| Poor Charles 10:38 - Sep 10 with 3003 views | FrimleyBlue |
He looks utterly broken, I know things have to be done, but why so soon, im guessing they'd have had to rehearse all this yesturday aswell as everything else he's had to do? |  |
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| Poor Charles on 10:39 - Sep 10 with 2474 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
He looks quite well to me. Looks like he's been on holiday. |  |
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| Poor Charles on 10:51 - Sep 10 with 2399 views | J2BLUE |
Because we're a strange little country who obsess over pompous things like this.
He became king instantly. We could have given him a couple of weeks to grieve. I know people will reply about duty but that's just stupid really. The nation would have coped with not hearing from him for a couple of weeks. |  |
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| Poor Charles on 10:53 - Sep 10 with 2377 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Poor Charles on 10:51 - Sep 10 by J2BLUE |
Because we're a strange little country who obsess over pompous things like this.
He became king instantly. We could have given him a couple of weeks to grieve. I know people will reply about duty but that's just stupid really. The nation would have coped with not hearing from him for a couple of weeks. |
completely agree, there are times, I feel he almost breaksdown but forcefully composes himself to carry on, it shouldn't be like that. All the talk about mourning... let the guy mourn ffs. | |
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| Poor Charles on 10:53 - Sep 10 with 2375 views | Keno |
| Poor Charles on 10:51 - Sep 10 by J2BLUE |
Because we're a strange little country who obsess over pompous things like this.
He became king instantly. We could have given him a couple of weeks to grieve. I know people will reply about duty but that's just stupid really. The nation would have coped with not hearing from him for a couple of weeks. |
There is a tradition/principle of "The Queen in dead, long live the King"
many people will have been fearful of a void on the the Queens passing which this process is aimed at allaying [Post edited 10 Sep 2022 11:34]
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| Poor Charles on 11:07 - Sep 10 with 2299 views | Churchman |
| Poor Charles on 10:51 - Sep 10 by J2BLUE |
Because we're a strange little country who obsess over pompous things like this.
He became king instantly. We could have given him a couple of weeks to grieve. I know people will reply about duty but that's just stupid really. The nation would have coped with not hearing from him for a couple of weeks. |
I don’t think this mornings stuff works like that. This stuff has has to be done immediately as without it theoretically government cannot function - according to Harriet Harman in some article or other I read this morning. Continuity.
As for Charles’ address I think it was important he gave it and he did it well in my opinion. |  | | |
| Poor Charles on 11:16 - Sep 10 with 2255 views | MattinLondon |
| Poor Charles on 10:53 - Sep 10 by Keno |
There is a tradition/principle of "The Queen in dead, long live the King"
many people will have been fearful of a void on the the Queens passing which this process is aimed at allaying [Post edited 10 Sep 2022 11:34]
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But surly that tradition stems from a time when continuation was an absolute due to the then nature of European politics. Hesitation or inaction could well mean invasion or other countries turning their eyes on lands in some far off corner of empire.
I hope that the next time this happens, this country will learn to let the new monarch grieve in private before ‘letting the public in’.
I thought that this would have been learnt after Diana’s death but instead it’s the same invasive society that demands that the monarch is seen (preferably with a mobile in their face) so that some random can say how sorry they are. [Post edited 10 Sep 2022 11:17]
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| Poor Charles on 11:16 - Sep 10 with 2254 views | ZXBlue |
| Poor Charles on 10:51 - Sep 10 by J2BLUE |
Because we're a strange little country who obsess over pompous things like this.
He became king instantly. We could have given him a couple of weeks to grieve. I know people will reply about duty but that's just stupid really. The nation would have coped with not hearing from him for a couple of weeks. |
I imagine that if he had chosen otherwise, it would have happened otherwise. I am quite sure his mindset is steadfastly behind those ideas of duty and doing things properly and that he would have insisted upon it. |  | | |
| Poor Charles on 11:17 - Sep 10 with 2241 views | XYZ |
| Poor Charles on 10:53 - Sep 10 by Keno |
There is a tradition/principle of "The Queen in dead, long live the King"
many people will have been fearful of a void on the the Queens passing which this process is aimed at allaying [Post edited 10 Sep 2022 11:34]
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| Poor Charles on 11:19 - Sep 10 with 2212 views | Keno |
| Poor Charles on 11:17 - Sep 10 by XYZ |
I thought you were Irish? |
I am. but that doesnt stop me being interested in all this | |
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| Poor Charles on 11:23 - Sep 10 with 2172 views | XYZ |
| Poor Charles on 11:19 - Sep 10 by Keno |
I am. but that doesnt stop me being interested in all this |
It was the "we" that prompted the question; maybe it's a typo. | | | |
| Poor Charles on 11:26 - Sep 10 with 2140 views | Garv |
He hasn't looked broken at all. I thought his address was quite impressive. |  |
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| Poor Charles on 11:32 - Sep 10 with 2117 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Poor Charles on 11:26 - Sep 10 by Garv |
He hasn't looked broken at all. I thought his address was quite impressive. |
It was very impressive, i'm not saying otherwise. But there were times you sensed he was close to breaking, which is entirely understanable and why I feel this is far to soon. But as others say, it's required to follow due process. | |
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| Poor Charles on 11:34 - Sep 10 with 2099 views | Keno |
| Poor Charles on 11:23 - Sep 10 by XYZ |
It was the "we" that prompted the question; maybe it's a typo. |
No worries, I’ve edited now | |
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| Poor Charles on 11:50 - Sep 10 with 2029 views | Ryorry |
| Poor Charles on 11:16 - Sep 10 by ZXBlue |
I imagine that if he had chosen otherwise, it would have happened otherwise. I am quite sure his mindset is steadfastly behind those ideas of duty and doing things properly and that he would have insisted upon it. |
One of the few benefits of a hereditary monarchy (I know many people will disagree, saying there are no benefits at all) is that those taking over will have have been trained from childhood to deal with it all - not that that means personal & private emotions won't still be a massive thing for each individual to cope with of course. |  |
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| Poor Charles on 11:58 - Sep 10 with 1994 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Poor Charles on 10:51 - Sep 10 by J2BLUE |
Because we're a strange little country who obsess over pompous things like this.
He became king instantly. We could have given him a couple of weeks to grieve. I know people will reply about duty but that's just stupid really. The nation would have coped with not hearing from him for a couple of weeks. |
It also nips in the bud any debate about the future of the monarchy. |  |
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| Poor Charles on 12:07 - Sep 10 with 1933 views | Ryorry |
| Poor Charles on 11:19 - Sep 10 by Keno |
I am. but that doesnt stop me being interested in all this |
There's a "watching history being made" element to the live proceedings for me & I imagine many others, as well as a fascination with all the protocol being rolled out for the first time in 70 years. | |
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| Poor Charles on 12:10 - Sep 10 with 1910 views | Zx1988 |
| Poor Charles on 11:58 - Sep 10 by GlasgowBlue |
It also nips in the bud any debate about the future of the monarchy. |
I agree entirely.
I was saying to a friend earlier that, no doubt, those in the Monarchy and the Establishment have probably been rather nervous to see the mood of the nation, and whether a new monarch was going to be the same formality that it has always been.
Given the current circumstances in society as a whole, I can imagine that there would have been those fearing that an extreme focus on a family of immense wealth and privilege could have triggered a lot of anti-Monarchy sentiment, and a real concerted push for change. | |
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| Poor Charles on 12:35 - Sep 10 with 1830 views | Churchman |
| Poor Charles on 11:16 - Sep 10 by MattinLondon |
But surly that tradition stems from a time when continuation was an absolute due to the then nature of European politics. Hesitation or inaction could well mean invasion or other countries turning their eyes on lands in some far off corner of empire.
I hope that the next time this happens, this country will learn to let the new monarch grieve in private before ‘letting the public in’.
I thought that this would have been learnt after Diana’s death but instead it’s the same invasive society that demands that the monarch is seen (preferably with a mobile in their face) so that some random can say how sorry they are. [Post edited 10 Sep 2022 11:17]
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It is and it isn’t. In the case of Harold it triggered an invasion due to opportunism and what William claimed was a broken promise. Henry 7th had less claim than Richard 3rd who had less than Edward 4ths sons. Henry won at Bosworth and any objections were crushed brutally. Alfred pinched the throne of his nephew Athelwold.
Basically most of these bunfights were internal ‘politics’ with a big sword with a dollop of external threat on top. Money and power. John needed the Barons so signed Magna Carta. He broke it, but he still had signed it because it was that or a bad end. He died a year or so later anyway.
Many of the structures of England dates back to the Anglo Saxon invasion (5th/6th centuries) and even the subsequent Viking and Norman invasions couldn’t change it. The why of a lot of this stuff can be traced all the way back.
The history of these Islands is long and fascinating, mixed, changing, dark, archaic and in some respects comforting. Should it be updated, particularly the language? Yes, because everything changes. The opportunity will come in the next couple of years when the U.K. inevitably breaks apart.
In the meantime, I’m finding watching the history and tradition fascinating. [Post edited 10 Sep 2022 12:38]
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| Poor Charles on 19:08 - Sep 10 with 1527 views | stonojnr |
It's just how we deal with death, I can assure you the speed its done is no different whether you are the King or a commoner, so much needs to happen and does happen when a close family member dies and you are then in the maelstrom of arranging everything. All you can do is go with the flow and look for some peace and time for reflection afterwards. | | | |
| Poor Charles on 19:13 - Sep 10 with 1509 views | NthQldITFC |
| Poor Charles on 12:35 - Sep 10 by Churchman |
It is and it isn’t. In the case of Harold it triggered an invasion due to opportunism and what William claimed was a broken promise. Henry 7th had less claim than Richard 3rd who had less than Edward 4ths sons. Henry won at Bosworth and any objections were crushed brutally. Alfred pinched the throne of his nephew Athelwold.
Basically most of these bunfights were internal ‘politics’ with a big sword with a dollop of external threat on top. Money and power. John needed the Barons so signed Magna Carta. He broke it, but he still had signed it because it was that or a bad end. He died a year or so later anyway.
Many of the structures of England dates back to the Anglo Saxon invasion (5th/6th centuries) and even the subsequent Viking and Norman invasions couldn’t change it. The why of a lot of this stuff can be traced all the way back.
The history of these Islands is long and fascinating, mixed, changing, dark, archaic and in some respects comforting. Should it be updated, particularly the language? Yes, because everything changes. The opportunity will come in the next couple of years when the U.K. inevitably breaks apart.
In the meantime, I’m finding watching the history and tradition fascinating. [Post edited 10 Sep 2022 12:38]
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You're not Dr Suzannah Lipscomb by any chance are you? If so, could I show you something I found in a field? |  |
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| Poor Charles on 19:22 - Sep 10 with 1488 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Poor Charles on 19:13 - Sep 10 by NthQldITFC |
You're not Dr Suzannah Lipscomb by any chance are you? If so, could I show you something I found in a field? |
Gotta love a clever woman.....or two.
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| Poor Charles on 19:23 - Sep 10 with 1478 views | Churchman |
| Poor Charles on 19:13 - Sep 10 by NthQldITFC |
You're not Dr Suzannah Lipscomb by any chance are you? If so, could I show you something I found in a field? |
Not when I last looked in the mirror! Aside from gender, myself being plug ugly, brains, age, achievements, I suppose we could be twins! (A nod to Arnie and Danny DeVito there).
I dread to think what you found in a field! 😃 | | | |
| Poor Charles on 19:38 - Sep 10 with 1422 views | NthQldITFC |
| Poor Charles on 19:23 - Sep 10 by Churchman |
Not when I last looked in the mirror! Aside from gender, myself being plug ugly, brains, age, achievements, I suppose we could be twins! (A nod to Arnie and Danny DeVito there).
I dread to think what you found in a field! 😃 |
I didn't find it in a field, I was proposing to show it to you in a field, except if you're not Dr Lipscombe perhaps I won't bother. | |
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| Poor Charles on 19:44 - Sep 10 with 1410 views | Cotty |
| Poor Charles on 10:53 - Sep 10 by FrimleyBlue |
completely agree, there are times, I feel he almost breaksdown but forcefully composes himself to carry on, it shouldn't be like that. All the talk about mourning... let the guy mourn ffs. |
I’m pretty sure he was just looking down at his notes as there was clearly no autocue. He will have had a speech ready for some years. |  | | |
| Poor Charles on 19:55 - Sep 10 with 1382 views | Churchman |
| Poor Charles on 19:38 - Sep 10 by NthQldITFC |
I didn't find it in a field, I was proposing to show it to you in a field, except if you're not Dr Lipscombe perhaps I won't bother. |
Nah, I wouldn’t bother if I were you. | | | |
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