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WTF is wrong with people? 09:31 - Jun 26 with 8474 viewsStokieBlue

Second night running that police have been attacked trying to disperse and illegal party in London:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/26/police-attacked-at-illegal-stree

Why are people acting so selfishly? The parties aren't allowed anyway and will cause issues with other parts of Europe already seeing a rise in cases of C19 and then to attack the police for trying to disperse them is totally unacceptable. There was a quote from the previous night where someone said something along the lines of: "It was all fine until the police started to try and enforce the law". I mean what on earth?

Then you have 500,000 people heading to the beaches in Dorset and once there complaining that people are idiots for crowding the beach whilst totally ignoring the fact they themselves were there to crowd the beach. They then leave tonnes of litter and it looks like they will force the closure of beaches.

Depressing.

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Sometimes people are solely responsible.... on 11:56 - Jun 26 with 2863 viewsmonytowbray

Sometimes people are solely responsible.... on 11:29 - Jun 26 by Bloots

….for their own actions.

You need to accept that, it'll be better for you in the long run.

I'm not going to get into this with you, it's a nice day.

Relax and enjoy it matey.


This is a pretty piss weak response to be honest. All I've done is post an opinion and you've dismissed me in some kind of arsey reply without little nudge.

You could always discuss my opinion.

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Sometimes people are solely responsible.... on 11:59 - Jun 26 with 2840 viewsfooters

Sometimes people are solely responsible.... on 11:56 - Jun 26 by monytowbray

This is a pretty piss weak response to be honest. All I've done is post an opinion and you've dismissed me in some kind of arsey reply without little nudge.

You could always discuss my opinion.

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Sometimes people are solely responsible.... on 12:00 - Jun 26 with 2831 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Sometimes people are solely responsible.... on 11:29 - Jun 26 by Bloots

….for their own actions.

You need to accept that, it'll be better for you in the long run.

I'm not going to get into this with you, it's a nice day.

Relax and enjoy it matey.


Agreed.

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WTF is wrong with people? on 12:02 - Jun 26 with 2831 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

WTF is wrong with people? on 11:54 - Jun 26 by monytowbray

I feel it's pretty straight forward that civil unrest comes from unstable environments, politically and economically. That's what's happening in the USA right now. Although a race matter is leading the charge, it is a symptom of failed democracy, not a cause.

Yeah, there will be people who do stupid stuff, but these issues also distract from the overall issues. We aren't as extreme as the USA but we have our own systematic issues to deal with.

The wider UK reaction to a Bristol statue they'd never heard of until a couple of weeks ago shows a poor understanding of social issues - anyone with half a bit of knowledge of Bristol could tell you that statue was long overdue coming down, with over a decade of petitions and protest against it. Massive Attack have refused to play their hometown for years because of it. But then the story that gets pushed is "OMG ANARCHISTS", which also ironically fails to understand what Anarchy is. What the Sex Pistols defined as Anarchy isn't actually Anarchy. Anarchy is actually democracy in it's purest form (alas also a pipe dream that could never realistically happen overnight without a major shift in human compassion).


To be fair, I've not spoken to anyone who was troubled by the Bristol statue being taken down.

I think you may have been reading social media threads that are misleading.

There was some outrage at the Chruchill statue or war memorials, but I dont know anyone who gave a sh1t about the Bristol statue being removed.

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Sometimes people are solely responsible.... on 12:05 - Jun 26 with 2829 viewsmonytowbray

Sometimes people are solely responsible.... on 12:00 - Jun 26 by Marshalls_Mullet

Agreed.


Yeah, dismissal of various political commentators and missing the point is something to agree with.

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WTF is wrong with people? on 12:06 - Jun 26 with 2825 viewsmonytowbray

WTF is wrong with people? on 12:02 - Jun 26 by Marshalls_Mullet

To be fair, I've not spoken to anyone who was troubled by the Bristol statue being taken down.

I think you may have been reading social media threads that are misleading.

There was some outrage at the Chruchill statue or war memorials, but I dont know anyone who gave a sh1t about the Bristol statue being removed.


What do you know about what I read?

Between the mix of fake social media posts pushed by troll farms plenty of normal people skipped along with it. Our government want to those who did it punished by law, as if the law is a never evolving human system that always stands for what’s right.
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Sometimes people are solely responsible.... on 12:07 - Jun 26 with 2815 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Sometimes people are solely responsible.... on 12:05 - Jun 26 by monytowbray

Yeah, dismissal of various political commentators and missing the point is something to agree with.

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WTF is wrong with people? on 12:07 - Jun 26 with 2805 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

WTF is wrong with people? on 12:06 - Jun 26 by monytowbray

What do you know about what I read?

Between the mix of fake social media posts pushed by troll farms plenty of normal people skipped along with it. Our government want to those who did it punished by law, as if the law is a never evolving human system that always stands for what’s right.
[Post edited 26 Jun 2020 12:08]


Just a view on how you may've reached your conclusion.

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WTF is wrong with people? on 12:18 - Jun 26 with 2778 viewsBlueBadger

WTF is wrong with people? on 10:27 - Jun 26 by footers

Yeah, was more concerned at the half a million building sandcastles than the kicking off at police. Although that is still a big problem.

As above, I do think people need to take responsibility, but what chance is there of that? Time and again people are proven to be selfish and beyond stupid. Maybe stricter measures and messaging would have helped. Who knows, but the genie's been out of the bottle for some time now and I think a second wave is just a matter of time.


I am starting to think that this whole unfolding farce is part of an effort to force herd immunity via second wave rather than risk one in winter.

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WTF is wrong with people? on 12:20 - Jun 26 with 2774 viewsclive_baker

WTF is wrong with people? on 11:54 - Jun 26 by monytowbray

I feel it's pretty straight forward that civil unrest comes from unstable environments, politically and economically. That's what's happening in the USA right now. Although a race matter is leading the charge, it is a symptom of failed democracy, not a cause.

Yeah, there will be people who do stupid stuff, but these issues also distract from the overall issues. We aren't as extreme as the USA but we have our own systematic issues to deal with.

The wider UK reaction to a Bristol statue they'd never heard of until a couple of weeks ago shows a poor understanding of social issues - anyone with half a bit of knowledge of Bristol could tell you that statue was long overdue coming down, with over a decade of petitions and protest against it. Massive Attack have refused to play their hometown for years because of it. But then the story that gets pushed is "OMG ANARCHISTS", which also ironically fails to understand what Anarchy is. What the Sex Pistols defined as Anarchy isn't actually Anarchy. Anarchy is actually democracy in it's purest form (alas also a pipe dream that could never realistically happen overnight without a major shift in human compassion).


For me, there's no logical argument to be celebrating a figure like Colston, who made his money exploiting a barbaric trade. That statue should've been removed years ago and its a failing of the local authorities for not doing so.

It's also possible however to feel like that, but take exception to the principle of a vigilante group taking matters into their own hands and pulling it down in broad daylight, dragging it through the streets and throwing it into the river. That's not how democratic societies work. Just because I 'agree' with the outcome on this occasion, doesn't mean I agree with how it's done or want to see that as a precedent, as no doubt another group will react in a way I don't agree with one day and chaos ensues.

What we need is a task force to review every single statue and nod to the past we have in this country and question whether it's something we should be proud of, and rightly celebrate, or rather if they should be consigned to museums and used to educate the next generation about rights and wrongs.

As for attacking police officers, its deplorable and shouldn't under any circumstances be defended or attempt to be justified. There's systematic bias wherever you look in this country and a lot more needs to be done to unpick it and create a more equal society. Punching coppers isn't the answer.
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WTF is wrong with people? on 12:30 - Jun 26 with 2746 viewsPendejo

Don't most riots occur during hot weather?

People drink too much, heat already affecting them, a convenient target presents itself in the shape of the police... I mean "no-one"cares if a few cops get punched they?

Amongst those who have little respect for law and order lockdown was in name only, but, there was no crowd to hide in. Now the crowd are out to provide camouflage time to light the blue touch paper.

Was out delivering food last night - Clapham Common was rammed - pointing out to my wife that to get home we would have to cross at least part of Brixton and that there is rarely one night's disturbance, normally runs a couple of nights.

One of the Food Aid delivery guys got attacked in Brixton early on in that melee and was hospitalised.

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WTF is wrong with people? on 12:46 - Jun 26 with 2714 viewsThe_Major

Something has just struck me.

Bournemouth beach was packed to the rafters on Wednesday and then even more so yesterday.

This means that people yesterday saw the mayhem on Wednesday, with the litter, and the burger boxes used as makeshift toilets, and thought "Yep, I'll have a piece of that"

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No Callis, that's not the case.... on 13:03 - Jun 26 with 2686 viewsBloots

Sometimes people are solely responsible.... on 11:56 - Jun 26 by monytowbray

This is a pretty piss weak response to be honest. All I've done is post an opinion and you've dismissed me in some kind of arsey reply without little nudge.

You could always discuss my opinion.

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...at all.

I read your opinion and I don't agree with it.

The same way you don't agree with mine.

I won't argue with you about it because it achieves very little and your reactions to "discussions" can often be extreme.

I can only see one person screaming to be honest.

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WTF is wrong with people? on 13:20 - Jun 26 with 2665 viewsBloomBlue

And just hearing on the radio there was a stabbing in Bournemouth last night following a fight and the news report indicated it involved 3 males who had traveled to Bournemouth from London to spend the day on the beach.

Now obviously need to clarify if true, but If true who the f*** carries a knife with them when going to the beach for the day?
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No Callis, that's not the case.... on 14:01 - Jun 26 with 2624 viewsmonytowbray

No Callis, that's not the case.... on 13:03 - Jun 26 by Bloots

...at all.

I read your opinion and I don't agree with it.

The same way you don't agree with mine.

I won't argue with you about it because it achieves very little and your reactions to "discussions" can often be extreme.

I can only see one person screaming to be honest.


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WTF is wrong with people? on 14:24 - Jun 26 with 2601 viewsPendejo

WTF is wrong with people? on 13:20 - Jun 26 by BloomBlue

And just hearing on the radio there was a stabbing in Bournemouth last night following a fight and the news report indicated it involved 3 males who had traveled to Bournemouth from London to spend the day on the beach.

Now obviously need to clarify if true, but If true who the f*** carries a knife with them when going to the beach for the day?


're last paragraph... The same people who kick off about stop and search, the same same people who routinely carry them full stop.

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WTF is wrong with people? on 14:42 - Jun 26 with 2567 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

WTF is wrong with people? on 12:06 - Jun 26 by monytowbray

What do you know about what I read?

Between the mix of fake social media posts pushed by troll farms plenty of normal people skipped along with it. Our government want to those who did it punished by law, as if the law is a never evolving human system that always stands for what’s right.
[Post edited 26 Jun 2020 12:08]


Unless I’ve missed it I didn’t think anyone had been arrested or punished for bringing down the Colston statue?

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WTF is wrong with people? on 14:52 - Jun 26 with 2551 viewsmonytowbray

WTF is wrong with people? on 14:42 - Jun 26 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

Unless I’ve missed it I didn’t think anyone had been arrested or punished for bringing down the Colston statue?


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WTF is wrong with people? on 14:55 - Jun 26 with 2544 viewsOhDavidMcgoldrick

WTF is wrong with people? on 13:20 - Jun 26 by BloomBlue

And just hearing on the radio there was a stabbing in Bournemouth last night following a fight and the news report indicated it involved 3 males who had traveled to Bournemouth from London to spend the day on the beach.

Now obviously need to clarify if true, but If true who the f*** carries a knife with them when going to the beach for the day?


I sometimes take a knife to cut the quiche and scotch eggs but thats about it!

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WTF is wrong with people? on 15:01 - Jun 26 with 2526 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

WTF is wrong with people? on 14:52 - Jun 26 by monytowbray

“Any incident of vandalism or attack on public property will be met with the full force of the law and perpetrators will be prosecuted.” - Johnson.


That quote was in relation to vandalism of war memorials

As far as I’m aware the only notable arrest for vandalising a memorial was the chap that p*ssed next to PC Keith Palmers memorial plaque

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Disengage! Disengage!! (n/t) on 15:02 - Jun 26 with 2529 viewsBloots

WTF is wrong with people? on 15:01 - Jun 26 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

That quote was in relation to vandalism of war memorials

As far as I’m aware the only notable arrest for vandalising a memorial was the chap that p*ssed next to PC Keith Palmers memorial plaque


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WTF is wrong with people? on 15:52 - Jun 26 with 2487 viewsGeoffSentence

WTF is wrong with people? on 11:54 - Jun 26 by monytowbray

I feel it's pretty straight forward that civil unrest comes from unstable environments, politically and economically. That's what's happening in the USA right now. Although a race matter is leading the charge, it is a symptom of failed democracy, not a cause.

Yeah, there will be people who do stupid stuff, but these issues also distract from the overall issues. We aren't as extreme as the USA but we have our own systematic issues to deal with.

The wider UK reaction to a Bristol statue they'd never heard of until a couple of weeks ago shows a poor understanding of social issues - anyone with half a bit of knowledge of Bristol could tell you that statue was long overdue coming down, with over a decade of petitions and protest against it. Massive Attack have refused to play their hometown for years because of it. But then the story that gets pushed is "OMG ANARCHISTS", which also ironically fails to understand what Anarchy is. What the Sex Pistols defined as Anarchy isn't actually Anarchy. Anarchy is actually democracy in it's purest form (alas also a pipe dream that could never realistically happen overnight without a major shift in human compassion).


IN these cases didnt the civil unrest stem from street parties, which have nothing to do with poverty and a lot to do with selfishness.

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WTF is wrong with people? on 16:08 - Jun 26 with 2469 viewsbluelagos

Regarding the crowds at the beaches, I have a slightly different take on it.

We lockdown families for 13 weeks. We then sort of release the lockdown. Only you can't return to work as the schools aren't open. And you can't take the kids to the theme parks. Or go on holiday. Or go to stay with your old folks. And maybe you don't have a garden. And it's boiling hot. And you've not been more than 10 miles from your home for 3 months...

Where exactly did people imagine people were going to go yesterday? The councils were surprised by the visitors (and the rubbish)?

I'd also add that the expert on Skynews today was clear in what he saw, lots of groups coming in their "bubbles", staying in their bubbles with very little inter mingling on the beach. Very low rates of transmission.

I think everyone jumping on the bandwagon should consider for a minute what it's like with kids, in the heat, with no school, no garden and no prospect of a holiday anytime soon...

*Of course there were examples of general dickheadness - but the vast majority appeared to be well behaved from the pics I saw.
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WTF is wrong with people? on 16:11 - Jun 26 with 2457 viewsMullet

WTF is wrong with people? on 16:08 - Jun 26 by bluelagos

Regarding the crowds at the beaches, I have a slightly different take on it.

We lockdown families for 13 weeks. We then sort of release the lockdown. Only you can't return to work as the schools aren't open. And you can't take the kids to the theme parks. Or go on holiday. Or go to stay with your old folks. And maybe you don't have a garden. And it's boiling hot. And you've not been more than 10 miles from your home for 3 months...

Where exactly did people imagine people were going to go yesterday? The councils were surprised by the visitors (and the rubbish)?

I'd also add that the expert on Skynews today was clear in what he saw, lots of groups coming in their "bubbles", staying in their bubbles with very little inter mingling on the beach. Very low rates of transmission.

I think everyone jumping on the bandwagon should consider for a minute what it's like with kids, in the heat, with no school, no garden and no prospect of a holiday anytime soon...

*Of course there were examples of general dickheadness - but the vast majority appeared to be well behaved from the pics I saw.
[Post edited 26 Jun 2020 16:10]


That doesn't explain or excuse sh1tting on the floor.

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WTF is wrong with people? on 16:13 - Jun 26 with 2450 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

WTF is wrong with people? on 16:08 - Jun 26 by bluelagos

Regarding the crowds at the beaches, I have a slightly different take on it.

We lockdown families for 13 weeks. We then sort of release the lockdown. Only you can't return to work as the schools aren't open. And you can't take the kids to the theme parks. Or go on holiday. Or go to stay with your old folks. And maybe you don't have a garden. And it's boiling hot. And you've not been more than 10 miles from your home for 3 months...

Where exactly did people imagine people were going to go yesterday? The councils were surprised by the visitors (and the rubbish)?

I'd also add that the expert on Skynews today was clear in what he saw, lots of groups coming in their "bubbles", staying in their bubbles with very little inter mingling on the beach. Very low rates of transmission.

I think everyone jumping on the bandwagon should consider for a minute what it's like with kids, in the heat, with no school, no garden and no prospect of a holiday anytime soon...

*Of course there were examples of general dickheadness - but the vast majority appeared to be well behaved from the pics I saw.
[Post edited 26 Jun 2020 16:10]


Indeed, plus the fact that you’re actually you know, allowed to go to the beach

Obviously none of that excuses some of the anti social behaviour reported some places

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