| Farage releases a statement 08:43 - Aug 5 with 9680 views | Mullet |
Blaming the BLM stuff and harking back to it is very interesting, especially as he was one of the main voices shouting “two tier policing”
I wonder why he’s not been firing off tweets rampantly this time? Or giving interviews? Sounds like the shoe is finally about to drop on him hopefully. [Post edited 5 Aug 2024 10:31]
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| Farage releases a statement on 09:00 - Aug 5 with 6371 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
Stochastic incitement.
How appropriate that his initials are NF. |  |
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| Farage releases a statement on 09:06 - Aug 5 with 6315 views | Zx1988 |
"Parliament must be recalled so that I can continue to spew my bile under parliamentary privilege." |  |
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| Farage releases a statement on 09:07 - Aug 5 with 6273 views | WD19 |
| Farage releases a statement on 09:00 - Aug 5 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Stochastic incitement.
How appropriate that his initials are NF. |
“Please recall parliament so I can use parliamentary privilege to incite some more.”
And if you don’t it’s anti-democratic or sumfink. |  | | |
| Farage releases a statement on 09:14 - Aug 5 with 6162 views | MattinLondon |
| Farage releases a statement on 09:06 - Aug 5 by Zx1988 |
"Parliament must be recalled so that I can continue to spew my bile under parliamentary privilege." |
The children that were murdered in Southport were under 7yo. Children that young do not have a racist bone in their bodies. If an adult were to say to someone of that age that they shouldn’t be nice to another kid because of their religion or skin colour or country of origin they would simply say ‘why’ and look puzzled at that person.
Hate preachers like Farage and Tommy Two-Names have polluted those murdered children memories in order to further their love of hatred. Shame on them.
All those people who have used those girls as an excuse to riot, attack and loot. Shame on them as well. Also shame on those who shouted vile abuse and tried to intimidate. [Post edited 5 Aug 2024 9:28]
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| Farage releases a statement on 09:29 - Aug 5 with 6000 views | Guthrum |
Let's analyse that statement a bit.
Paragraph one: Wash my hands of any association with the violence. Not asking questions now. Veer to the most oppressive option possible before I get too tarnished by association.
Paragraph two: Standing up the idea of a deeper-lying problem.
Paragraph three: Blame it on the other side.
Paragraph four: Pretending a majority for his constructed position. Magnifying a single issue into an all-encompassing cause for the current problems. Wildly exaggerating this issue using hyperbolic language. Claiming to have been right all along and personally central to dealing with the issue.
Paragraph five: Wanting a (protected) platform for pushing his position.
Summarised as: Nothing to do with me, they made us do it, look at this straw man, listen to me!
Straight out of Populist Demagoguery For Dummies. |  |
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| Farage releases a statement on 09:33 - Aug 5 with 5922 views | Mookamoo |
They're going to get a nasty shock if they do want equality of justice. I know is not quite the same, but Anjem Choudary just got life. Wouldn't be surprised to hear that Counter Terrorism resources will be used following the COBRA meeting |  | | |
| Farage releases a statement on 09:55 - Aug 5 with 5750 views | Texaco73 |
Yaxley has served his purpose.
Farage and co. will sacrifice him, but use the collateral from these riots to insideously continue to fan the fascist rhetoric.
Much like the soviet/Putin/nazi/any authoritarian regime, uses up people and disposes of them when their usefulness has been achieved. |  | | |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:02 - Aug 5 with 5636 views | davblue |
| Farage releases a statement on 09:29 - Aug 5 by Guthrum |
Let's analyse that statement a bit.
Paragraph one: Wash my hands of any association with the violence. Not asking questions now. Veer to the most oppressive option possible before I get too tarnished by association.
Paragraph two: Standing up the idea of a deeper-lying problem.
Paragraph three: Blame it on the other side.
Paragraph four: Pretending a majority for his constructed position. Magnifying a single issue into an all-encompassing cause for the current problems. Wildly exaggerating this issue using hyperbolic language. Claiming to have been right all along and personally central to dealing with the issue.
Paragraph five: Wanting a (protected) platform for pushing his position.
Summarised as: Nothing to do with me, they made us do it, look at this straw man, listen to me!
Straight out of Populist Demagoguery For Dummies. |
It's pretty vile, fanned the flames at the end of the week, then silent over the weekend when he could have said something to calm it down.
I suspect he was down the pub having a pint, smoking and smiling to himself over the weekend.
I saw a mother who had taken her children to were 4 and about 2 to a riot, who does that? [Post edited 5 Aug 2024 10:07]
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| Farage releases a statement on 10:05 - Aug 5 with 5575 views | iamatractorboy |
He really is an absolute country isn't he. | | | |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:05 - Aug 5 with 5576 views | MattinLondon |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:02 - Aug 5 by davblue |
It's pretty vile, fanned the flames at the end of the week, then silent over the weekend when he could have said something to calm it down.
I suspect he was down the pub having a pint, smoking and smiling to himself over the weekend.
I saw a mother who had taken her children to were 4 and about 2 to a riot, who does that? [Post edited 5 Aug 2024 10:07]
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I saw a mother who had taken here children to were 4 and about 2 to a riot, who does that?
Someone who couldn’t get a responsible babysitter as they were all too busy looting. | | | |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:07 - Aug 5 with 5535 views | davblue |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:05 - Aug 5 by MattinLondon |
I saw a mother who had taken here children to were 4 and about 2 to a riot, who does that?
Someone who couldn’t get a responsible babysitter as they were all too busy looting. |
Fair point. | | | |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:31 - Aug 5 with 5352 views | Guthrum |
The two-tier policing argument demolished by former Conservative home Secretary Priti Patel (as quoted from an interview on Times Radio): 'There is a clear difference between effectively blocking streets or roads being closed, to burning down libraries, hotels, food banks and attacking places of worship. What we have seen is thuggery, violence, racism.' She added: 'Those kinds of comments are simply not relevant right now. That is not correct, it is not correct.' | |
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| Farage releases a statement on 10:34 - Aug 5 with 5298 views | Europablue |
| Farage releases a statement on 09:06 - Aug 5 by Zx1988 |
"Parliament must be recalled so that I can continue to spew my bile under parliamentary privilege." |
If this is a national emergency, surely we need to recall parliament. | | | |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:38 - Aug 5 with 5270 views | eireblue |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:31 - Aug 5 by Guthrum |
The two-tier policing argument demolished by former Conservative home Secretary Priti Patel (as quoted from an interview on Times Radio): 'There is a clear difference between effectively blocking streets or roads being closed, to burning down libraries, hotels, food banks and attacking places of worship. What we have seen is thuggery, violence, racism.' She added: 'Those kinds of comments are simply not relevant right now. That is not correct, it is not correct.' |
There was also a parliamentary committee thing that did an investigation and report into this.
As we have seen, and will see, police sometimes make arrests immediately, or take their time. It is an operational decision they make.
No evidence was found of two tier policing. |  | | |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:38 - Aug 5 with 5261 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:34 - Aug 5 by Europablue |
If this is a national emergency, surely we need to recall parliament. |
The key word being 'if'. If a national emergency is declared, then it would be appropriate to recall. I hope they don't do so just to placate Farage though. He only wants it to further inflame racial tensions.
It's an interesting test for the new government. Cool heads needed. |  |
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| Farage releases a statement on 10:47 - Aug 5 with 5185 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:38 - Aug 5 by eireblue |
There was also a parliamentary committee thing that did an investigation and report into this.
As we have seen, and will see, police sometimes make arrests immediately, or take their time. It is an operational decision they make.
No evidence was found of two tier policing. |
And there are plenty of examples of them going in heavy on genuinely peaceful protestors and even journalists over the last few years. This two-tier policing is a very lazy argument, but one that people seem to believe, as we've seen it repeated on here a few times recently. | |
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| Farage releases a statement on 10:51 - Aug 5 with 5135 views | Guthrum |
| Farage releases a statement on 10:34 - Aug 5 by Europablue |
If this is a national emergency, surely we need to recall parliament. |
What actually is there for Parliament to debate?
It's not like there is actually some justified basis for the riots which needs addressing (racism, islamophobia and thuggery are not that). Nor some gross incompetence or inadequacy in the police response. All the main political parties are in agreement.
It would just be forum where MPs line up to repeatedly condemn the rioters, except for Farage who claims it's all the fault of immigrants. Which they can all do in the media and on eX-Twitter anyway. | |
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| Farage releases a statement on 11:07 - Aug 5 with 4965 views | Europablue |
| Farage releases a statement on 09:29 - Aug 5 by Guthrum |
Let's analyse that statement a bit.
Paragraph one: Wash my hands of any association with the violence. Not asking questions now. Veer to the most oppressive option possible before I get too tarnished by association.
Paragraph two: Standing up the idea of a deeper-lying problem.
Paragraph three: Blame it on the other side.
Paragraph four: Pretending a majority for his constructed position. Magnifying a single issue into an all-encompassing cause for the current problems. Wildly exaggerating this issue using hyperbolic language. Claiming to have been right all along and personally central to dealing with the issue.
Paragraph five: Wanting a (protected) platform for pushing his position.
Summarised as: Nothing to do with me, they made us do it, look at this straw man, listen to me!
Straight out of Populist Demagoguery For Dummies. |
Whether you like Farage or not, don't you think that we should actually address the underlying social, economic, and cultural issues?
It's very frustrating how partisan the country is and it feels like a lot of people are as bad as the politicians in that it's more about scoring points and winning the argument than actually finding solutions.
We like to think that we are highly evolved, but we haven't changed much in hundreds of years. You can look back on history so see how things will play out in future.
Only cracking down on violence doesn't address the underlying problem.
On the macro level, we have a social contract in that we do not resort to violence because our representatives are supposed to listen to our concerns and at least address them. Neither side of that social contract has been upheld.
There is no choice but to punish the people who have physically attacked people.
At the same time we can't just be content that we can lock up the working class people and demonize them in order to sweep the underlying issue under the carpet. The violent people and peaceful protesters are just the tip of the iceberg. Successive governments have been running up the national debt and sowing the seeds for long term problems for short term gain. Even peaceful protesters and politicians who are listening to the grievances are painted as hate preachers and racists bigots.
Starmer was right to hear the concerns of the BLM protesters even though there were riots and looting. There will always be opportunist criminals.
The ideal response from a politician would be something along the lines of "This violence and intimidation is entirely unacceptable and will be punished to the full extent of the law. In our system we use peaceful protest as a means to let our voices be heard. We will listen to your grievances when they are presented in an appropriate manner". | | | |
| Farage releases a statement on 11:10 - Aug 5 with 4936 views | NthQldITFC |
| Farage releases a statement on 09:33 - Aug 5 by Mookamoo |
They're going to get a nasty shock if they do want equality of justice. I know is not quite the same, but Anjem Choudary just got life. Wouldn't be surprised to hear that Counter Terrorism resources will be used following the COBRA meeting |
As they should be, because that's what these a-holes are doing, terrorism. The low IQ followers might just be in it for the kicks or all the free Greggs and fly swats, but the organisers, the whippers-in and the figureheads are using terror against people who are bottled up in hotels. |  |
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| Farage releases a statement on 11:13 - Aug 5 with 4872 views | Whos_blue |
Grifting c unit just wants a bigger (and more legitimate) platform to spout his bile.
If parliament isn't recalled and I'm not sure it should, his next move will be to continue his attack on Starmer and also bleat on in faux exasperation that he is being denied his right to free speech. The bloke is just a sh1tstain.
Talking of sh1tstains, Cleverly has weighed in on Starmer today spouting some gibberish about Starmer's holiday. Desperate stuff and a shameful deflection from any responsibility of the last 14 years of tory (mis) rule. |  |
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| Farage releases a statement on 11:19 - Aug 5 with 4815 views | Meadowlark |
The fact that the BBC support him is bad enough, but I didn't expect to see his racist right wing views advertised on here! |  | | |
| Farage releases a statement on 11:22 - Aug 5 with 4776 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Farage releases a statement on 11:07 - Aug 5 by Europablue |
Whether you like Farage or not, don't you think that we should actually address the underlying social, economic, and cultural issues?
It's very frustrating how partisan the country is and it feels like a lot of people are as bad as the politicians in that it's more about scoring points and winning the argument than actually finding solutions.
We like to think that we are highly evolved, but we haven't changed much in hundreds of years. You can look back on history so see how things will play out in future.
Only cracking down on violence doesn't address the underlying problem.
On the macro level, we have a social contract in that we do not resort to violence because our representatives are supposed to listen to our concerns and at least address them. Neither side of that social contract has been upheld.
There is no choice but to punish the people who have physically attacked people.
At the same time we can't just be content that we can lock up the working class people and demonize them in order to sweep the underlying issue under the carpet. The violent people and peaceful protesters are just the tip of the iceberg. Successive governments have been running up the national debt and sowing the seeds for long term problems for short term gain. Even peaceful protesters and politicians who are listening to the grievances are painted as hate preachers and racists bigots.
Starmer was right to hear the concerns of the BLM protesters even though there were riots and looting. There will always be opportunist criminals.
The ideal response from a politician would be something along the lines of "This violence and intimidation is entirely unacceptable and will be punished to the full extent of the law. In our system we use peaceful protest as a means to let our voices be heard. We will listen to your grievances when they are presented in an appropriate manner". |
It's a bit of a leap to suggest that this is a response to growing national debt. These are events that are being stirred up by organised racists and white supremacists. Those have always existed unfortunately, irrespective of the socio-economic issues. I wouldn't give any legitimacy to farage's claim that 'uncontrolled mass migration' is the cause of everyone's problems. There has been plenty of evidence to show this isn't the case.
Not that we shouldn't be striving for a more equal society with opportunities for all, but when people do that they get labelled as 'woke'. | |
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| Farage releases a statement on 11:25 - Aug 5 with 4753 views | mutters |
The guy is a bellend. Even if his points had some merit there is no way he would have a grown-up conversation about it. He want to stir it up as it leads to his popular movement gaining more traction/newspaper inches (or whatever the equivalent is these days) |  |
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| Farage releases a statement on 11:30 - Aug 5 with 4696 views | baxterbasics |
Disagree with the calls (from various sides) to recall parliament.
Government and the police already have the powers they need to deal with this properly.
They don't need to ask parliament permission for anything more, or to pass emergency legislation.
All it would do is give the busy-bodies a chance to make a hand-wringing naval-gazing speech. |  |
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| Farage releases a statement on 11:30 - Aug 5 with 4691 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Farage releases a statement on 11:07 - Aug 5 by Europablue |
Whether you like Farage or not, don't you think that we should actually address the underlying social, economic, and cultural issues?
It's very frustrating how partisan the country is and it feels like a lot of people are as bad as the politicians in that it's more about scoring points and winning the argument than actually finding solutions.
We like to think that we are highly evolved, but we haven't changed much in hundreds of years. You can look back on history so see how things will play out in future.
Only cracking down on violence doesn't address the underlying problem.
On the macro level, we have a social contract in that we do not resort to violence because our representatives are supposed to listen to our concerns and at least address them. Neither side of that social contract has been upheld.
There is no choice but to punish the people who have physically attacked people.
At the same time we can't just be content that we can lock up the working class people and demonize them in order to sweep the underlying issue under the carpet. The violent people and peaceful protesters are just the tip of the iceberg. Successive governments have been running up the national debt and sowing the seeds for long term problems for short term gain. Even peaceful protesters and politicians who are listening to the grievances are painted as hate preachers and racists bigots.
Starmer was right to hear the concerns of the BLM protesters even though there were riots and looting. There will always be opportunist criminals.
The ideal response from a politician would be something along the lines of "This violence and intimidation is entirely unacceptable and will be punished to the full extent of the law. In our system we use peaceful protest as a means to let our voices be heard. We will listen to your grievances when they are presented in an appropriate manner". |
What do you think are the underlying social, economic, and cultural issues and why do you think it is reasonable to have expected the new government to have solved them in a few weeks? How does recalling parliament help the government to solve them?
And why do you think these are what people are rioting about rather than in response to racist fanatics inflaming a response to a tragic incident perpetrated by a very disturbed individual for unknown reason? Or do you know something that isn't in the public domain? |  |
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