| "You must stay at home" 20:40 - Mar 23 with 15327 views | Mullet |
Who is writing his speeches? He means "you will" doesn't he?
Boris has not been clear enough throughout for me. His choice of language and form goes before him. |  |
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| "You must stay at home" on 04:45 - Mar 24 with 3348 views | Churchman |
| "You must stay at home" on 23:17 - Mar 23 by Ryorry |
I think his statement tonight that if people didn't adhere to these rules the police would arrive to enforce them, made the sophistry of whether "must" or "will" are the correct words rather redundant.
I did wonder how the boys in blue would safely handcuff people from a distance of 2m tho - full protection suits?  |
A taser and a 2 metre boat hook should enable the boys in blue to cart off the bad guys safely. without protective gear. |  | | |
| (No subject) on 06:28 - Mar 24 with 3315 views | Ace_High1 |
| "You must stay at home" on 03:02 - Mar 24 by itfcjoe |
I thought the delivery of the message was much better tonight, probably helped by him not waffling when answering questions afterwards.
But on his Twitter and Instagram a video was released outlining the steps and it said that:
The only reasons you can leave home - to go to work if you are a key worker
But that video was pulled and later replaced with new wording (which is still live) saying - to go to work (but work from home if possible)
And later it’s been clarified that construction sites are still open, so realistically all jobs are still open.
I can’t sleep worrying about it all, what to do with things. My heart conflicting with my head. |
I was having the same debate with my Directors last night but when you step back we are picking apart certain words to try and justify staying open.....
Think what they are trying to achieve, social distancing to stop the spread of the virus. We all have to play our part. Regardless of It being at work or social, it needs to stop wherever it can.
I have pulled my guys off our sites as of last night until further notice. Yes its hard and it affects the business and our customers but this is more important now.
it's certainly not easy but I feel much better having made that decision last night. [Post edited 24 Mar 2020 6:55]
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| "You must stay at home" on 06:34 - Mar 24 with 3300 views | GlasgowBlue |
| "You must stay at home" on 22:27 - Mar 23 by Swansea_Blue |
Anarchy? Leaf it out. |
I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. |  |
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| "You must stay at home" on 06:53 - Mar 24 with 3270 views | WeWereZombies |
| "You must stay at home" on 06:34 - Mar 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. |
Please. no more lettuce puns. You lot deserve a rocket.
Endive story. |  |
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| "You must stay at home" on 07:17 - Mar 24 with 3256 views | itfcjoe |
| "You must stay at home" on 04:14 - Mar 24 by textbackup |
simple, will you be paid if you work from home, or just don't go in? yes or no. then that's effectively your answer
many of my mates are self employed, so either on sites or at customers houses. a lot of house visiting work has been cancelled, except things like fitting boilers in garages, outside taps/lights being fit, roofing. I have a bloke lined up to do some facias and soffits at end of week, he'll go round the back of house, do work, give me thumbs up, ill transfer his wage via banking app. I see that as absolutely safe personally
nobody in their right mind will want a tradesman actually in their house at this time surely? |
This is the issue for us, we have a couple of bits potentially lined up but employ directly 10 blokes, plus 3 regular subbies.
I think going to be best to lay off everyone, including myself although I’ll still do what I need, and then anything that can be done or that comes in I’ll just pass across to subbies to do to try and help them out
But need to check we can do that, can we still trade in a small way with all our employees laid off? Who can we clarify this with?
Just seems a very strange thing to do to shut the doors, but feels like it’s the right thing |  |
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| "You must stay at home" on 07:18 - Mar 24 with 3245 views | GlasgowBlue |
| "You must stay at home" on 07:17 - Mar 24 by itfcjoe |
This is the issue for us, we have a couple of bits potentially lined up but employ directly 10 blokes, plus 3 regular subbies.
I think going to be best to lay off everyone, including myself although I’ll still do what I need, and then anything that can be done or that comes in I’ll just pass across to subbies to do to try and help them out
But need to check we can do that, can we still trade in a small way with all our employees laid off? Who can we clarify this with?
Just seems a very strange thing to do to shut the doors, but feels like it’s the right thing |
Are you employed by your own company joe? | |
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| (No subject) on 07:18 - Mar 24 with 3248 views | itfcjoe |
| (No subject) on 06:28 - Mar 24 by Ace_High1 |
I was having the same debate with my Directors last night but when you step back we are picking apart certain words to try and justify staying open.....
Think what they are trying to achieve, social distancing to stop the spread of the virus. We all have to play our part. Regardless of It being at work or social, it needs to stop wherever it can.
I have pulled my guys off our sites as of last night until further notice. Yes its hard and it affects the business and our customers but this is more important now.
it's certainly not easy but I feel much better having made that decision last night. [Post edited 24 Mar 2020 6:55]
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We have had a big site pulled, closes tomorrow - think that will be it for us once we get that secured and locked down | |
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| "You must stay at home" on 07:21 - Mar 24 with 3236 views | itfcjoe |
| "You must stay at home" on 07:18 - Mar 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you employed by your own company joe? |
Yes, I’m not a director as it’s still owned by parents and been up all night with Dad trying to make the decisions, think he’s come round to my way of thinking that it’s time to take a step back
It feels unfair to keep paying myself, even though I’ll be doing a few hours a day but need to speak to accountant/adviser to work it all out. Are you doing anything with regards to furlough, if so can you drop me a DM | |
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| "You must stay at home" on 07:24 - Mar 24 with 3226 views | GlasgowBlue |
| "You must stay at home" on 07:21 - Mar 24 by itfcjoe |
Yes, I’m not a director as it’s still owned by parents and been up all night with Dad trying to make the decisions, think he’s come round to my way of thinking that it’s time to take a step back
It feels unfair to keep paying myself, even though I’ll be doing a few hours a day but need to speak to accountant/adviser to work it all out. Are you doing anything with regards to furlough, if so can you drop me a DM |
Put yourself on furlough and you’ll get 80% of your wages paid. Wish I hadn’t taken the minimum salary allowed for a director though.
I could continue to trade but I have to put my own health and that of others first. | |
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| "You must stay at home" on 07:47 - Mar 24 with 3188 views | WD19 |
Play the ball, not the man. |  | | |
| (No subject) on 07:59 - Mar 24 with 3170 views | Herbivore |
| (No subject) on 21:10 - Mar 23 by homer_123 |
Christ on a bike...use your brain for crying out loud man.
If you need everything soon fed to you then there's no hope.
Stay safe fella. |
Turns out many people had no idea who was and wasn't able to go to work and that your interpretation of it being a key workers only wasn't correct. Think you should apologise for the rather forthright tone you took whilst being wrong. |  |
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| "You must stay at home" on 08:00 - Mar 24 with 3169 views | Herbivore |
| "You must stay at home" on 07:47 - Mar 24 by WD19 |
Play the ball, not the man. |
Well, both are the issue. The man is a bumbling tit and we need clear messages. Bumbling tits don't tend to deliver clear messages. The messaging around who can and who can't go to work is a mess. | |
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| "You must stay at home" on 08:25 - Mar 24 with 3152 views | Pinewoodblue |
| "You must stay at home" on 08:00 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
Well, both are the issue. The man is a bumbling tit and we need clear messages. Bumbling tits don't tend to deliver clear messages. The messaging around who can and who can't go to work is a mess. |
The trouble is the law that will enforce all of this hasn’t been passed yet hence all Boris can say is you must, rather than you will.
It is unsatisfactory to effectively leave the decision on individuals but by the end of the week it will be different. |  |
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| "You must stay at home" on 08:30 - Mar 24 with 3131 views | Herbivore |
| "You must stay at home" on 08:25 - Mar 24 by Pinewoodblue |
The trouble is the law that will enforce all of this hasn’t been passed yet hence all Boris can say is you must, rather than you will.
It is unsatisfactory to effectively leave the decision on individuals but by the end of the week it will be different. |
The police have sufficient powers to disperse people as it is. Most businesses are complying where they are given clear guidance, however the guidance around who can and can't work has not been at all clear. Michael Gove tried clarifying it this morning but it still wasn't crystal clear, hence the tube still being rammed this morning according to reports. They don't need the legislation, if they unequivocally say that non-essential businesses need to shutdown and give clear guidance around what constitutes essential then businesses will follow suit. Most are carrying on because of the uncertainty, not because of a lack of legislation. | |
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| "You must stay at home" on 08:44 - Mar 24 with 3104 views | Pinewoodblue |
| "You must stay at home" on 08:30 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
The police have sufficient powers to disperse people as it is. Most businesses are complying where they are given clear guidance, however the guidance around who can and can't work has not been at all clear. Michael Gove tried clarifying it this morning but it still wasn't crystal clear, hence the tube still being rammed this morning according to reports. They don't need the legislation, if they unequivocally say that non-essential businesses need to shutdown and give clear guidance around what constitutes essential then businesses will follow suit. Most are carrying on because of the uncertainty, not because of a lack of legislation. |
That is your opinion, you need to accept you may not always be right. | |
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| "You must stay at home" on 08:46 - Mar 24 with 3098 views | Herbivore |
| "You must stay at home" on 08:44 - Mar 24 by Pinewoodblue |
That is your opinion, you need to accept you may not always be right. |
Great comeback. | |
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| "You must stay at home" on 09:10 - Mar 24 with 3077 views | sparks |
| "You must stay at home" on 08:25 - Mar 24 by Pinewoodblue |
The trouble is the law that will enforce all of this hasn’t been passed yet hence all Boris can say is you must, rather than you will.
It is unsatisfactory to effectively leave the decision on individuals but by the end of the week it will be different. |
You "must" is an imperative.
It would always be the term used in law to indicate that something was an absolute requirement. It is the most precise term available. I don't really understand why "will" which amounts to a prediction rather than an order is better. |  |
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| (No subject) on 09:10 - Mar 24 with 3077 views | Leaky |
| (No subject) on 21:15 - Mar 23 by Guthrum |
I read that as meaning essential work only. |
Essential work is as say's, as a plumbing heating engineer I am allowed to do emergency work gas leaks, water leaks, boiler break downs ect. I have cancelled a bathroom refurb. as its not essential, the client can live with there old bathroom suite for a few more weeks. Painting & decorating is not essential, if tiles blow off your roof that's essential all common sense really. |  | | |
| (No subject) on 09:27 - Mar 24 with 3057 views | sparks |
| (No subject) on 09:10 - Mar 24 by Leaky |
Essential work is as say's, as a plumbing heating engineer I am allowed to do emergency work gas leaks, water leaks, boiler break downs ect. I have cancelled a bathroom refurb. as its not essential, the client can live with there old bathroom suite for a few more weeks. Painting & decorating is not essential, if tiles blow off your roof that's essential all common sense really. |
The lack of clarity on these points, and the mixed messages (eg regarding constuction workers) is unforgiveable. | |
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| "You must stay at home" on 10:07 - Mar 24 with 3029 views | Ryorry |
| "You must stay at home" on 06:34 - Mar 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. |
Aw, you can be a little gem sometimes. |  |
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| "You must stay at home" on 10:11 - Mar 24 with 3020 views | LankHenners |
Michael Gove contradicting the government's advice on movement of children with separated parents on TV then having to clear it up on Twitter afterwards ffs.
They can't even communicate effectively between themselves. |  |
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| (No subject) on 10:13 - Mar 24 with 3004 views | Ryorry |
| (No subject) on 09:27 - Mar 24 by sparks |
The lack of clarity on these points, and the mixed messages (eg regarding constuction workers) is unforgiveable. |
Our local council issued a statement to all residents online explaining that work on properties is regarded as essential when *not* doing it would result in either a threat to the health and safety of occupants; and/or damage to the property. [Post edited 24 Mar 2020 10:15]
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| "You must stay at home" on 10:28 - Mar 24 with 2985 views | Ryorry |
Also:-
"The Police and Fire Service have issued a joint statement following the instructions to stay at home from the Prime Minister.
Lisa Winward, Chief Constable of North Yorkshire Police
Andrew Brodie, Chief Fire Officer of North Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Service
Julia Mulligan, North Yorkshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner
Speaking today, they jointly said:
It is our job to keep North Yorkshire safe and we can only do that if you follow the instruction to stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives.
We know the vast majority of you have already been taking action to stop the spread of Coronavirus, and we thank you for those efforts. But some have not — and the crowds we saw in some parts of North Yorkshire this weekend illustrated that all too clearly.
*Now there is no ambiguity, there can be no question — if you do not need to be outside for an essential reason, to buy food or medicine or to exercise once a day, you must stay at home.
Anyone who thinks this does not apply to them is putting lives at risk. North Yorkshire Police will use all powers we have to stop that, to keep us all safe and to ultimately save lives.*
Our emergency services will be here to protect you throughout this national emergency. We know these are unsettling times. They are unprecedented times. But across North Yorkshire we stand together, and together we’ll get through it."
Not mentioning work seems a big miss-out in the statement tho. | |
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| "You must stay at home" on 10:39 - Mar 24 with 2965 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| "You must stay at home" on 07:24 - Mar 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Put yourself on furlough and you’ll get 80% of your wages paid. Wish I hadn’t taken the minimum salary allowed for a director though.
I could continue to trade but I have to put my own health and that of others first. |
Why do you wish you had payed yourself more Glasgow? |  |
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| "You must stay at home" on 10:42 - Mar 24 with 2959 views | Herbivore |
| "You must stay at home" on 10:28 - Mar 24 by Ryorry |
Also:-
"The Police and Fire Service have issued a joint statement following the instructions to stay at home from the Prime Minister.
Lisa Winward, Chief Constable of North Yorkshire Police
Andrew Brodie, Chief Fire Officer of North Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Service
Julia Mulligan, North Yorkshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner
Speaking today, they jointly said:
It is our job to keep North Yorkshire safe and we can only do that if you follow the instruction to stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives.
We know the vast majority of you have already been taking action to stop the spread of Coronavirus, and we thank you for those efforts. But some have not — and the crowds we saw in some parts of North Yorkshire this weekend illustrated that all too clearly.
*Now there is no ambiguity, there can be no question — if you do not need to be outside for an essential reason, to buy food or medicine or to exercise once a day, you must stay at home.
Anyone who thinks this does not apply to them is putting lives at risk. North Yorkshire Police will use all powers we have to stop that, to keep us all safe and to ultimately save lives.*
Our emergency services will be here to protect you throughout this national emergency. We know these are unsettling times. They are unprecedented times. But across North Yorkshire we stand together, and together we’ll get through it."
Not mentioning work seems a big miss-out in the statement tho. |
I think the issue with work is this: if they say unambiguously that all bar non-essential work needs to cease then the economic hit will be huge. The economy will suffer and the government will need to pay out big sums to prop up employees and businesses. I think they are reluctant to do that as a result, which is why the messaging on work has been unclear. They need to just suck it up and take the hit, otherwise we're going to continue seeing public transport being rammed and the virus will continue to spread. There's no point in waiting another few days before inevitably taking this step, just do it now. Those of us that have been following the advice will get fed up of having this dragged out unnecessarily. | |
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