| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? 12:16 - Jun 2 with 4528 views | Crawfordsboot |
Disrupting the celebrations by protesting members of animal rebellion. Are they self righteous prat’s Totally out of step with the beliefs of the vast majority or are they the enlightened few? |  | | |  |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:24 - Jun 2 with 2382 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:32 - Jun 2 with 2354 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:24 - Jun 2 by Cheltenham_Blue |
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😂 I’m genuinely torn. One the one hand I think society has to be able to set certain limits to direct action - but on the other I’m a republican. | | | |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:35 - Jun 2 with 2334 views | ZXBlue |
In this instance they are idiots imposing themselves on other people's enjoyment. |  | | |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:37 - Jun 2 with 2325 views | Darth_Koont |
Yes. |  |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:38 - Jun 2 with 2315 views | itfcjoe |
Disapprove |  |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:39 - Jun 2 with 2309 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:35 - Jun 2 by ZXBlue |
In this instance they are idiots imposing themselves on other people's enjoyment. |
Is that based on your disagreement with what they are protesting?
I have no idea what they are doing but I think there are two principles at work here. Everyone should have the right to protest peacefully (although the law is changing/has changed to remove that) and there should be a limit to that peaceful protest.
Where the proper balance lies is the tricky bit. So in response to all the questions in the OP, yes. |  |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:40 - Jun 2 with 2282 views | GlasgowBlue |
That can’t be right. He’s posting on TWTD. |  |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:42 - Jun 2 with 2293 views | ZXBlue |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:39 - Jun 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Is that based on your disagreement with what they are protesting?
I have no idea what they are doing but I think there are two principles at work here. Everyone should have the right to protest peacefully (although the law is changing/has changed to remove that) and there should be a limit to that peaceful protest.
Where the proper balance lies is the tricky bit. So in response to all the questions in the OP, yes. |
No it based on people spoiling a one off event that many people are very excited about.
There is causing disruption, and there is being obnoxious and spoiling special occasions for other human beings. | | | |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:42 - Jun 2 with 2290 views | wkj |
The raw logic is that people are using a bank holiday to congregate in mass - so it makes sense.
However, the sensible thing would be not to bother on this occasion as you only alienate yourself from the middle grounders who you're trying to influence the most. |  |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:44 - Jun 2 with 2278 views | Chondzoresk |
Disapprove. Times and places, this isn’t one of them. |  | | |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:49 - Jun 2 with 2265 views | Darth_Koont |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:42 - Jun 2 by wkj |
The raw logic is that people are using a bank holiday to congregate in mass - so it makes sense.
However, the sensible thing would be not to bother on this occasion as you only alienate yourself from the middle grounders who you're trying to influence the most. |
True but that pre-supposes that the “middle grounders” are potential allies. In the cases of previous protests through the years (civil rights, apartheid, women’s rights, gay rights, the environment etc.), I can’t think of any situation where the middle-grounders have helped by not just picking a side.
So it always comes back to awareness of the underlying issue and not the style of protest. | |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:49 - Jun 2 with 2261 views | BLUEBEAT |
Anybody should have the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t have a damaging effect on another.
Unless it’s annihilating monarchies. That is for the general good of the world. |  |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:51 - Jun 2 with 2250 views | wkj |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:49 - Jun 2 by Darth_Koont |
True but that pre-supposes that the “middle grounders” are potential allies. In the cases of previous protests through the years (civil rights, apartheid, women’s rights, gay rights, the environment etc.), I can’t think of any situation where the middle-grounders have helped by not just picking a side.
So it always comes back to awareness of the underlying issue and not the style of protest. |
Back then, maybe - but these days everything hinges on fitting in and being a part of a group. The more you influence, the louder your message. | |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:56 - Jun 2 with 2207 views | Darth_Koont |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:51 - Jun 2 by wkj |
Back then, maybe - but these days everything hinges on fitting in and being a part of a group. The more you influence, the louder your message. |
Ideally, yes. But when it comes to protest, the more acceptable it is the more it will be completely ignored.
I think people should always take a step forward 20 years and then look back at events like this. The complaint that this is disrupting people’s enjoyment will look very silly and selfish indeed when we’re staring down the barrel of millions of deaths and global upheaval on a never-before seen level.
It’s also not going to ruin the flag-waving orgy of the Platinum Jubilee. So there’s really no victim here. | |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:57 - Jun 2 with 2207 views | ghostofescobar |
The only thing I quite like is the thought of golf playing gammons absolutely foaming at the mouth, red faces, heads virtually exploding over it. That warms my soul. |  |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:57 - Jun 2 with 2186 views | Ryorry |
Have been watching in dribs n drabs, a few mins here & there, not seen any protests at all.
Really do think it's time to take a stand against the wearing of those bearskins as the official headgear tho - dread to think of how many bears have had to be killed over the decades, & it's now a particularly outdated & obnoxious tradition. |  |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:59 - Jun 2 with 2178 views | monytowbray |
I personally feel if we had abolished the monarchy by Sunday through direct action, we may be close to going too far. |  |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:02 - Jun 2 with 2167 views | ZXBlue |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 12:57 - Jun 2 by ghostofescobar |
The only thing I quite like is the thought of golf playing gammons absolutely foaming at the mouth, red faces, heads virtually exploding over it. That warms my soul. |
How very unpleasant. | | | |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:05 - Jun 2 with 2140 views | monytowbray |
Crawford, do you fancy adding this to the OP as I feel facts are hugely being skipped over.
The Royals have lobbied to make Environment and climate protection laws not apply to their land: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/28/queen-secretly-lobbied-scottish-
I feel like important facts like that justify a protesters actions over anyone having some f**king scones this weekend. | |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:08 - Jun 2 with 2124 views | wkj |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:05 - Jun 2 by monytowbray |
Crawford, do you fancy adding this to the OP as I feel facts are hugely being skipped over.
The Royals have lobbied to make Environment and climate protection laws not apply to their land: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/28/queen-secretly-lobbied-scottish-
I feel like important facts like that justify a protesters actions over anyone having some f**king scones this weekend. |
Now THAT is some good thinking - Your influencing is finally starting to work! I'm off to make some scones. | |
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:08 - Jun 2 with 2116 views | Churchman |
Disapprove. Wrong time, wrong place. |  | | |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:18 - Jun 2 with 2045 views | monytowbray |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:08 - Jun 2 by Churchman |
Disapprove. Wrong time, wrong place. |
And we loop back to that old dilemma that the “right” time and way to protest is in a way where it bothers no one, has no impact, is seen by no one and largely does nothing.
What people also forget is “wrong” way to protest always happens after “right” way has been exhausted and ignored.
I’d love for everyone to quietly realise going vegan, reducing travel and highly proactive conscious spending (Do I really need this? Could I make it myself with repurposed materials? Is it wasteful? What harm was done in it’s production/transport? What ethics do the company making/selling it abide by? Etc) would change the world very fast and do what we need to save the planet. But that isn’t happening, therefore WAVE AND MAKE BIG NOISE OR WE ALL DIE OFF IN THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS.
It’s a very big deal, and I don’t think large chunks of society have really woke up to that reality. They are being force fed a false sense of comfort through propaganda/marketing and the illusion of global political stability.
The world will not end with a bang. There will not be a sudden surprise moment where we change overnight and disaster avoided. There will not be a clear A > B action plan from any politician that would work (they are largely inept these days and not fit for purpose). Scientists will do their best but hope would be limited (it already is in scientific communities if you wondered, many have made their peace with the death of earth).
It will be slow. Painful. Gradual. It will be water and crop shortages that mean we have no food. It will be weather conditions that regularly reek havoc and create eco refugees. County boarders will spring up with UK citizens treat other UK citizens the same way right wingers treat Channel refugees today. Policing and oppressive forces all be doubling down during this period to get to comply. Warring political factions will mean continual danger and instability whilst you’re just looking to keep a roof on your head and food in your mouth. Money will become largely useless. [Post edited 2 Jun 2022 13:26]
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| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:25 - Jun 2 with 2015 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:05 - Jun 2 by monytowbray |
Crawford, do you fancy adding this to the OP as I feel facts are hugely being skipped over.
The Royals have lobbied to make Environment and climate protection laws not apply to their land: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/28/queen-secretly-lobbied-scottish-
I feel like important facts like that justify a protesters actions over anyone having some f**king scones this weekend. |
I have no argument with your sentiment but my focus really is about how to resolve the tension between the right to protest and the rights of members of society to go about their lives in accordance with socially accepted norms. As has been noted elsewhere drawing the line is the tricky bit.
Re. The celebrations today - Personally I loathe the sycophantic fawning to the the royals but I know that a great many people love and respect them. I am therefore hunkered down watching the cricket! | | | |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:26 - Jun 2 with 2007 views | MattinLondon |
Approve. |  | | |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:27 - Jun 2 with 2000 views | Darth_Koont |
| Do you approve or disapprove of the direct action protest on the Mall? on 13:18 - Jun 2 by monytowbray |
And we loop back to that old dilemma that the “right” time and way to protest is in a way where it bothers no one, has no impact, is seen by no one and largely does nothing.
What people also forget is “wrong” way to protest always happens after “right” way has been exhausted and ignored.
I’d love for everyone to quietly realise going vegan, reducing travel and highly proactive conscious spending (Do I really need this? Could I make it myself with repurposed materials? Is it wasteful? What harm was done in it’s production/transport? What ethics do the company making/selling it abide by? Etc) would change the world very fast and do what we need to save the planet. But that isn’t happening, therefore WAVE AND MAKE BIG NOISE OR WE ALL DIE OFF IN THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS.
It’s a very big deal, and I don’t think large chunks of society have really woke up to that reality. They are being force fed a false sense of comfort through propaganda/marketing and the illusion of global political stability.
The world will not end with a bang. There will not be a sudden surprise moment where we change overnight and disaster avoided. There will not be a clear A > B action plan from any politician that would work (they are largely inept these days and not fit for purpose). Scientists will do their best but hope would be limited (it already is in scientific communities if you wondered, many have made their peace with the death of earth).
It will be slow. Painful. Gradual. It will be water and crop shortages that mean we have no food. It will be weather conditions that regularly reek havoc and create eco refugees. County boarders will spring up with UK citizens treat other UK citizens the same way right wingers treat Channel refugees today. Policing and oppressive forces all be doubling down during this period to get to comply. Warring political factions will mean continual danger and instability whilst you’re just looking to keep a roof on your head and food in your mouth. Money will become largely useless. [Post edited 2 Jun 2022 13:26]
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Indeed.
It’s also always worth remembering that someone like Martin Luther King, who is often now held up as an exemplar of the right way of protesting, was seen by the majority as a troublemaker and causer of riots. Even at the time of his death.
And in fact it was the riots after his death that really put the Civil Rights Act on the agenda. | |
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