| The Fans Forum 06:20 - Sep 6 with 6254 views | chicoazul |
All this chat about infrastructure and staff and projects and etc and etc
It’s not really…..us is it? This professionalism and briskness and laser guided focus. It makes me feel uneasy, is the only way I can describe it. There’s something off about it. I can’t put my finger on it. Assuming as so often nobody else feels this way? |  |
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| The Fans Forum on 06:28 - Sep 6 with 4144 views | BrianTablet |
Maybe it's a feeling of the end of the romantic ideal that you could achieve success just through on the field, and that the team is all that matters?
We never used to care who the club accountant was or when the turnstiles were last painted, as long as the floodlights worked and we saw beautiful football.
Now we are all 'invested' in the club as a whole, from constant transfer rumours to who is going to be the new kit man's apprentice.
Kind of like Panini albums vs Football Manager.
That kind of feeling? |  |
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| The Fans Forum on 06:34 - Sep 6 with 4107 views | Kropotkin123 |
I was calling for more structure, so no, I'm not. I've felt for a while we needed to be dragged into this century. ME debt structure + slow downward spiral made me feel more uneasy than this. Its not like we are doing a Derby, seems more thorough and built on solid foundations. Just my opinion of course and not looking to discredit yours. Good to hear another side. |  |
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| The Fans Forum on 07:10 - Sep 6 with 4008 views | Churchman |
| The Fans Forum on 06:28 - Sep 6 by BrianTablet |
Maybe it's a feeling of the end of the romantic ideal that you could achieve success just through on the field, and that the team is all that matters?
We never used to care who the club accountant was or when the turnstiles were last painted, as long as the floodlights worked and we saw beautiful football.
Now we are all 'invested' in the club as a whole, from constant transfer rumours to who is going to be the new kit man's apprentice.
Kind of like Panini albums vs Football Manager.
That kind of feeling? |
The first thing to say is that with regard to the OP, people are often unsettled by change. It’s entirely natural.
BrianTablet’s point is interesting. You are right. You never noticed who mowed the grass unless he won pitch of the year. Who put the shirts out, did the admin, fixed the floodlights, arranged stuff. It just got done. In the good ole days a lot of the basic stuff fell to the Club Secretary and some loyal dude or two would do it all.
A chap called FS Mills was Secretary for about 30 years before the war while working as basically a salesman. I noticed him mentioned and pictured in the Ken Rice book years ago because of his old clothes and funny glasses. Scott Duncan did it when he resigned as Manager - the background dudes. They’ve always been there and so have most the functions of the club, albeit on a much smaller scale..
The Chicken Run replacement would have required very similar plan/do activities but as you rightly say, we never heard about it or much else really. All of it was invisible.
Now of course while the principles remain the same, what is done has scaled up astronomically in every way and is of public interest. Personally I find it all really interesting and exciting, especially having worked for years in project-world.
As you rightly say, we are invested in the club as a whole these days. |  | | |
| [Redacted] on 07:41 - Sep 6 with 3882 views | victorywilhappen |
| The Fans Forum on 06:34 - Sep 6 by Kropotkin123 |
I was calling for more structure, so no, I'm not. I've felt for a while we needed to be dragged into this century. ME debt structure + slow downward spiral made me feel more uneasy than this. Its not like we are doing a Derby, seems more thorough and built on solid foundations. Just my opinion of course and not looking to discredit yours. Good to hear another side. |
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| The Fans Forum on 09:00 - Sep 6 with 3693 views | Guthrum |
| The Fans Forum on 06:28 - Sep 6 by BrianTablet |
Maybe it's a feeling of the end of the romantic ideal that you could achieve success just through on the field, and that the team is all that matters?
We never used to care who the club accountant was or when the turnstiles were last painted, as long as the floodlights worked and we saw beautiful football.
Now we are all 'invested' in the club as a whole, from constant transfer rumours to who is going to be the new kit man's apprentice.
Kind of like Panini albums vs Football Manager.
That kind of feeling? |
A romantic ideal dating back to a former era of the sport, when the amusingly eccentric family owners of a regional brewery could achieve massive success with only witty comments, wine in the boardroom and little apparent structure. Whereas in reality, they hired a very organised and technically gifted manager - the equivalent in that time of our backroom structures now.
As we have found in the last decade or so, simply hiring a manager doesn't cut it any more. The levels of recruitment, analysis, physical and mental care are what's giving us the edge. The manager has to have that other workload taken off to do his own preparation. If we don't have the staff, it's done poorly or not at all.
Regarding the stuff at Portman Rd, if we want to be in the Prem, we need a ground to match. That can't all be done in the summer of promotion. Plus we need to get the fans in and motivated.
It is no longer possible to run a club like the Cobbolds in the 1970s. Not in the Championship and above, anyway. |  |
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| The Fans Forum on 09:16 - Sep 6 with 3631 views | ElephantintheRoom |
It’s franchise football- a pair of chancers have convinced some people to borrow some money to create and fund a gravy train in Suffolk that didn’t quite work in Bristol.
No different really to Evans sending an identical fax to six different clubs and seeing if anyone bites on his ‘vision’
All is well at the moment - and Town might even shortly beat Cambridge. I doubt it will end well though because of the sheer number of people looking to take money out of the club. For now though, their only real source of income is the support base - and credit where credit is due - they are doing that really well.
Most of the bluster is aimed at the financial backers - who genuinely believe in that tosh. |  |
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| The Fans Forum on 09:31 - Sep 6 with 3560 views | ITFC_RDM |
| The Fans Forum on 09:16 - Sep 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s franchise football- a pair of chancers have convinced some people to borrow some money to create and fund a gravy train in Suffolk that didn’t quite work in Bristol.
No different really to Evans sending an identical fax to six different clubs and seeing if anyone bites on his ‘vision’
All is well at the moment - and Town might even shortly beat Cambridge. I doubt it will end well though because of the sheer number of people looking to take money out of the club. For now though, their only real source of income is the support base - and credit where credit is due - they are doing that really well.
Most of the bluster is aimed at the financial backers - who genuinely believe in that tosh. |
Pessimistic or realistic... I guess time will tell.
There is certainly no denying, what is going on here and now, seems very impressive. | | | |
| The Fans Forum on 09:33 - Sep 6 with 3553 views | Funge |
| The Fans Forum on 09:16 - Sep 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s franchise football- a pair of chancers have convinced some people to borrow some money to create and fund a gravy train in Suffolk that didn’t quite work in Bristol.
No different really to Evans sending an identical fax to six different clubs and seeing if anyone bites on his ‘vision’
All is well at the moment - and Town might even shortly beat Cambridge. I doubt it will end well though because of the sheer number of people looking to take money out of the club. For now though, their only real source of income is the support base - and credit where credit is due - they are doing that really well.
Most of the bluster is aimed at the financial backers - who genuinely believe in that tosh. |
Is it franchise football, though?
I (and, I think, the owners) see it quite differently; we appear to finally be focussing upon the fact that we are a one-club county (honourable mentions, as always, go to the North Essex ITFC contingent), sponsored by one of the most prominent musical artists in the world, with access to an extremely large geographical area for our support - the nearest Prem club being West Ham.
The support for ITFC has always been there, it's just that we've been so sh1t, for so long, that it has diminished into the background. Now the ship is starting to turn, and not a moment too soon.
I don't see how the franchise tag applies, at all.
Anecdotally, for the first time in 20 years, there are more kids around towun wearing ITFC shirts, than the usual menagerie of Premiership guff.
Cut it however you want, but this is undeniably a Good Thing (which you agree with). [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 9:34]
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| The Fans Forum on 09:42 - Sep 6 with 3443 views | Churchman |
| The Fans Forum on 09:16 - Sep 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s franchise football- a pair of chancers have convinced some people to borrow some money to create and fund a gravy train in Suffolk that didn’t quite work in Bristol.
No different really to Evans sending an identical fax to six different clubs and seeing if anyone bites on his ‘vision’
All is well at the moment - and Town might even shortly beat Cambridge. I doubt it will end well though because of the sheer number of people looking to take money out of the club. For now though, their only real source of income is the support base - and credit where credit is due - they are doing that really well.
Most of the bluster is aimed at the financial backers - who genuinely believe in that tosh. |
I don’t know where you sit in Carrow Road but I pity the poor s0ds that sit next to you.
I have to say you did well stealing Gibbs. Surely that must have put almost as big a smile on your face as burning a rotten wooden stand down for insurance. | | | |
| The Fans Forum on 09:42 - Sep 6 with 3449 views | Guthrum |
| The Fans Forum on 09:16 - Sep 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s franchise football- a pair of chancers have convinced some people to borrow some money to create and fund a gravy train in Suffolk that didn’t quite work in Bristol.
No different really to Evans sending an identical fax to six different clubs and seeing if anyone bites on his ‘vision’
All is well at the moment - and Town might even shortly beat Cambridge. I doubt it will end well though because of the sheer number of people looking to take money out of the club. For now though, their only real source of income is the support base - and credit where credit is due - they are doing that really well.
Most of the bluster is aimed at the financial backers - who genuinely believe in that tosh. |
What alternative model would you suggest for running the club?
A board of local worthies who then borrow from the bank didn't end well in the early 2000s. Mel Morris at Derby is a cautionary tale for the rich fan-owner.
Contrast with the highly targetted and focussed plan which took Swansea from the fourth tier to the first (and left them strong enough to still be in the Championship). [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 9:45]
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| The Fans Forum on 09:49 - Sep 6 with 3340 views | MattinLondon |
| The Fans Forum on 09:00 - Sep 6 by Guthrum |
A romantic ideal dating back to a former era of the sport, when the amusingly eccentric family owners of a regional brewery could achieve massive success with only witty comments, wine in the boardroom and little apparent structure. Whereas in reality, they hired a very organised and technically gifted manager - the equivalent in that time of our backroom structures now.
As we have found in the last decade or so, simply hiring a manager doesn't cut it any more. The levels of recruitment, analysis, physical and mental care are what's giving us the edge. The manager has to have that other workload taken off to do his own preparation. If we don't have the staff, it's done poorly or not at all.
Regarding the stuff at Portman Rd, if we want to be in the Prem, we need a ground to match. That can't all be done in the summer of promotion. Plus we need to get the fans in and motivated.
It is no longer possible to run a club like the Cobbolds in the 1970s. Not in the Championship and above, anyway. |
We were also one of the first clubs to have an indoor gym and I believe a swimming pool as well as a very good scouting system. Back then we seemed to be quite cutting edge. Now, we seem finally to be going back to that tradition of innovation.
Anyone who feels uncomfortable is basically embracing backward thinking. |  | | |
| [Redacted] on 09:52 - Sep 6 with 3328 views | victorywilhappen |
| The Fans Forum on 09:16 - Sep 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s franchise football- a pair of chancers have convinced some people to borrow some money to create and fund a gravy train in Suffolk that didn’t quite work in Bristol.
No different really to Evans sending an identical fax to six different clubs and seeing if anyone bites on his ‘vision’
All is well at the moment - and Town might even shortly beat Cambridge. I doubt it will end well though because of the sheer number of people looking to take money out of the club. For now though, their only real source of income is the support base - and credit where credit is due - they are doing that really well.
Most of the bluster is aimed at the financial backers - who genuinely believe in that tosh. |
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| The Fans Forum on 10:00 - Sep 6 with 3247 views | Kieran_Knows |
Yes, I'd rather much be run by ME where the office person had to run a stationary order by him before they could order it.
TWTD. |  |
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| The Fans Forum on 10:05 - Sep 6 with 3200 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
I don't mean to be rude, but why does it make you feel uneasy?
If this makes you feel uneasy, what on earth did you feel like during the Evans era? |  | | |
| The Fans Forum on 10:10 - Sep 6 with 3154 views | itfcjoe |
| The Fans Forum on 10:00 - Sep 6 by Kieran_Knows |
Yes, I'd rather much be run by ME where the office person had to run a stationary order by him before they could order it.
TWTD. |
And when there were more Marcus Evans Group staff than ITFC ones using the office space at Portman Road.... |  |
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| The Fans Forum on 10:14 - Sep 6 with 3117 views | bluefunk |
| The Fans Forum on 09:42 - Sep 6 by Guthrum |
What alternative model would you suggest for running the club?
A board of local worthies who then borrow from the bank didn't end well in the early 2000s. Mel Morris at Derby is a cautionary tale for the rich fan-owner.
Contrast with the highly targetted and focussed plan which took Swansea from the fourth tier to the first (and left them strong enough to still be in the Championship). [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 9:45]
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It’s just the usual contrary nonsense from EitR, he’s constantly been corrected about whether the money is borrowed (it isn’t) so he’s found another buzzphrase with which to troll TWTD.
Of course, he does have a point, there is a version of this story where we fail to progress as a club and then it would indeed fall apart. That the current trajectory of the club is relentlessly positive completely eludes him (and the OP?) as indeed have any positive signs since he was NerdyKnowAll or Voice of Reason - that’s just the ones I can immediately recall. |  | | |
| The Fans Forum on 10:16 - Sep 6 with 3080 views | Guthrum |
| The Fans Forum on 10:05 - Sep 6 by abracaDOBRA_ |
I don't mean to be rude, but why does it make you feel uneasy?
If this makes you feel uneasy, what on earth did you feel like during the Evans era? |
To be fair to Chico, given the "banter era" went on so long, there is always the niggling feeling there may be a sh1tshower hiding just over the horizon. | |
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| The Fans Forum on 10:17 - Sep 6 with 3063 views | clive_baker |
| The Fans Forum on 10:14 - Sep 6 by bluefunk |
It’s just the usual contrary nonsense from EitR, he’s constantly been corrected about whether the money is borrowed (it isn’t) so he’s found another buzzphrase with which to troll TWTD.
Of course, he does have a point, there is a version of this story where we fail to progress as a club and then it would indeed fall apart. That the current trajectory of the club is relentlessly positive completely eludes him (and the OP?) as indeed have any positive signs since he was NerdyKnowAll or Voice of Reason - that’s just the ones I can immediately recall. |
I hope he's a troll, because if he isn't he has to be one of the most clueless and ill-informed posters ever to frequent this site. |  |
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| The Fans Forum on 10:28 - Sep 6 with 2999 views | Funge |
Chickers is it not simply the possibility that the Banter Era might, finally, be ending?
It really doesn't seem that likely that we are going to drop £2m on the likes of Nsiala and Nolan again, nor let Bullard and Chopra miss training to go out in Newcastle casinos, nor let the joint MD of the company get drunk at a works bash and rinse his boss, allegedly. Plus maybe 400 other examples...
It's been a helluva ride, but, at last, might this most janky of eras be concluding? [Post edited 6 Sep 2022 10:29]
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| The Fans Forum on 10:31 - Sep 6 with 2961 views | BlueBadger |
| The Fans Forum on 10:17 - Sep 6 by clive_baker |
I hope he's a troll, because if he isn't he has to be one of the most clueless and ill-informed posters ever to frequent this site. |
I'm still not sure why he's been allowed to linger so long, given that one of his previous incarnations was banned for a joke about the passing of Dale Roberts. |  |
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| The Fans Forum on 10:36 - Sep 6 with 2921 views | bluefunk |
| The Fans Forum on 10:17 - Sep 6 by clive_baker |
I hope he's a troll, because if he isn't he has to be one of the most clueless and ill-informed posters ever to frequent this site. |
I’m favouring the latter, given the longevity | | | |
| The Fans Forum on 11:27 - Sep 6 with 2723 views | Illinoisblue |
| The Fans Forum on 10:31 - Sep 6 by BlueBadger |
I'm still not sure why he's been allowed to linger so long, given that one of his previous incarnations was banned for a joke about the passing of Dale Roberts. |
Said it before but I’m impressed by posters who can recall previous usernames and years-old spats and arguments. If a previous version of our desperate elephant did indeed joke about the passing of Dale Roberts that surely should be a lifetime ban. |  |
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| The Fans Forum on 11:37 - Sep 6 with 2669 views | BlueBadger |
| The Fans Forum on 11:27 - Sep 6 by Illinoisblue |
Said it before but I’m impressed by posters who can recall previous usernames and years-old spats and arguments. If a previous version of our desperate elephant did indeed joke about the passing of Dale Roberts that surely should be a lifetime ban. |
After a while, certain posting styles and tics are noticeable. | |
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| The Fans Forum on 11:43 - Sep 6 with 2619 views | Skip_Intro |
| The Fans Forum on 09:16 - Sep 6 by ElephantintheRoom |
It’s franchise football- a pair of chancers have convinced some people to borrow some money to create and fund a gravy train in Suffolk that didn’t quite work in Bristol.
No different really to Evans sending an identical fax to six different clubs and seeing if anyone bites on his ‘vision’
All is well at the moment - and Town might even shortly beat Cambridge. I doubt it will end well though because of the sheer number of people looking to take money out of the club. For now though, their only real source of income is the support base - and credit where credit is due - they are doing that really well.
Most of the bluster is aimed at the financial backers - who genuinely believe in that tosh. |
Here you are again spouting your usual negative rubbish.
How can it be 'franchise football' given the massive increase in engagement with the community - something which had been lacking for years.
The club are investing more into community projects that we have ever seen before. Hardly the actions of a 'franchise' purely diven by money...
I really don't understand why you're here - why don't you go back to Carrot Road with the rest of your mates... |  | | |
| The Fans Forum on 11:43 - Sep 6 with 2619 views | clive_baker |
| The Fans Forum on 11:27 - Sep 6 by Illinoisblue |
Said it before but I’m impressed by posters who can recall previous usernames and years-old spats and arguments. If a previous version of our desperate elephant did indeed joke about the passing of Dale Roberts that surely should be a lifetime ban. |
Always amazes me that, I wonder if anyone keeps a spreadsheet.
Either way this Elephant one needs a ban. | |
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