| Confused about Covid 07:40 - Jul 21 with 3818 views | kiwiblue |
I am worried about the situation in the UK with the current surge 50,000 a day and now 96 deaths yesterday, is this 4th wave despite the bulk of the population having had 2 jabs? |  | | |  |
| Confused about Covid on 07:42 - Jul 21 with 3012 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
That's the one. |  |
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| Confused about Covid on 07:47 - Jul 21 with 2966 views | Swansea_Blue |
It’s only a Hillsborough-worth of deaths a day - what’s the problem with that? (He says sarcastically).
I continue to be amazed by how quickly our sh*tshow has become normalised and accepted. Worse than that, how some are even supporting what’s going on and want it to be worse. |  |
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| Confused about Covid on 07:54 - Jul 21 with 2931 views | wkj |
I was really quite shocked this week when going around the village and local areas to see how sensibly people are governing themselves with covid. People were still distancing, still wearing masks, and being very conscientious of their surroundings.
It makes you wonder how different things would have been had the UK Government (and various other world governments) would have had a consistent approach from the start instead of a cycle of Feast and Famine for control measures. |  |
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| Confused about Covid on 07:57 - Jul 21 with 2914 views | BlueySwede |
According to vaccine tracker 54,2 % of the UK population has had 2 jabs. Still plenty of people that need to get fully vaccinated.
The numbers are about the same for Sweden. It´s naive to think that 100 % will take the vaccine, but if we could reach about 80 percent, that would be a good number I think.
My own view is that we probably have to live with this virus for a few years still, but the doctors treatments and the vaccine will mean we canhandle it better (less deaths, less seriously ill etc). We can´t shut down our societys time and time again, what will be left the day the virus is "gone"? [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 7:58]
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| Confused about Covid on 08:03 - Jul 21 with 2859 views | PrideOfTheEast |
Still a significant percentage of the population are not double jabbed. That needs to happen quickly.
Need so much more data than those two statistics. How many have tested, how many were double jabbed, how many had an underlying health issues etc. | | | |
| Confused about Covid on 08:10 - Jul 21 with 2802 views | wkj |
| Confused about Covid on 07:57 - Jul 21 by BlueySwede |
According to vaccine tracker 54,2 % of the UK population has had 2 jabs. Still plenty of people that need to get fully vaccinated.
The numbers are about the same for Sweden. It´s naive to think that 100 % will take the vaccine, but if we could reach about 80 percent, that would be a good number I think.
My own view is that we probably have to live with this virus for a few years still, but the doctors treatments and the vaccine will mean we canhandle it better (less deaths, less seriously ill etc). We can´t shut down our societys time and time again, what will be left the day the virus is "gone"? [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 7:58]
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The covid virus will never be gone, neither will influenza or the rhinovirus. The key is adapting our body chemistry to deal with them. So in about 10 years, Covid will be a routine thing we can catch - with the vulnerable probably needing a booster (like the flu).
However, we are not there yet - and if we are not careful, we can mutate this virus to resist the effects of the vaccine. So it is essential to get as many people vaccinated as humanly possible before being too gung ho with our exposure to it. As it stands, our pre-vaccine white blood cells just don't do their jobs very well against the virus - so people with weaker immune systems or other risk factors have to be a big part of the consideration for 'life as normal'
Once we get the bulk of the 20+ age range double vaccinated, we should start to making strides toward normality - but as it stands there are a significant number of 30-40-year-olds without their second jab - we're not even close to where we should be for a complete reversal of virus protection measures. | |
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| Confused about Covid on 08:16 - Jul 21 with 2762 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Confused about Covid on 08:03 - Jul 21 by PrideOfTheEast |
Still a significant percentage of the population are not double jabbed. That needs to happen quickly.
Need so much more data than those two statistics. How many have tested, how many were double jabbed, how many had an underlying health issues etc. |
The biggest unknown ( not reported) figure is the number of positive tests where no symptoms are showing.
The more you test the more you will find that are positive. The biggest danger is unknowingly spreading Covid. If, as I suspect, the number not showing symptoms is rising then we all need to follow government guidance to protect others. |  |
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| Confused about Covid on 08:29 - Jul 21 with 2667 views | ZXBlue |
| Confused about Covid on 07:54 - Jul 21 by wkj |
I was really quite shocked this week when going around the village and local areas to see how sensibly people are governing themselves with covid. People were still distancing, still wearing masks, and being very conscientious of their surroundings.
It makes you wonder how different things would have been had the UK Government (and various other world governments) would have had a consistent approach from the start instead of a cycle of Feast and Famine for control measures. |
Unfortunately this does not appear to be universal.
I made the mistake of going into Sainsburys and TX Maxx yesterday. Id say mask use in Sainsburys was about 70%. Sainsburys say they still require masks but they really dont. They have taken down all the protective barriers, removed all the sanitiser and no longer have anyone encouraging or handing out masks on the door. Its back to normal. TX Maxx was about 40 to 50% mask use. I left. | | | |
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| Confused about Covid on 08:31 - Jul 21 with 2659 views | Kropotkin123 |
Would be interesting to see more in-depth data. Eg, are the people dying, those that have chosen not to get vaccinated? If so, at what point does it no longer become societies responsibility?
I briefly joined a company and I was in an immediate team of five, one was going on about Bill Gates and how she wouldn't get it. And another was saying how his parents think it is a "plandemic" and won't get it.
We can't keep society closed forever, particularly if it is those people that are the cause and are the ones dying.
And if they are the cause and are killing people with their choices, at what point are forced vaccines appropriate? I definitely agree with vaccine passports for anything perceived as fun, in order to apply pressure on those choosing not to. |  |
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| Confused about Covid on 08:33 - Jul 21 with 2644 views | WD19 |
| Confused about Covid on 08:16 - Jul 21 by Pinewoodblue |
The biggest unknown ( not reported) figure is the number of positive tests where no symptoms are showing.
The more you test the more you will find that are positive. The biggest danger is unknowingly spreading Covid. If, as I suspect, the number not showing symptoms is rising then we all need to follow government guidance to protect others. |
This information is known. There are large surveillance studies measuring it carefully.
I don’t have the information at my fingertips, but I dont think the % is changing…..however as the incidence climbs rapidly then the absolute # of asymptotic people mooching about will climb corespondingly as you say. |  | | |
| Confused about Covid on 08:54 - Jul 21 with 2534 views | farkenhell |
| Confused about Covid on 08:29 - Jul 21 by ZXBlue |
Unfortunately this does not appear to be universal.
I made the mistake of going into Sainsburys and TX Maxx yesterday. Id say mask use in Sainsburys was about 70%. Sainsburys say they still require masks but they really dont. They have taken down all the protective barriers, removed all the sanitiser and no longer have anyone encouraging or handing out masks on the door. Its back to normal. TX Maxx was about 40 to 50% mask use. I left. |
Good to see how much (or now little) Sainsburys think of its staff! I shop more upmarket (Aldi) and as of yesterday, the sanitiser and screens were still in place. And hey presto, everyone was still wearing a mask. | | | |
| Confused about Covid on 08:54 - Jul 21 with 2531 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Confused about Covid on 08:16 - Jul 21 by Pinewoodblue |
The biggest unknown ( not reported) figure is the number of positive tests where no symptoms are showing.
The more you test the more you will find that are positive. The biggest danger is unknowingly spreading Covid. If, as I suspect, the number not showing symptoms is rising then we all need to follow government guidance to protect others. |
I agree. And if we’re all double jabbed then presumably we expect the worst impacts to reduce massively.
That’s the message to get across but whoever is in charge of messaging is failing massively. | | | |
| Confused about Covid on 08:56 - Jul 21 with 2510 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Confused about Covid on 08:33 - Jul 21 by WD19 |
This information is known. There are large surveillance studies measuring it carefully.
I don’t have the information at my fingertips, but I dont think the % is changing…..however as the incidence climbs rapidly then the absolute # of asymptotic people mooching about will climb corespondingly as you say. |
The majority of those who catch Covid get in from someone not displaying any symptoms. It is important to wear a mask to stop you, unknowingly, infecting others. | |
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| Confused about Covid on 09:01 - Jul 21 with 2475 views | Churchman |
| Confused about Covid on 08:31 - Jul 21 by Kropotkin123 |
Would be interesting to see more in-depth data. Eg, are the people dying, those that have chosen not to get vaccinated? If so, at what point does it no longer become societies responsibility?
I briefly joined a company and I was in an immediate team of five, one was going on about Bill Gates and how she wouldn't get it. And another was saying how his parents think it is a "plandemic" and won't get it.
We can't keep society closed forever, particularly if it is those people that are the cause and are the ones dying.
And if they are the cause and are killing people with their choices, at what point are forced vaccines appropriate? I definitely agree with vaccine passports for anything perceived as fun, in order to apply pressure on those choosing not to. |
I would make vaccination compulsory, unless there is a medical reason not to.
People who don’t have the vaccine are not only more of a threat to others, but the taxpayer has to pay for their treatment.
I was with a chum yesterday afternoon and he told me that a mutual acquaintance, who is a massive anti-vaxer and doesn’t believe C-19 is anything more than a government conspiracy, has just come out of hospital after 2 weeks. He didn’t quite need to go into intensive care but wasn’t a happy bunny and still isn’t. He’s having a rethink. |  | | |
| Confused about Covid on 09:06 - Jul 21 with 2434 views | mrshallisfit |
| Confused about Covid on 08:10 - Jul 21 by wkj |
The covid virus will never be gone, neither will influenza or the rhinovirus. The key is adapting our body chemistry to deal with them. So in about 10 years, Covid will be a routine thing we can catch - with the vulnerable probably needing a booster (like the flu).
However, we are not there yet - and if we are not careful, we can mutate this virus to resist the effects of the vaccine. So it is essential to get as many people vaccinated as humanly possible before being too gung ho with our exposure to it. As it stands, our pre-vaccine white blood cells just don't do their jobs very well against the virus - so people with weaker immune systems or other risk factors have to be a big part of the consideration for 'life as normal'
Once we get the bulk of the 20+ age range double vaccinated, we should start to making strides toward normality - but as it stands there are a significant number of 30-40-year-olds without their second jab - we're not even close to where we should be for a complete reversal of virus protection measures. |
What is the RhinoVirus? Does it give you the horn? | | | |
| Confused about Covid on 09:09 - Jul 21 with 2421 views | kiwiblue |
| Confused about Covid on 08:10 - Jul 21 by wkj |
The covid virus will never be gone, neither will influenza or the rhinovirus. The key is adapting our body chemistry to deal with them. So in about 10 years, Covid will be a routine thing we can catch - with the vulnerable probably needing a booster (like the flu).
However, we are not there yet - and if we are not careful, we can mutate this virus to resist the effects of the vaccine. So it is essential to get as many people vaccinated as humanly possible before being too gung ho with our exposure to it. As it stands, our pre-vaccine white blood cells just don't do their jobs very well against the virus - so people with weaker immune systems or other risk factors have to be a big part of the consideration for 'life as normal'
Once we get the bulk of the 20+ age range double vaccinated, we should start to making strides toward normality - but as it stands there are a significant number of 30-40-year-olds without their second jab - we're not even close to where we should be for a complete reversal of virus protection measures. |
Thanks for all your views. We are in a unique position here in NZ.
Borders open with Aussie but they are getting a fourth wave due to people treating it as normal.
We are clear of community infection for almost 9 months apart from incoming kiwis at the border going into controlled isolation for 14 days.
Jabs slowly getting sorted but only around 30% if that.
Like some say where are all the infections being caused and is it to non vac minded people That is the bit concerning me as I get the jabs 1st last week and 2nd in two weeks. | | | |
| Confused about Covid on 09:13 - Jul 21 with 2395 views | Guthrum |
Probably misleading to think in those terms. There is no determinate number, sequence or frequency of waves. This is, effectively, the first wave of the Delta Variant.
Moreover, vaccination is proving of limited effectiveness in preventing catching this version of the disease, but, so far, hospitalisation and, particularly, death figures are way below what you would expect from this number of infections. There is no comparable, proportionate spike on the latter two graphs. So, as one would expect, it is helping people fight off attacks of Covid better. |  |
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| Confused about Covid on 09:29 - Jul 21 with 2304 views | Guthrum |
| Confused about Covid on 08:31 - Jul 21 by Kropotkin123 |
Would be interesting to see more in-depth data. Eg, are the people dying, those that have chosen not to get vaccinated? If so, at what point does it no longer become societies responsibility?
I briefly joined a company and I was in an immediate team of five, one was going on about Bill Gates and how she wouldn't get it. And another was saying how his parents think it is a "plandemic" and won't get it.
We can't keep society closed forever, particularly if it is those people that are the cause and are the ones dying.
And if they are the cause and are killing people with their choices, at what point are forced vaccines appropriate? I definitely agree with vaccine passports for anything perceived as fun, in order to apply pressure on those choosing not to. |
Last I heard, proportions of double-, single- and un-vaccinated among the dying mirrored that in the wider population.
However, overall there are very much lower numbers dying at the moment than one would expect for the infection rate over the last month. Probably too low to make any valid statistical judgements from, other than that not many people are dying.
Which, given the Delta Variant does not appear to be any less unpleasant than its cousins, would suggest that vaccination is having some positive effect. | |
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| Confused about Covid on 09:33 - Jul 21 with 2274 views | TractorWood |
| Confused about Covid on 09:09 - Jul 21 by kiwiblue |
Thanks for all your views. We are in a unique position here in NZ.
Borders open with Aussie but they are getting a fourth wave due to people treating it as normal.
We are clear of community infection for almost 9 months apart from incoming kiwis at the border going into controlled isolation for 14 days.
Jabs slowly getting sorted but only around 30% if that.
Like some say where are all the infections being caused and is it to non vac minded people That is the bit concerning me as I get the jabs 1st last week and 2nd in two weeks. |
Although approach and outcomes have been totally different. Oz and presumably NZ actually face the same problem as us. Vaccine rates are going up and so will positive cases. The vaccine doesn't stop positive cases or hospitalisation full stop, it reduces them. 40% of people in hospital here have had both jabs but critically we aren't seeing proportional increase in mortality.
So when everyone in Oz and NZ is vaccinated and people start to get COVID and become hospitalised, what is the play? Continue to lockdown over 3 cases? Or live with it? I guess that is the experiment the UK is currently doing as a giant Petri dish. |  |
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| Confused about Covid on 11:06 - Jul 21 with 2098 views | wkj |
| Confused about Covid on 09:06 - Jul 21 by mrshallisfit |
What is the RhinoVirus? Does it give you the horn? |
Not much doesn't these days. Though the sensible answer is that it's the virus responsible for the common cold. [Post edited 21 Jul 2021 11:07]
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| Confused about Covid on 11:36 - Jul 21 with 2023 views | BtreeBlueBlood |
unfortunately hospitals reporting mainly under 40s 1jab
and those over who thought they were invincible. |  | | |
| Confused about Covid on 11:38 - Jul 21 with 2015 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Confused about Covid on 08:31 - Jul 21 by Kropotkin123 |
Would be interesting to see more in-depth data. Eg, are the people dying, those that have chosen not to get vaccinated? If so, at what point does it no longer become societies responsibility?
I briefly joined a company and I was in an immediate team of five, one was going on about Bill Gates and how she wouldn't get it. And another was saying how his parents think it is a "plandemic" and won't get it.
We can't keep society closed forever, particularly if it is those people that are the cause and are the ones dying.
And if they are the cause and are killing people with their choices, at what point are forced vaccines appropriate? I definitely agree with vaccine passports for anything perceived as fun, in order to apply pressure on those choosing not to. |
Think Fauci said in the USA that 99% of those dying now were unvaccinated.
Here 60% of those in hospital are unvaccinated and 40% had one or two doses.
The vaccines work |  | | |
| Confused about Covid on 11:49 - Jul 21 with 1971 views | Parsley |
| Confused about Covid on 11:38 - Jul 21 by ElderGrizzly |
Think Fauci said in the USA that 99% of those dying now were unvaccinated.
Here 60% of those in hospital are unvaccinated and 40% had one or two doses.
The vaccines work |
Think it's important to say as well that with ~88% of the adult population having at least one dose of vaccine that the 60% of hospitalisations comes from a relatively small proportion of the population. |  | | |
| To try and look at this positively..... on 11:59 - Jul 21 with 1944 views | Bloots |
....which is obviously difficult.
We are seeing a 7 day average infection rate of 47,000 currently (and rising)
We have a 7 day death average of 49 (and rising)
We last saw a 7 day average of 47,000 (and rising) on 2nd Jan (actually 48,671)
The 7 day average death rate that day was 592.
So the number of deaths is around 92% lower, it has been close to this figure most of this wave.
The last peak "peaked" at 59,500, with deaths peaking at an average of 1,244.
If this wave replicates the last one we would see the average deaths peaking at around 100 on or around 14th Aug.
Obviously there are variables, before anyone dives in, but the vaccines are working. |  |
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| Confused about Covid on 12:09 - Jul 21 with 1909 views | DebsyAngel |
I am terrified and instead of "learning to live with the virus" I am not living my life at all.
I thought having the 2 jabs would make me safe and that I could slowly start to resume my normal life. I am scared to go out, even to football, in case I meet with my parents and give my Dad the virus. He has COPD and other illnesses and has had 2 jabs but I don;t want to have to live my life locked in my house.
I have an operation imminent on my nose for a deviated septum, and am scared if I catch the virus in there. It was boiling and airless in there at my pre-op appointment Monday and even though I had a mask on (and struggled to contain my anxiety and breathing), had to remove it for various tests. A lot of the consultants were putting masks on and off even in the tiny little rooms.
I cannot do the LFT tests once my operation is done as my nose will be healing.
I do not want to live another year trapped in here, with frightening news every day, on every website I read, I am having a big birthday the end of this month, and having 4 family round who are all fully jabbed, and am scared that they will get ill. |  | | |
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