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So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 17:02 - Aug 6 by blueislander
As the only thing our government has said is that the back stop has to go, and this is non-negotiable for the EU there is little point in talking. There seem to be no other proposals being put forward by the UK.
The Govt don't seem to know that the EU can read newspapers (in many different languages). So when they lie about everything being the fault of the EU or Eire or Remoaners or whatever, it's clear to anyone that they are not honest or competent. The EU are well rid of us.
The media pages with Gove looking like the Peter Richardson character in the Comic Strip Five Go Mad films makes me want to kick all these inept posturing dickfaces in the teeth.
So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 18:49 - Aug 6 by manchego
The Govt don't seem to know that the EU can read newspapers (in many different languages). So when they lie about everything being the fault of the EU or Eire or Remoaners or whatever, it's clear to anyone that they are not honest or competent. The EU are well rid of us.
I seem to recall one of the European Parliamentarians saying something along the lines that the EU should have done more to counter some of the misinformation in the British media well before the referendum but they chose to allow our own Government to let it go unchallenged instead (or even in many quarters to encourage it - Boris for example).
So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 18:58 - Aug 6 by Nthsuffolkblue
I seem to recall one of the European Parliamentarians saying something along the lines that the EU should have done more to counter some of the misinformation in the British media well before the referendum but they chose to allow our own Government to let it go unchallenged instead (or even in many quarters to encourage it - Boris for example).
They were in a rock / hard place scenario. They knew we were being lied to but it would not work if it was just the EU campaigning on behalf of the EU. They needed someone in the UK to do it too. We didn't.
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So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 19:13 - Aug 6 with 4902 views
So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 18:58 - Aug 6 by Nthsuffolkblue
I seem to recall one of the European Parliamentarians saying something along the lines that the EU should have done more to counter some of the misinformation in the British media well before the referendum but they chose to allow our own Government to let it go unchallenged instead (or even in many quarters to encourage it - Boris for example).
That's a good point! A lot of the Brexiters have said all along that the EU want to punish the UK for daring to vote to leave pour encourager les autres. They've got it wrong, the EU have effectively allowed the UK to punish itself in a highly global fashion as a warning to other EU countries
Just one small problem; sell their houses to who, Ben? Fcking Aquaman?
The chances of the EU changing it's position on the backstop have got to be pretty much zero. Whether we're genuinely committed to our own self-destruction, or just bluffing, I've no idea. I imagine Boris's plan doesn't really go much further than where we are now.
I guess we're going to see a no-confidence vote succeed in September, and then there are quite a few different outcomes possible..
So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 19:21 - Aug 6 by gordon
The chances of the EU changing it's position on the backstop have got to be pretty much zero. Whether we're genuinely committed to our own self-destruction, or just bluffing, I've no idea. I imagine Boris's plan doesn't really go much further than where we are now.
I guess we're going to see a no-confidence vote succeed in September, and then there are quite a few different outcomes possible..
It’s all a negotiation game, unfortunately Boris has staked everything on leaving on 31st Oct, giving us 2 and a bit months to negotiate, the eu know that no deal is completely unacceptable to 49 % of the population and possibly a lot more, they also know we will struggle to get any decent trade deals outside the EU as we will be in a shocking position being desperate to get off WTO tariffs.
They think we will blink or their will be seismic changes politically.
So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 19:21 - Aug 6 by gordon
The chances of the EU changing it's position on the backstop have got to be pretty much zero. Whether we're genuinely committed to our own self-destruction, or just bluffing, I've no idea. I imagine Boris's plan doesn't really go much further than where we are now.
I guess we're going to see a no-confidence vote succeed in September, and then there are quite a few different outcomes possible..
There is one way for the EU to drop the back stop. However, it is to remain in the customs union which certainly will not suit the ERG. One would almost ask, if we are staying in the customs union (and accepting all the regulations that go with it) why leave at all?
The no confidence vote looks almost certain. Would we then get a different (cross-party) grouping form a government or a general election? The hard line leave supporters seem to hope Boris would get to choose a date for an election, would choose after 31st October and we would simply leave without a Government in place to oversee it. I very much doubt that situation would ever be allowed to arise.
So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 19:28 - Aug 6 by LeoMuff
It’s all a negotiation game, unfortunately Boris has staked everything on leaving on 31st Oct, giving us 2 and a bit months to negotiate, the eu know that no deal is completely unacceptable to 49 % of the population and possibly a lot more, they also know we will struggle to get any decent trade deals outside the EU as we will be in a shocking position being desperate to get off WTO tariffs.
They think we will blink or their will be seismic changes politically.
Gen Election?
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So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 19:21 - Aug 6 by gordon
The chances of the EU changing it's position on the backstop have got to be pretty much zero. Whether we're genuinely committed to our own self-destruction, or just bluffing, I've no idea. I imagine Boris's plan doesn't really go much further than where we are now.
I guess we're going to see a no-confidence vote succeed in September, and then there are quite a few different outcomes possible..
Did you (or anyone) hear Gove this morning on R5l spouting complete bollox (no change there then) about Doris going to persuade the EU to change their mind about the backstop? The EU parliamentarian who was invited to respond literally described what Gove (and Boris) had said as "new-speak", ie turning the truth on its head as per George Orwell's 'Oceanaia' in the novel '1984'; & said there was zero chance of the EU changing its mind on that one.
Isn't the backstop enshrined in law anyway? Not just European, but the Good Friday Agreement?
So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 20:11 - Aug 6 by Oxford_Blue
They say they won’t.
I think when the reality of a no deal becomes more likely they will crack.
Let's imagine for a second that that's not pure fantasy, let's assume they do crack. What would that cracking look like? They'll suddenly not worry about the integrity of their borders or of the single market? What will be the offer to us when they crack?
So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 17:12 - Aug 6 by Ewan_Oozami
Nope, Cummings' plan is to convince the EU that the UK is ready for a no-deal, thus harming the EU more than the UK - unfortunately what Cummings hasn't realised is the EU think this bunch of herberts in Government are a complete shower, and don't really take anything they say seriously, even if they won't say so publicly - the UK will blink first and claim it's all someone else's fault whatever happens.
That's why I think the eyewatering amounts of money the UK is spending trying to prepare for no-deal will ultimately be wasted I reckon.
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Bring on a WTO exit. The UK will thrive without the dead weight of the EU sucking it dry like a parasite.
So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 01:31 - Aug 7 by The_Last_Baron
Bring on a WTO exit. The UK will thrive without the dead weight of the EU sucking it dry like a parasite.
You used to be a funny troll. Now you troll like you've been dropped on your head, reversed over by a bus and marched over by a parade.
Either be funny, or be annoying. What you're doing these days is just plain sad.
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So....the EU are refusing to renegotiate. on 20:11 - Aug 6 by Oxford_Blue
They say they won’t.
I think when the reality of a no deal becomes more likely they will crack.
Are you really that gullible?
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