| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… 22:04 - Jul 20 with 4430 views | SitfcB |
…I still think we’ll see him back here, probably near the end of the window.
Unfinished business.
Needs to have the first half of the season he had last season all season! |  |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 22:07 - Jul 20 with 3938 views | chicoazul |
Hope so. |  |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 22:11 - Jul 20 with 3875 views | FrimleyBlue |
Well he said he's got a few people to prove wrong. |  |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 22:14 - Jul 20 with 3861 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
A half season loan might be ideal. |  |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 22:15 - Jul 20 with 3842 views | Vic |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 22:14 - Jul 20 by Nthsuffolkblue |
A half season loan might be ideal. |
Yep, first half. |  |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 22:16 - Jul 20 with 3821 views | Vic |
He needs to save some for the season proper. If he scores too many in preseason he won’t have any left. | |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 07:48 - Jul 21 with 3148 views | Steve_M |
If Hurst doesn't happen then I wonder if that's when we'll go back.
Obviously a large number of Town fans decided Bonne is crap based on the second half of last season but that can't be helped. |  |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 07:53 - Jul 21 with 3115 views | tractorboy1978 |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 07:48 - Jul 21 by Steve_M |
If Hurst doesn't happen then I wonder if that's when we'll go back.
Obviously a large number of Town fans decided Bonne is crap based on the second half of last season but that can't be helped. |
I'm far from convinced McKenna actually rates him. He was used fairly sporadically during the last third or so of the season and even Pigott often started ahead of him despite looking a fish out of water.
It would be a romantic move though and any proper Town fan would love to see him back and looking the player we saw during the first 3 months of last season. [Post edited 21 Jul 2022 8:07]
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 08:06 - Jul 21 with 3029 views | SomethingBlue |
Goals-wise I think his natural resting place is somewhere between the extremes we saw last season — if he joined the players we've already got and scored 15-18, that'd probably be ok. Not sure it happens though, he seems to be some way down the list. | |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 08:10 - Jul 21 with 2979 views | itfcsuth |
Not for me.
I think he scored 1 goal under McKenna, didn't look a huge threat and just didn't seem to fit the way we are looking to play now.
I love Bonne because he is one of the fans, but not sure he is the best option for us. |  | | |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 08:15 - Jul 21 with 2894 views | Cuffy81 |
I hope so..
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I've personally been through infertility and miscarriage, it turns your world upside down, its hardly surprising it affected his form so badly. | | | |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 08:53 - Jul 21 with 2742 views | BondiBlue |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 07:53 - Jul 21 by tractorboy1978 |
I'm far from convinced McKenna actually rates him. He was used fairly sporadically during the last third or so of the season and even Pigott often started ahead of him despite looking a fish out of water.
It would be a romantic move though and any proper Town fan would love to see him back and looking the player we saw during the first 3 months of last season. [Post edited 21 Jul 2022 8:07]
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I've had similar thoughts but i'm wondering/hoping that not playing him was more a combination of needing to give contracted players opportunities and protecting him from too much public scrutiny while he was having personal problems and out of form.
I'd like him back. | |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 08:57 - Jul 21 with 2715 views | WeWereZombies |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 22:16 - Jul 20 by Vic |
He needs to save some for the season proper. If he scores too many in preseason he won’t have any left. |
He could always borrow some from 2023/24. |  |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 09:19 - Jul 21 with 2603 views | Sikamikanico |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 08:15 - Jul 21 by Cuffy81 |
I hope so..
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I've personally been through infertility and miscarriage, it turns your world upside down, its hardly surprising it affected his form so badly. |
I didn't know about that. Have been through the same and it really does affect everything. | | | |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 09:45 - Jul 21 with 2506 views | itfcjoe |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 07:48 - Jul 21 by Steve_M |
If Hurst doesn't happen then I wonder if that's when we'll go back.
Obviously a large number of Town fans decided Bonne is crap based on the second half of last season but that can't be helped. |
I don't see how he properly fits into a McKenna team, the key for me was post the Oxford game where he still didn't get a game from then on as really earned one there and the season was still alive.
I don't think he's a bright enough footballer to play the way he's needed to, it's a very complicated system amongst the front men and he's an instinctive footballer |  |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 09:46 - Jul 21 with 2502 views | ibbleobble |
Doesn’t fit the system. Isn’t good enough. 12-goal flash in the pan.
…or some other such nonsense. | | | |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 09:55 - Jul 21 with 2445 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 09:46 - Jul 21 by ibbleobble |
Doesn’t fit the system. Isn’t good enough. 12-goal flash in the pan.
…or some other such nonsense. |
Why is that nonsense? That's what we saw... and so is all we have to go on. |  |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 10:37 - Jul 21 with 2310 views | ElderGrizzly |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 09:45 - Jul 21 by itfcjoe |
I don't see how he properly fits into a McKenna team, the key for me was post the Oxford game where he still didn't get a game from then on as really earned one there and the season was still alive.
I don't think he's a bright enough footballer to play the way he's needed to, it's a very complicated system amongst the front men and he's an instinctive footballer |
Instinctively offside for most of the game |  | | |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 10:48 - Jul 21 with 2268 views | STYG |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 09:55 - Jul 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why is that nonsense? That's what we saw... and so is all we have to go on. |
Exactly.
Ask yourselves what the reaction would be if we went for a striker that had 1 goal in 30 games in League One at the end of last season.
Then add in the fact that player largely played in the system we play and would probably be in our top 5-6 earners.
The only saving grace would be people saying they trust McKenna. But that's not even relevant to a degree because it was McKenna's system that largely saw him score 1 in 30.
Bonne was on fire when it was a basketball match, teams came at us, they shared possession and we could get in behind them. When we dominated teams, they sat deep and we had to break them down, Bonne didn't get a sniff.
Given we only need to stay as solid as we were and add a few more goals to likely be up in the top 2 or 3, then clearly Bonne does not fit at all and nor would any of us even speak of him if it wasn't him being a Town diehard.
That's all it is. Heart over head stuff. Ultimately any managers that manage with their hearts and not heads are utter failures. | | | |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 10:55 - Jul 21 with 2245 views | jayessess |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 09:45 - Jul 21 by itfcjoe |
I don't see how he properly fits into a McKenna team, the key for me was post the Oxford game where he still didn't get a game from then on as really earned one there and the season was still alive.
I don't think he's a bright enough footballer to play the way he's needed to, it's a very complicated system amongst the front men and he's an instinctive footballer |
He was asked to play something more akin to a classic target man at Oxford, I wonder if you could adjust his game to be something more like that on a permanent basis?
Would give us a slightly different dimension, one we do seem to be searching for with George Hirst? |  |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 10:59 - Jul 21 with 2205 views | STYG |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 10:55 - Jul 21 by jayessess |
He was asked to play something more akin to a classic target man at Oxford, I wonder if you could adjust his game to be something more like that on a permanent basis?
Would give us a slightly different dimension, one we do seem to be searching for with George Hirst? |
It's no coincidence that his best game under McKenna, by an absolute mile, was Oxford away.
A team that like us keep the ball. One that had 12-3 shots against us first half and (aside from Sheff Wed) were the only team to really dominate us in a half under McKenna.
Every game we were expected to win Bonne couldn't get in the game. One of the couple of away games where the opposition went at us, Bonne looked more like his August - October self.
Given that we will likely dominate 80% - 90% of games next season I just can't see any merit in having him at all. For example, someone like Hirst can do the things we want in 100% of the games, whether it's the role we'd need against Morecambe at home or a different role away to Sheff Wed. | | | |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 12:13 - Jul 21 with 2018 views | ibbleobble |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 09:55 - Jul 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why is that nonsense? That's what we saw... and so is all we have to go on. |
Litter strewn barnyard though isn’t it? Bonne’s goals started to dry up when Burns was injured, when we stopped getting in behind teams, when service on the left became non-existent or when we became hell bent on waiting for bodies to hit the box. Folk keep talking about “the system” as a safety net to justify an inability to identify exactly what the issue was in my view.
Sure Bonne missed a few and his confidence went but we’re definitely better with him in the squad than just having Lapado with any real experience vying for that spot.
Im still not sure why folk are tripping over themselves for Hirst over Bonne either. Give me a consistent proven striker any day over a prospect. | | | |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 12:23 - Jul 21 with 1959 views | portmanking |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 09:45 - Jul 21 by itfcjoe |
I don't see how he properly fits into a McKenna team, the key for me was post the Oxford game where he still didn't get a game from then on as really earned one there and the season was still alive.
I don't think he's a bright enough footballer to play the way he's needed to, it's a very complicated system amongst the front men and he's an instinctive footballer |
Unfortunately you've nailed it with your second paragraph.
Just not intelligent enough to play this system. I thought the moment Bonne was pigeon-holed with Norwood as one of the "Bash Brothers" his time was up. | | | |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 12:50 - Jul 21 with 1835 views | BonneNIL |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 07:48 - Jul 21 by Steve_M |
If Hurst doesn't happen then I wonder if that's when we'll go back.
Obviously a large number of Town fans decided Bonne is crap based on the second half of last season but that can't be helped. |
A lot of fans have judged us the best team in the league 3 seasons running and have been wrong about that also.
As much as I would have signed Bonne once we had cleared out Jackson and Piggott, I don't know how he would fit in now with Ladapo, Harness, and John Jules. Harness and Ladapo have a similar record in League One to Bonne anyway, as for John-Jules, he's probably the biggest risk we have taken out of signing those 3.
My biggest concern if I just don't see where the goals are coming from. Wigan had Keane who netted 26, Sunderland had Stewart who also scored 26, and Smith scored 19 for Rotherham. We didn't have 1 striker last season who managed to break the top5 forwards in the league last season, and none of the strikers we have signed this season even broke the top 15. We can't draw our way up. We need to get some goals into the squad or I feel we are wasting our time again. We need someone to be scoring in those high 20s to go up.
As for Jackson, he's barely managed 5 a season for us in 4 years. I don't understand why he was ever kept on. [Post edited 21 Jul 2022 12:52]
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 13:44 - Jul 21 with 1627 views | itfcjoe |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 12:50 - Jul 21 by BonneNIL |
A lot of fans have judged us the best team in the league 3 seasons running and have been wrong about that also.
As much as I would have signed Bonne once we had cleared out Jackson and Piggott, I don't know how he would fit in now with Ladapo, Harness, and John Jules. Harness and Ladapo have a similar record in League One to Bonne anyway, as for John-Jules, he's probably the biggest risk we have taken out of signing those 3.
My biggest concern if I just don't see where the goals are coming from. Wigan had Keane who netted 26, Sunderland had Stewart who also scored 26, and Smith scored 19 for Rotherham. We didn't have 1 striker last season who managed to break the top5 forwards in the league last season, and none of the strikers we have signed this season even broke the top 15. We can't draw our way up. We need to get some goals into the squad or I feel we are wasting our time again. We need someone to be scoring in those high 20s to go up.
As for Jackson, he's barely managed 5 a season for us in 4 years. I don't understand why he was ever kept on. [Post edited 21 Jul 2022 12:52]
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Did anyone expect Will Keane to score 6 goals last season let alone 26? | |
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| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 13:48 - Jul 21 with 1592 views | jayessess |
| M. Bonne putting some goals away in pre-season… on 12:50 - Jul 21 by BonneNIL |
A lot of fans have judged us the best team in the league 3 seasons running and have been wrong about that also.
As much as I would have signed Bonne once we had cleared out Jackson and Piggott, I don't know how he would fit in now with Ladapo, Harness, and John Jules. Harness and Ladapo have a similar record in League One to Bonne anyway, as for John-Jules, he's probably the biggest risk we have taken out of signing those 3.
My biggest concern if I just don't see where the goals are coming from. Wigan had Keane who netted 26, Sunderland had Stewart who also scored 26, and Smith scored 19 for Rotherham. We didn't have 1 striker last season who managed to break the top5 forwards in the league last season, and none of the strikers we have signed this season even broke the top 15. We can't draw our way up. We need to get some goals into the squad or I feel we are wasting our time again. We need someone to be scoring in those high 20s to go up.
As for Jackson, he's barely managed 5 a season for us in 4 years. I don't understand why he was ever kept on. [Post edited 21 Jul 2022 12:52]
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Will Keane's previous most prolific season yielded 10 goals in 32 appearances.
Ross Stewart's best in a serious league was 7 goals in 21 appearances in the SPL.
You go down the rest of the Top 10:
Alife May's best previous season 9 in 44 in League 2
Cole Stockton 13 in 40 in League 2
Scott Twine 13 in 44 across League 2 and League 1
Michael Smith 13 in 40
Ryan Hardie 8 in 16 in the Scottish Championship
Only the veterans on there - Sam Vokes, Matty Taylor and Lee Gregory - had ever previously had a season as prolific as Freddie Ladapo's best (2018-19).
Think people need to re-calibrate their expectations around what "guarantees goals" in League One. [Post edited 21 Jul 2022 13:49]
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