| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 11:02 - Apr 28 with 989 views | Sarge |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 10:31 - Apr 28 by NotSure |
Really, are you going to explain the extra deaths to me or are we all just making pointless replies that add nothing. |
There’s a good chance some of them are deaths caused by the strain COVID-19 is putting on health service resources. There has been an entirely preventable death in my extended family that you’d like to think would never have happened if everyone wasn’t quite so rushed off their feet.
‘Lockdown’ is a temporary blanket solution, it doesn’t make any sense in some aspects, it fails to take any nuances into account and is causing massive harm in many other ways, but it was what was needed to stop so many other preventable deaths. |  | |  |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 11:04 - Apr 28 with 970 views | Darth_Koont |
Struggling to understand why care homes weren't a priority over 6-8 weeks ago. The data on risk groups was already clear as day.
Managing the interface between care homes and the general public is/was more important than pretty much any other single area. |  |
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| FFS Facters, get your facters straight..... on 11:05 - Apr 28 with 965 views | Bloots |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 10:56 - Apr 28 by factual_blue |
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his relative to go to the pub. |
….he DOES NOT want anyone to die so that he can go down the pub!!
FAKE NEWS.
He wants people to die so that his mates can come round his house.
He's been very clear on this.
Thank you. [Post edited 28 Apr 2020 11:16]
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| FFS Facters, get your facters straight..... on 11:24 - Apr 28 with 934 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| FFS Facters, get your facters straight..... on 11:05 - Apr 28 by Bloots |
….he DOES NOT want anyone to die so that he can go down the pub!!
FAKE NEWS.
He wants people to die so that his mates can come round his house.
He's been very clear on this.
Thank you. [Post edited 28 Apr 2020 11:16]
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And most if those who die are 'economically inactive' so they don't matter.
Hmm... who do we know in that category? |  |
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| FFS Facters, get your facters straight..... on 11:34 - Apr 28 with 901 views | factual_blue |
| FFS Facters, get your facters straight..... on 11:24 - Apr 28 by Tangledupin_Blue |
And most if those who die are 'economically inactive' so they don't matter.
Hmm... who do we know in that category? |
Well, anybody you know under the age of sixteen is classified as 'economically inactive'. |  |
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| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 11:37 - Apr 28 with 882 views | Swansea_Blue |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 10:22 - Apr 28 by NotSure |
So looking at the spreadsheet …
11,854 extra deaths in week ending 17th April.
8,758 Deaths where Covid-19 mentioned on the death certificate (And 86% where Covid-19 was underlying cause).
Which leaves us with 3,096 extra unexplained deaths when comparing against the 5 year average.
And it's the 3.096 which worries me the most.
It appears the current lock down is causing extra deaths. |
Top trolling! |  |
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| You have to make this assumption really..... on 11:51 - Apr 28 with 836 views | Bloots |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 11:37 - Apr 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Top trolling! |
….particularly given his username/avatar but it's really not a subject to be trolling about.
Surprised his "views", whether they are trolling or not, are allowed to remain really.
There's some very strange people about. | |
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| You have to make this assumption really..... on 11:56 - Apr 28 with 826 views | bluelagos |
| You have to make this assumption really..... on 11:51 - Apr 28 by Bloots |
….particularly given his username/avatar but it's really not a subject to be trolling about.
Surprised his "views", whether they are trolling or not, are allowed to remain really.
There's some very strange people about. |
It is a very strange topic to be trolling about.
The question of why are there an additional 3k unexplained deaths is a valid one and an important one. |  |
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| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 12:00 - Apr 28 with 815 views | eireblue |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 10:22 - Apr 28 by NotSure |
So looking at the spreadsheet …
11,854 extra deaths in week ending 17th April.
8,758 Deaths where Covid-19 mentioned on the death certificate (And 86% where Covid-19 was underlying cause).
Which leaves us with 3,096 extra unexplained deaths when comparing against the 5 year average.
And it's the 3.096 which worries me the most.
It appears the current lock down is causing extra deaths. |
“I know nothing about this virus..”
Will this be a regular feature, you confirming and demonstrating ignorance and fallacious thinking on daily basis.
Must say I prefer the Best XI that played in non-black boots, features.
Maybe Phil will stop this one. |  | | |
| You have to make this assumption really..... on 12:07 - Apr 28 with 792 views | sparks |
| You have to make this assumption really..... on 11:56 - Apr 28 by bluelagos |
It is a very strange topic to be trolling about.
The question of why are there an additional 3k unexplained deaths is a valid one and an important one. |
Not really. there are natural variations for a start. So before you start attributing or speculating other causes, you ought to see if you can rule that out.
Even if you can- there are many possibilities (including Covid by direct adn indirect means). The troll in question fallaciously says "it must be this because noone is telling me another answer" which is pathetic and ridiculous.
The stupid trolling by the poster in question is really obnoxious. Espceially int he context of his despicable comments and attitude demonstrated in yesterdays thread. |  |
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| You have to make this assumption really..... on 12:19 - Apr 28 with 765 views | giant_stow |
| You have to make this assumption really..... on 11:56 - Apr 28 by bluelagos |
It is a very strange topic to be trolling about.
The question of why are there an additional 3k unexplained deaths is a valid one and an important one. |
Of course it is.
Maybe this is that thing the NHS have been warning about - people being scared of going to hospital or not wanting to be a burden? Or perhaps, it's simply new poverty kicking in? Or maybe it's all those cancelled opperations to clear the way for covid paitents? |  |
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| You have to make this assumption really..... on 12:21 - Apr 28 with 756 views | bluelagos |
| You have to make this assumption really..... on 12:07 - Apr 28 by sparks |
Not really. there are natural variations for a start. So before you start attributing or speculating other causes, you ought to see if you can rule that out.
Even if you can- there are many possibilities (including Covid by direct adn indirect means). The troll in question fallaciously says "it must be this because noone is telling me another answer" which is pathetic and ridiculous.
The stupid trolling by the poster in question is really obnoxious. Espceially int he context of his despicable comments and attitude demonstrated in yesterdays thread. |
I am not defending the trolling Bully. The guy is an idiot, no argument from me on that. | |
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| You have to make this assumption really..... on 12:23 - Apr 28 with 745 views | monytowbray |
| You have to make this assumption really..... on 12:19 - Apr 28 by giant_stow |
Of course it is.
Maybe this is that thing the NHS have been warning about - people being scared of going to hospital or not wanting to be a burden? Or perhaps, it's simply new poverty kicking in? Or maybe it's all those cancelled opperations to clear the way for covid paitents? |
I've not seen anyone say "I still think they're doing a good job" recently so perhaps FINALLY some people are waking up.
And then there are those who have been screaming that line for weeks who are suddenly very quiet. I'd like to hear their comments on the Panorama last night personally. |  |
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| You have to make this assumption really..... on 12:58 - Apr 28 with 709 views | Freddies_Ears |
| You have to make this assumption really..... on 12:19 - Apr 28 by giant_stow |
Of course it is.
Maybe this is that thing the NHS have been warning about - people being scared of going to hospital or not wanting to be a burden? Or perhaps, it's simply new poverty kicking in? Or maybe it's all those cancelled opperations to clear the way for covid paitents? |
Many of the "unexplained" additional deaths are likely (per BlueBadger - who knows better than most of us) to be Covid-related.
That will include people with significant other health issues, and Covid became the straw that broke the camel's back. They'd have lived longer without Covid, but not necessarily that much longer.
It will also include care home cases where no tests were carried out. | | | |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 13:45 - Apr 28 with 665 views | StokieBlue |
Still at it then I see, posting false equivalences to make your downplaying point which you will then deny you are making.
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| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 13:59 - Apr 28 with 628 views | jeera |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 11:04 - Apr 28 by Darth_Koont |
Struggling to understand why care homes weren't a priority over 6-8 weeks ago. The data on risk groups was already clear as day.
Managing the interface between care homes and the general public is/was more important than pretty much any other single area. |
One of my aunts is in a care home in Ilford.
There have now been 4 c-19 deaths so far.
As there's been no visitors allowed throughout all this it can only have come into the building via the staff.
The staff themselves can't be held to account individually I suppose, unless any of them have been like those dicks who are doing as they please when not at work, but I do wonder what measures are being taken to prevent the virus entering the home.
If they aren't showing symptoms and there's no testing available for them and they aren't breaking the rules outside of work, it's a nightmare of a concern.
These people are there to be looked after and are currently being held captive in a building waiting to take their chances. |  |
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| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:00 - Apr 28 with 627 views | giant_stow |
Any chance of explaining what you're getting at for hard of thinking please? | |
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| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:00 - Apr 28 with 623 views | Bluesquid |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 13:45 - Apr 28 by StokieBlue |
Still at it then I see, posting false equivalences to make your downplaying point which you will then deny you are making.
SB |
The figures from the ONS speak for themselves.
Very high levels of flu - 48,000 excess deaths in 1999/00.
44,000 excess winter deaths in 2014/15. | | | |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:03 - Apr 28 with 616 views | StokieBlue |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:00 - Apr 28 by giant_stow |
Any chance of explaining what you're getting at for hard of thinking please? |
He's attempting to downplay C19, as he has done for 2 months now.
He will then claim he isn't.
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| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:08 - Apr 28 with 603 views | StokieBlue |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:00 - Apr 28 by Bluesquid |
The figures from the ONS speak for themselves.
Very high levels of flu - 48,000 excess deaths in 1999/00.
44,000 excess winter deaths in 2014/15. |
It's a false equivalence as you well know. I remember your posts a few months ago saying C19 was overblown and no worse than flu. Since then you've attempted to use mortality rates to justify that viewpoint without factoring in the r0.
They don't speak for themselves because:
- The r0 rate of seasonal flu is lower than C19
- The mortality rate of seasonal flu is lower than C19
- Those numbers are with everyone going about their daily life as normal
- If there had been no restrictions then the deaths from C19 would be massively higher than what you are citing as an equivalence
- There is no evidence this is seasonal at the moment
- The final figures for recent months are likely to change
Essentially you are deliberately comparing two things as equivalent which aren't and you've been doing it for months. I've asked why and you've never answered.
I think everyone is pretty sick of you downplaying things with virtually every post. What is the endgame? What is your actual point?
SB [Post edited 28 Apr 2020 14:09]
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| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:08 - Apr 28 with 600 views | SpruceMoose |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 10:22 - Apr 28 by NotSure |
So looking at the spreadsheet …
11,854 extra deaths in week ending 17th April.
8,758 Deaths where Covid-19 mentioned on the death certificate (And 86% where Covid-19 was underlying cause).
Which leaves us with 3,096 extra unexplained deaths when comparing against the 5 year average.
And it's the 3.096 which worries me the most.
It appears the current lock down is causing extra deaths. |
Oh do fook off. |  |
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| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:13 - Apr 28 with 576 views | sparks |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:00 - Apr 28 by Bluesquid |
The figures from the ONS speak for themselves.
Very high levels of flu - 48,000 excess deaths in 1999/00.
44,000 excess winter deaths in 2014/15. |
And your purpose in juxtaposing this with the current thread? | |
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| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:14 - Apr 28 with 574 views | SpruceMoose |
You can get in the sea too. [Post edited 28 Apr 2020 14:15]
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| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:20 - Apr 28 with 557 views | DanTheMan |
| ONS numbers are out, they're not good on 14:08 - Apr 28 by StokieBlue |
It's a false equivalence as you well know. I remember your posts a few months ago saying C19 was overblown and no worse than flu. Since then you've attempted to use mortality rates to justify that viewpoint without factoring in the r0.
They don't speak for themselves because:
- The r0 rate of seasonal flu is lower than C19
- The mortality rate of seasonal flu is lower than C19
- Those numbers are with everyone going about their daily life as normal
- If there had been no restrictions then the deaths from C19 would be massively higher than what you are citing as an equivalence
- There is no evidence this is seasonal at the moment
- The final figures for recent months are likely to change
Essentially you are deliberately comparing two things as equivalent which aren't and you've been doing it for months. I've asked why and you've never answered.
I think everyone is pretty sick of you downplaying things with virtually every post. What is the endgame? What is your actual point?
SB [Post edited 28 Apr 2020 14:09]
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"I've asked why and you've never answered."
I think we both know why. |  |
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