| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. 11:00 - Oct 18 with 3112 views | homer_123 |
Rightly so, IMHO.
Nothing against him but as I posted the other day - he's not a winner. He's the Tottenham of football managers - his teams do play good football but he has won nothing of note. |  |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:07 - Oct 18 with 2686 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Where exactly did you expect him to win?
Howe is a top coach, and would've absolutely been my first choice for England manager. |  |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:10 - Oct 18 with 2668 views | smithy69 |
Ferguson was the last British-born manager to win the title in 2012/13
Harry Rednapp was the last English FA Cup winner in 2008
Steve McClaren the most recent to win the League Cup in 2004
Pretty hard to win anything as an English manager with the grip the Top 4 have on British football where they don’t employ English managers |  | | |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:13 - Oct 18 with 2645 views | homer_123 |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:10 - Oct 18 by smithy69 |
Ferguson was the last British-born manager to win the title in 2012/13
Harry Rednapp was the last English FA Cup winner in 2008
Steve McClaren the most recent to win the League Cup in 2004
Pretty hard to win anything as an English manager with the grip the Top 4 have on British football where they don’t employ English managers |
So you can see why the FA have done what they have done. | |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:17 - Oct 18 with 2632 views | homer_123 |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:07 - Oct 18 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Where exactly did you expect him to win?
Howe is a top coach, and would've absolutely been my first choice for England manager. |
The point is simple really. Yes, not denying Howe is a decent coach but there are way better ones around.
If you want to 'win' things, who do you choose?
The manager/ coach who has won nothing or the one that has won the Champions League, French and German league titles, Club Cup etc.
Putting aside nationality, what do we want for England, to win, right? Under Southgate, we should have won one if not two titles, we didn't - we fell short.
For me Tuchel is a logical and sensible appointment if the FA are moving away from the pathway approach. [Post edited 18 Oct 2024 11:17]
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:18 - Oct 18 with 2611 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe he would be a winner if he had the pick of English talent at his disposal. |  |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:19 - Oct 18 with 2614 views | smithy69 |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:13 - Oct 18 by homer_123 |
So you can see why the FA have done what they have done. |
I personally don’t think he’s good enough for England - but I also think there isnt a single English manager that’s suitable right now
Our country attracts the best the world has to offer - which is to the detriment of English managers being successful [Post edited 18 Oct 2024 11:20]
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:20 - Oct 18 with 2598 views | homer_123 |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:18 - Oct 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe he would be a winner if he had the pick of English talent at his disposal. |
Here's the thing. Tuchel has proved he can deliver with quality at his disposal.
Howe might, that's a fair call.
But, in terms of risk, which is less risky? Which is more likely to deliver? | |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:34 - Oct 18 with 2520 views | smithy69 |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:23 - Oct 18 by homer_123 |
Not so sure, I think it's a good appointment to be fair. He's no 'Yes' man, he knows and loves the English game - he's been successful here (and elsewhere) and he knows what we are about.
Hard to argue that Pep or Klopp (if the FA were going the non-pathway route) would be the ideal candidates but neither available (or too expensive?).
I agree though, it's a concern that there is a dearth of high quality English managers at the moment (with the exception of one!  ). |
I would love McKenna down the line - it from what I can gather as a proud Irishmen - it wouldn’t be a job he would take | | | |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:35 - Oct 18 with 2505 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:17 - Oct 18 by homer_123 |
The point is simple really. Yes, not denying Howe is a decent coach but there are way better ones around.
If you want to 'win' things, who do you choose?
The manager/ coach who has won nothing or the one that has won the Champions League, French and German league titles, Club Cup etc.
Putting aside nationality, what do we want for England, to win, right? Under Southgate, we should have won one if not two titles, we didn't - we fell short.
For me Tuchel is a logical and sensible appointment if the FA are moving away from the pathway approach. [Post edited 18 Oct 2024 11:17]
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Well that wasn't the post you made really.
Tuchel seems a good appointment but to say Howe wouldn't have been a good one because he hasn't won anything is a bad argument.
Argentina manager who won the World Cup- was the U20s coach with no club background.
Spain manager who won the euros- Won some tournaments as a youth manager but nothing at club level.
Germany appointed Hansi Flick who won the quintuple and then they got dumped out in the group stage.
Spain appointed Luis Enrique and he did nothing of note either.
I dont think having won trophies at club level is that relevant to international football personally. [Post edited 18 Oct 2024 11:37]
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:43 - Oct 18 with 2457 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:13 - Oct 18 by homer_123 |
So you can see why the FA have done what they have done. |
Yeah, but he’s German. And even worse, he’s a Bavarian. He’ll have us playing in lederhosen next season and the players will be on beer steins at half time, def info.
(Agreed. It’s a logical appointment. Let’s hope he’s left to get on with the job without people hounding him every 5 minutes). |  |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:44 - Oct 18 with 2461 views | blueasfook |
I was skeptical when they gave him the Newcastle job, but he's doing well there. Finished 4th last season, currently 7th this season. I'd certainly put him in the frame for the England job. |  |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 12:00 - Oct 18 with 2360 views | Ryorry |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:20 - Oct 18 by homer_123 |
Here's the thing. Tuchel has proved he can deliver with quality at his disposal.
Howe might, that's a fair call.
But, in terms of risk, which is less risky? Which is more likely to deliver? |
England, ie the FA making the appointment, should for once have shown enough guts and forward thinking to have ‘done an Ipswich’. [Post edited 18 Oct 2024 12:05]
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 12:16 - Oct 18 with 2297 views | NedPlimpton |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:44 - Oct 18 by blueasfook |
I was skeptical when they gave him the Newcastle job, but he's doing well there. Finished 4th last season, currently 7th this season. I'd certainly put him in the frame for the England job. |
You've skipped a year
They finished 4th two seasons ago and 7th last year
Howe has done a great job at Newcastle. Finishing top 4 with a squad that has nowhere near the quality of City, Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal etc was a great achievement. He'll never get a chance at a higher level in England because Premier League sides want tried and tested foreign coaches. Arteta being the exception but he had history with Arsenal. So instead Howe will most likely struggle to get Newcastle any higher than he already has and eventually get sacked and end up at a mid level prem side then get slated for being useless and having never won anything
Until more EPL sides are prepared to gamble on unproven managers, like our European counterparts occasionally do, we won't have an English manager winning things in England |  | | |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 12:55 - Oct 18 with 2151 views | Illinoisblue |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:44 - Oct 18 by blueasfook |
I was skeptical when they gave him the Newcastle job, but he's doing well there. Finished 4th last season, currently 7th this season. I'd certainly put him in the frame for the England job. |
I don’t like his eyes. Always looks like he’s squinting. |  |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 13:01 - Oct 18 with 2122 views | Keno |
Can I just say I dont care who the England is as long as it wasnt McKenna |  |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 13:11 - Oct 18 with 2060 views | homer_123 |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 13:01 - Oct 18 by Keno |
Can I just say I dont care who the England is as long as it wasnt McKenna |
I can get on board that sentiment Keno! | |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 13:27 - Oct 18 with 1976 views | Kropotkin123 |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:20 - Oct 18 by homer_123 |
Here's the thing. Tuchel has proved he can deliver with quality at his disposal.
Howe might, that's a fair call.
But, in terms of risk, which is less risky? Which is more likely to deliver? |
Tuchel has arguably the worst Bayern Munich record since Klinsmann, so worst in around 20 years. I think he is a big risk.
Howe has secured 3 promotions, including winning the Championship with Bournemouth. He has also reached a League Cup final with Newcastle. |  |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 13:31 - Oct 18 with 1934 views | redrickstuhaart |
Spent most of his career at bournemouth. Hardly a viable platform for titles.
Clearly the best Englush option. But not even spoken to... | | | |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 13:39 - Oct 18 with 1895 views | Vaughan8 |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:17 - Oct 18 by homer_123 |
The point is simple really. Yes, not denying Howe is a decent coach but there are way better ones around.
If you want to 'win' things, who do you choose?
The manager/ coach who has won nothing or the one that has won the Champions League, French and German league titles, Club Cup etc.
Putting aside nationality, what do we want for England, to win, right? Under Southgate, we should have won one if not two titles, we didn't - we fell short.
For me Tuchel is a logical and sensible appointment if the FA are moving away from the pathway approach. [Post edited 18 Oct 2024 11:17]
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Tuchel has won stuff, but lets look at it.
He won the champions league with Chelsea, when it wasn't really his side, he'd only took over a few month earlier. After that it all went a bit pear shaped.
He won the league with Bayern and PSG - hardly difficult. Not sure the stats but i'd guess last season was one of Bayerns worst in a number of years.
Seems like he falls out with players a lot and doesn't last somewhere very long, which I guess is why the FA only have given him 18 months contract....
if we're going on Trophies, why not go for Louis Van Gaal then? (ok that's not a serious suggestion...) | | | |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 13:48 - Oct 18 with 1860 views | lazyblue |
He is English and it’s international football of course he should have been interviewed. | | | |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 14:28 - Oct 18 with 1769 views | Ryorry |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 13:39 - Oct 18 by Vaughan8 |
Tuchel has won stuff, but lets look at it.
He won the champions league with Chelsea, when it wasn't really his side, he'd only took over a few month earlier. After that it all went a bit pear shaped.
He won the league with Bayern and PSG - hardly difficult. Not sure the stats but i'd guess last season was one of Bayerns worst in a number of years.
Seems like he falls out with players a lot and doesn't last somewhere very long, which I guess is why the FA only have given him 18 months contract....
if we're going on Trophies, why not go for Louis Van Gaal then? (ok that's not a serious suggestion...) |
Going purely by winning trophies is ridiculous, as is saying Southgate was a “failure” as England manager because he didn’t win one - after he achieved semis in 2018 World Cup, runners-up in Euro 2020 (2021), quarter-final in 2022 World Cup, runners-up at Euro 2024.
Just a penalty shootout between a 🏆 or none.
https://news.sky.com/story/gareth-southgates-record-compared-to-other-england-ma | |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 14:41 - Oct 18 with 1748 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:20 - Oct 18 by homer_123 |
Here's the thing. Tuchel has proved he can deliver with quality at his disposal.
Howe might, that's a fair call.
But, in terms of risk, which is less risky? Which is more likely to deliver? |
Howe has a better Prem record than Southgate, who's done a decent job as England manager (if not quite getting over the line, but I think he's been a bit unlucky there).
I dunno which is less risky to be honest. I don't think Tuchel is necessarily the lesser risk because he won things at top clubs who were expected to win things. And unless he hits the ground running and wins every game, the press will be on Tuchel's back more than they would Howe. Rightly or wrongly, Howe would be given more leeway for being English and the best English hope.
I'm with the people who say the national coach should be the same nationality as the team he's managing. For every country. The manager is the most crucial person for a football team. The players, chosen by him, play to his vision/instructions. That the players have to be from that country but the manager can be from wherever you like seems ludicrous and illogical to me. | |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 14:42 - Oct 18 with 1750 views | Nutkins_Return |
He won the championship with Bournemouth....which if you are just looking at purely the trophy is superior to McKenna (on that basis and no context). Hes also been promoted from League One and League two. So. Lt a winner is not fair.
Having said that I would agree he hasnt got the CV for the England Job and Tuchel has a stronger CV so is a better appointment IMO. Not my top few picks but still a decent appointment on paper. | |
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| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 15:44 - Oct 18 with 1611 views | Blueschev |
| I see Eddie Howe wasn't interviewed for the England job. on 11:07 - Oct 18 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Where exactly did you expect him to win?
Howe is a top coach, and would've absolutely been my first choice for England manager. |
You've failed to take in to account of just how punchable his face is. I can't stand him, or that horrible diving, cheating Bournemouth team he won promotion with. |  | | |
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