive block and spent so much time knocking the ball around the outside of the penalty area. Even that "great" analyst Robbie Savage commented that we were just not attempting to put crosses into the box. One shot on target against 10 men in 50 minutes of the second half is just poor.
Most of us expected defeat at Old Trafford. Most of us were realistic enough to acknowledge it would take a miracle for us to get 17th place and survive. However, that does not mean we should not be allowed to be disappointed and frustrated at a poor performance.
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Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 13:20 - Feb 27 with 1139 views
Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 12:37 - Feb 27 by baxterbasics
Nobody expected 3 points out of last night until they had a man sent off.
11 games to go, 33 points to play for, it's all still to play for.
That first sentence isn't true at all. Last night was a big opportunity for points at any stage.
If we'd limited their set pieces better and defended them better we probably win. Even the corner for the winning goal could have been avoided, I don't think Davis busted a gut to put it out for a throw instead, little details like that might have made a difference and that immediately gave them a lift straight after HT.
Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 13:04 - Feb 27 by Bobbychase
How is it not relevant? A large chunk of the squad were bought when we were in League One.
2 players who started last night are from League 1 including Morsy who probably isn't a starter normally anymore.
Only 3 subs were from League 1 including Luongo who hasn't played much this season and prwsumably is on the bench due to not having anyone else senior to put there?
The League 1 team and players has been decimated so yes it's still a bit relevant, we can't keep saying 2 years ago we were in League one as an excuse for really poor performances like last night.
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Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 13:25 - Feb 27 with 1090 views
Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 12:37 - Feb 27 by baxterbasics
Nobody expected 3 points out of last night until they had a man sent off.
11 games to go, 33 points to play for, it's all still to play for.
Eh? A team in 15th who have lost 5 in the last 6 at home? SOme people are just playing off the name of Man Utd. If that was say Brentford with that record, it would be another thing.
Didn't southampton for 80+ minutes totally outplay them?
I don't suppose we were "expecting" 3 points, but it was for sure a good possibly to get them.
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Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 13:29 - Feb 27 with 1053 views
Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 13:03 - Feb 27 by MattinLondon
I don’t see what history has to do with it.
Parachute payments, the financial advantages are immense.
But the potential yo-yo part and parachute payments are not realised until you go down the first time.
Had we just consolidated in the Championship last season rather than coming up, we may well still be in a mid table championship position now - we wouldn't have had the investment in players that we have (irrespective of whether it's been PL level spending comparatively with more established clubs or not) - we wouldn't have been able to spend that much to bring in the players that we have.
If this turns out to be a solitary PL season for now, it gets us into a potential yo-yo position to come back up which we may have still been a way off had we stayed down.
Future opportunities are immense - whether we manage to stay up or go down at the end of the season.
Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 13:29 - Feb 27 by hoppy
But the potential yo-yo part and parachute payments are not realised until you go down the first time.
Had we just consolidated in the Championship last season rather than coming up, we may well still be in a mid table championship position now - we wouldn't have had the investment in players that we have (irrespective of whether it's been PL level spending comparatively with more established clubs or not) - we wouldn't have been able to spend that much to bring in the players that we have.
If this turns out to be a solitary PL season for now, it gets us into a potential yo-yo position to come back up which we may have still been a way off had we stayed down.
Future opportunities are immense - whether we manage to stay up or go down at the end of the season.
Exactly this. Horrible though much of this season has been, it's an almost unavoidable step in the development of the club and we're getting it over with a bit earlier than we could have expected. As long as we don't mismanage from this point forward, this season should keep us financially bullish for 2 or 3 shots at getting back up.
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Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 13:53 - Feb 27 with 956 views
Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 13:29 - Feb 27 by hoppy
But the potential yo-yo part and parachute payments are not realised until you go down the first time.
Had we just consolidated in the Championship last season rather than coming up, we may well still be in a mid table championship position now - we wouldn't have had the investment in players that we have (irrespective of whether it's been PL level spending comparatively with more established clubs or not) - we wouldn't have been able to spend that much to bring in the players that we have.
If this turns out to be a solitary PL season for now, it gets us into a potential yo-yo position to come back up which we may have still been a way off had we stayed down.
Future opportunities are immense - whether we manage to stay up or go down at the end of the season.
Well said hops!
A strange old day when you and I are the sensible ones
Good Lordy this is a 'fun place' today on 13:22 - Feb 27 by Vaughan8
2 players who started last night are from League 1 including Morsy who probably isn't a starter normally anymore.
Only 3 subs were from League 1 including Luongo who hasn't played much this season and prwsumably is on the bench due to not having anyone else senior to put there?
The League 1 team and players has been decimated so yes it's still a bit relevant, we can't keep saying 2 years ago we were in League one as an excuse for really poor performances like last night.
Of course being in League 1 is relevant. We literally came straight to the Prem from League 1, which is why we've been so far behind everyone else in every facet of the club. You could argue it's not relevant in a few years time but it's hugely relevant right now.
Even mentioning League 1 players not playing last night highlights that our team is fairly new and has had limited time together or for KMc to work his magic on it. The new keeper, for example, has only had 3 league games with the defence.
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