| Flynn Downes.... 20:05 - Mar 22 with 5402 views | itfcjoe |
...interesting that KD said that him and Klug worked really hard to get Downes to want to stay - and then when him and Cook met about it they ended up butting heads and falling out.
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| Flynn Downes.... on 20:10 - Mar 22 with 4464 views | cbower |
The more you hear about Cook, the clearer it becomes he was never the right man. |  |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 20:13 - Mar 22 with 4433 views | Churchman |
| Flynn Downes.... on 20:10 - Mar 22 by cbower |
The more you hear about Cook, the clearer it becomes he was never the right man. |
Indeed. Nice, hard working bloke but utterly ill suited to the club. Downes wanted away a year before. I seriously doubt he’d have stayed whoever was in charge, but of course only FD knows the answer to that. |  | | |
| Flynn Downes.... on 20:18 - Mar 22 with 4379 views | southnorfolkblue |
That was the one bit of the interview that raised more questions than answers because KD was very clear that Cook wanted him to stay…so what on earth happened in that meeting? |  |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 20:24 - Mar 22 with 4301 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Flynn Downes.... on 20:18 - Mar 22 by southnorfolkblue |
That was the one bit of the interview that raised more questions than answers because KD was very clear that Cook wanted him to stay…so what on earth happened in that meeting? |
Downes wanted out, it's a simple as that. You could try all you like to get him to stay, his mind was made up 2 seasons ago. Fair play to him, he's better than town in league 1. It's as simple as that. |  |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 20:42 - Mar 22 with 4175 views | Brads |
| Flynn Downes.... on 20:24 - Mar 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Downes wanted out, it's a simple as that. You could try all you like to get him to stay, his mind was made up 2 seasons ago. Fair play to him, he's better than town in league 1. It's as simple as that. |
Surely the takeover changed things though. Sounds like he could have been talked into staying if the situation was managed better. I don’t think it’s as simple as just saying well he wanted out. Morsy didn’t particularly want to come but he’s still been great for us. |  | | |
| Flynn Downes.... on 20:48 - Mar 22 with 4106 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Flynn Downes.... on 20:42 - Mar 22 by Brads |
Surely the takeover changed things though. Sounds like he could have been talked into staying if the situation was managed better. I don’t think it’s as simple as just saying well he wanted out. Morsy didn’t particularly want to come but he’s still been great for us. |
Not really, it still would have been another year in league 1. He's had 1 season in the champ and could now be moving to the Prem if rumours are true.
I wanted Downes to stay, but you can see why he didn't want to and you can't blame him at all. | |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 23:05 - Mar 22 with 3755 views | Brads |
| Flynn Downes.... on 20:48 - Mar 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Not really, it still would have been another year in league 1. He's had 1 season in the champ and could now be moving to the Prem if rumours are true.
I wanted Downes to stay, but you can see why he didn't want to and you can't blame him at all. |
Just didn’t sound like it was that simple from what Dyer said, otherwise there wouldn’t have been a second meeting. Anyway, done now but interesting to hear about. | | | |
| Flynn Downes.... on 23:44 - Mar 22 with 3639 views | Simonds92 |
And yet in the same interview he commented on how hard Cook worked that he was involved in all the age groups, enthusiastic and driven taking on possibly too much. I'm not saying your post is a slight dig at Cook but it could be interpreted as one. There are also a lot of people on here that are weirdly obsessed with hammering him at every opportunity to the extent they are hoping Chesterfield fall apart which is obviously ridiculous.
Fwiw i don't think there was any opportunity to keep FD at the club unless we got promoted last season, his head was turned and there wasn't any coming back from that. I do agree he could have made a massive difference to us this season though. | | | |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 23:51 - Mar 22 with 3614 views | BlueBadger |
| Flynn Downes.... on 23:44 - Mar 22 by Simonds92 |
And yet in the same interview he commented on how hard Cook worked that he was involved in all the age groups, enthusiastic and driven taking on possibly too much. I'm not saying your post is a slight dig at Cook but it could be interpreted as one. There are also a lot of people on here that are weirdly obsessed with hammering him at every opportunity to the extent they are hoping Chesterfield fall apart which is obviously ridiculous.
Fwiw i don't think there was any opportunity to keep FD at the club unless we got promoted last season, his head was turned and there wasn't any coming back from that. I do agree he could have made a massive difference to us this season though. |
In all fairness, if your whole coaching structure is basically 'are you from Liverpool and live 4-2-3-1? You're in' it's not that hard to cover a whole club. |  |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 01:16 - Mar 23 with 3509 views | Brads |
| Flynn Downes.... on 23:44 - Mar 22 by Simonds92 |
And yet in the same interview he commented on how hard Cook worked that he was involved in all the age groups, enthusiastic and driven taking on possibly too much. I'm not saying your post is a slight dig at Cook but it could be interpreted as one. There are also a lot of people on here that are weirdly obsessed with hammering him at every opportunity to the extent they are hoping Chesterfield fall apart which is obviously ridiculous.
Fwiw i don't think there was any opportunity to keep FD at the club unless we got promoted last season, his head was turned and there wasn't any coming back from that. I do agree he could have made a massive difference to us this season though. |
No beef with Cooky and wouldn’t be much point in having a dig at him on a forum that he’s never gonna read anyway tbf. Was just reflecting on KD’s perspective on it re the thread out of interest. Guess you must know Downes or people close to the situation to know that there was zero chance of him staying and that KD and BK were wasting their time though. Otherwise you’d just be making assumptions about something that you don’t know much about so aren’t really in a position to completely rule out… | | | |
| Flynn Downes.... on 03:12 - Mar 23 with 3422 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Flynn Downes.... on 23:51 - Mar 22 by BlueBadger |
In all fairness, if your whole coaching structure is basically 'are you from Liverpool and live 4-2-3-1? You're in' it's not that hard to cover a whole club. |
Well that just isn’t true. |  |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 04:31 - Mar 23 with 3380 views | Illinoisblue |
| Flynn Downes.... on 23:44 - Mar 22 by Simonds92 |
And yet in the same interview he commented on how hard Cook worked that he was involved in all the age groups, enthusiastic and driven taking on possibly too much. I'm not saying your post is a slight dig at Cook but it could be interpreted as one. There are also a lot of people on here that are weirdly obsessed with hammering him at every opportunity to the extent they are hoping Chesterfield fall apart which is obviously ridiculous.
Fwiw i don't think there was any opportunity to keep FD at the club unless we got promoted last season, his head was turned and there wasn't any coming back from that. I do agree he could have made a massive difference to us this season though. |
Imagine Downes and Morsy together from day 1 of the season. Unstoppable in L1 (apart from
Inevitable suspensions) |  |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 07:06 - Mar 23 with 3190 views | hype313 |
Yep, and I have been in the camp of he wanted to leave regardless, a fresh start etc. And now it transpires there was actually an opportunity to keep him, and Cook effed that up, brilliant. |  |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 07:21 - Mar 23 with 3148 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Swansea’s ‘highly impressive Flynn Downes’ is being lined up to replace The Yorkshire Pirlo at Leeds. I think it’s a bit fanciful to think he’d have stayed at a moribund third division club. The real tragedy was loaning him out to Luton when he could have been playing for Town. Strange to think that he might be playing Luton in the Prem while Town remain rooted in the 3rd division | |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 09:10 - Mar 23 with 2908 views | itfcjoe |
| Flynn Downes.... on 23:44 - Mar 22 by Simonds92 |
And yet in the same interview he commented on how hard Cook worked that he was involved in all the age groups, enthusiastic and driven taking on possibly too much. I'm not saying your post is a slight dig at Cook but it could be interpreted as one. There are also a lot of people on here that are weirdly obsessed with hammering him at every opportunity to the extent they are hoping Chesterfield fall apart which is obviously ridiculous.
Fwiw i don't think there was any opportunity to keep FD at the club unless we got promoted last season, his head was turned and there wasn't any coming back from that. I do agree he could have made a massive difference to us this season though. |
Dyer literally says that him and Klug worked incredibly hard and got him to the position where there was a chance he could/would stay - so there obviously was an opportunity | |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 09:17 - Mar 23 with 2860 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Flynn Downes.... on 09:10 - Mar 23 by itfcjoe |
Dyer literally says that him and Klug worked incredibly hard and got him to the position where there was a chance he could/would stay - so there obviously was an opportunity |
Had heard similar at the time, that Cook wanted to get Downes involved again, but Downes told him that he'd still like to go if an acceptable offer came in and Cook didn't take too kindly to that (having gone in the meeting expecting him to stay). | |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 09:18 - Mar 23 with 2850 views | BiGDonnie |
That's annoying.
Cook, worst manager we've had. Change my mind. |  |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 09:22 - Mar 23 with 2831 views | clive_baker |
He's definitely one that got away, at the age he's at and the clear ability he had demonstrated in his young career it's a crying shame that he moved on. Most of the departurtes were valid, but there was definitely a case of baby out with the bathwater in a few instances for me, Downes being one. Hard to say where his head was at and if Cook could've convinced him to stay regardless, but certiainly felt like there was little attempt made. Could argue had he not gone we wouldn't have been able to fund certain other acquisitions, but it definitely hurt at the time and still does now. |  |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 09:23 - Mar 23 with 2831 views | Dubtractor |
| Flynn Downes.... on 09:18 - Mar 23 by BiGDonnie |
That's annoying.
Cook, worst manager we've had. Change my mind. |
There is some stiff competition, mostly called Paul, but he is up there.
Came into the club, blew everything up around him, blamed everyone else, made a mess with a hand picked squad, got sacked.
He may well have been hard working, but he made a mess of things and alienated a lot of people in the process. [Post edited 23 Mar 2022 9:41]
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| Flynn Downes.... on 09:25 - Mar 23 with 2816 views | clive_baker |
| Flynn Downes.... on 09:23 - Mar 23 by Dubtractor |
There is some stiff competition, mostly called Paul, but he is up there.
Came into the club, blew everything up around him, blamed everyone else, made a mess with a hand picked squad, got sacked.
He may well have been hard working, but he made a mess of things and alienated a lot of people in the process. [Post edited 23 Mar 2022 9:41]
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Not to mention building what can only be described as one of the least convincing and balanced support teams imaginable. Talk about jobs for old mates. Absolutely criminal. | |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 09:34 - Mar 23 with 2750 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| Flynn Downes.... on 09:23 - Mar 23 by Dubtractor |
There is some stiff competition, mostly called Paul, but he is up there.
Came into the club, blew everything up around him, blamed everyone else, made a mess with a hand picked squad, got sacked.
He may well have been hard working, but he made a mess of things and alienated a lot of people in the process. [Post edited 23 Mar 2022 9:41]
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I think the point here is that if you're working really hard but what you are doing is wrong, you are just going to do a lot more of that 'wrong' a lot faster. |  |
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| Flynn Downes.... on 09:38 - Mar 23 with 2705 views | NthQldITFC |
| Flynn Downes.... on 04:31 - Mar 23 by Illinoisblue |
Imagine Downes and Morsy together from day 1 of the season. Unstoppable in L1 (apart from
Inevitable suspensions) |
I suppose that it would theoretically have been possible for Sam and Flynn to overload the FA suspenders (ooh-er, missus!) with work, and therefore break the system and allow both to play on anyway?
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| Flynn Downes.... on 09:45 - Mar 23 with 2655 views | BlueBadger |
| Flynn Downes.... on 09:18 - Mar 23 by BiGDonnie |
That's annoying.
Cook, worst manager we've had. Change my mind. |
He's not even the worst Paul we ever had in charge. He at least didn't rip up a competent-for-the-division side(actually he did, but he didn't replace them with players who were competent players for the division below) or get us relegated. Merely marooning us in League One makes him only third worst.
Our worst ever manager's title is a joint holding between Keane and Hurst. [Post edited 23 Mar 2022 13:25]
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| Flynn Downes.... on 09:47 - Mar 23 with 2637 views | clive_baker |
| Flynn Downes.... on 07:21 - Mar 23 by ElephantintheRoom |
Swansea’s ‘highly impressive Flynn Downes’ is being lined up to replace The Yorkshire Pirlo at Leeds. I think it’s a bit fanciful to think he’d have stayed at a moribund third division club. The real tragedy was loaning him out to Luton when he could have been playing for Town. Strange to think that he might be playing Luton in the Prem while Town remain rooted in the 3rd division |
He was under contract here, so to some extent it's not fanciful at all, he could've done naff all about it if we dug our heels in. For me it was clearly a case of freeing up 7 figures of transfer fee and a decent salary to reinvest in the likes of Morsy, Celina etc. It would've been difficult to facilitate those transfers had some higher profile departures not taken place.
As for the Phillip's replacement, as much as I rate Downes I don't think he's got anything like the quality on the ball and range of passing that Phillips has.
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| Flynn Downes.... on 09:57 - Mar 23 with 2565 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Flynn Downes.... on 01:16 - Mar 23 by Brads |
No beef with Cooky and wouldn’t be much point in having a dig at him on a forum that he’s never gonna read anyway tbf. Was just reflecting on KD’s perspective on it re the thread out of interest. Guess you must know Downes or people close to the situation to know that there was zero chance of him staying and that KD and BK were wasting their time though. Otherwise you’d just be making assumptions about something that you don’t know much about so aren’t really in a position to completely rule out… |
If you have to work that hard at persuading someone to stay, do you really want them anyway? If their heart's not really in it then somewhere down the line those pigeons will come home to roost. |  |
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