| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine 22:33 - Jul 13 with 20743 views | ElderGrizzly |
About time too.
Pubs next?
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:23 - Jul 14 with 1927 views | Mullet |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:20 - Jul 14 by 26_Paz |
There was a guy on TV yesterday (I can’t remember who he was). He was saying that polling has shown that Britons are some on the most cautious people in Europe when it comes to their attitude to corona. Polling has also shown that we are the country with the least support for mask wearing in Europe. Baffling. *Probably because the government spent months telling us they were useless!* |
The fact we see Johnson in a bright blue one plastered all over the media is very telling. This was after all the bloke who caught it after bragging about shaking hands and doing as he pleased in a hospital.
This is a bloke who has decided he wants a health kick after killing off a massive chunk of his population and voter base. Who has realised his obesity is what did him so much harm, he is a classic narcissist - the only way to get through to him is to make it affect him. |  |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:27 - Jul 14 with 1911 views | sparks |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 23:44 - Jul 13 by jeera |
I don't doubt that much either Matty.
And it still wont make me rush out and buy more stuff, but am happy to do my bit when I do go. |
I simply wont go to shops... I find the idea of masks really rather unpleasant on a number of levels, albeit I recognise the medical case for it. I am not going to wear one anymore than I have to- which means no shops for me. No great loss in the online age. |  |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:28 - Jul 14 with 1911 views | 26_Paz |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:23 - Jul 14 by Mullet |
The fact we see Johnson in a bright blue one plastered all over the media is very telling. This was after all the bloke who caught it after bragging about shaking hands and doing as he pleased in a hospital.
This is a bloke who has decided he wants a health kick after killing off a massive chunk of his population and voter base. Who has realised his obesity is what did him so much harm, he is a classic narcissist - the only way to get through to him is to make it affect him. |
Boris got just shy of 14 million votes in 2019 to jezza’s just over 10 million. Even if you assume all 60,000 odd excess deaths were of tories that is not a large chunk of his voter base. And you talk like he killed them himself rather than the deadly disease that has killed hundreds of thousands worldwide doing it ... |  |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:34 - Jul 14 with 1900 views | Mullet |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:28 - Jul 14 by 26_Paz |
Boris got just shy of 14 million votes in 2019 to jezza’s just over 10 million. Even if you assume all 60,000 odd excess deaths were of tories that is not a large chunk of his voter base. And you talk like he killed them himself rather than the deadly disease that has killed hundreds of thousands worldwide doing it ... |
60,000 is a large chunk of people - we're still at a plane crash per day in deaths. Frame it in those terms it's head line news for weeks.
Those people have families, had his negligence killed my loved one(s) and I had voted him in I'd be resentful to say the least. His actions caused deaths, preventable ones that is fairly conclusive. It's a matter of whether you can live with that or not. | |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:40 - Jul 14 with 1886 views | 26_Paz |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:34 - Jul 14 by Mullet |
60,000 is a large chunk of people - we're still at a plane crash per day in deaths. Frame it in those terms it's head line news for weeks.
Those people have families, had his negligence killed my loved one(s) and I had voted him in I'd be resentful to say the least. His actions caused deaths, preventable ones that is fairly conclusive. It's a matter of whether you can live with that or not. |
Mistakes have been made in the handling of this for sure ... an inquiry in the fullness of time will explore exactly what went wrong and what went right. It’s a devilish situation to manage. There will be some kind of inquiry as to why our numbers are worse than a lot of other countries ... government handling of the situation may be one factor. Age of population, density of population, general unfit nature of a lot of British people will be other factors ... | |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:45 - Jul 14 with 1872 views | Mullet |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:40 - Jul 14 by 26_Paz |
Mistakes have been made in the handling of this for sure ... an inquiry in the fullness of time will explore exactly what went wrong and what went right. It’s a devilish situation to manage. There will be some kind of inquiry as to why our numbers are worse than a lot of other countries ... government handling of the situation may be one factor. Age of population, density of population, general unfit nature of a lot of British people will be other factors ... |
Herd immunity, a refusal to accept responsibility, PPE, Barnard Castle, care homes etc. you can apologise and deflect all you like. You might get Hancock's job if you keep going a little more. | |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:50 - Jul 14 with 1851 views | footers |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:45 - Jul 14 by Mullet |
Herd immunity, a refusal to accept responsibility, PPE, Barnard Castle, care homes etc. you can apologise and deflect all you like. You might get Hancock's job if you keep going a little more. |
There's also about 52% of the country who are thick as pig sh1t and refuse to face facts when they're presented. But I'm sure it's not their fault. As usual. |  |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:50 - Jul 14 with 1851 views | itfcjoe |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:06 - Jul 14 by GlasgowBlue |
Why? There is no great effort in putting a piece of cloth over your face. |
I think it will, one shop insisted on wearing one when I was out on Sunday - it's a pain and not that comfortable, for someone wearing glasses guess even more so.
It was nice having a normal days shopping, now I won't bother to do that sort of trip, I'll pop in as and when I need things but won't be a browser or used as an activity for me as too much hassle with the kids |  |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:53 - Jul 14 with 1831 views | 26_Paz |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:45 - Jul 14 by Mullet |
Herd immunity, a refusal to accept responsibility, PPE, Barnard Castle, care homes etc. you can apologise and deflect all you like. You might get Hancock's job if you keep going a little more. |
Every country had issues with PPE. Whilst I agree discharging people into care homes was borderline insane it has to be looked at in the context of the time. There were genuine fears (that thankfully were never realised) that hospitals would be overwhelmed. One man driving to Barnard castle to protect his family will have no impact whatsoever on a pandemic of this scale. Questions to be answered and lessons to be learnt, yes, a scandal on the scale you are suggesting, I’m not sure. [Post edited 14 Jul 2020 8:54]
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 09:02 - Jul 14 with 1807 views | ellerblue |
Here in Germany the wearing of masks/ face coverings on public transport and all shops has been in force for about 3 months. simple put mask on before entering take off when leaving no mask no travel no mask no service this is in conjunction with social distancing, you do not have to wear in pubs but serving staff are obliged to wear face covering as also shop staff have to wear face covering |  |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 09:02 - Jul 14 with 1805 views | bluelagos |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:53 - Jul 14 by 26_Paz |
Every country had issues with PPE. Whilst I agree discharging people into care homes was borderline insane it has to be looked at in the context of the time. There were genuine fears (that thankfully were never realised) that hospitals would be overwhelmed. One man driving to Barnard castle to protect his family will have no impact whatsoever on a pandemic of this scale. Questions to be answered and lessons to be learnt, yes, a scandal on the scale you are suggesting, I’m not sure. [Post edited 14 Jul 2020 8:54]
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Given that over 20k old people died in care homes - I think the scale of the questions are rather large tbf. |  |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 09:30 - Jul 14 with 1764 views | JakeITFC |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 08:27 - Jul 14 by sparks |
I simply wont go to shops... I find the idea of masks really rather unpleasant on a number of levels, albeit I recognise the medical case for it. I am not going to wear one anymore than I have to- which means no shops for me. No great loss in the online age. |
I have got quite used to wearing one in shops now (despite having glasses which makes it tricky) and am over the initial discomfort - think you'd probably surprise yourself at how normal it becomes quite quickly.
I have also found that people have been more considerate of my presence and given more space whilst wearing the mask - hopefully that's another side effect of this legislation. |  | | |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 09:32 - Jul 14 with 1756 views | 26_Paz |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 09:30 - Jul 14 by JakeITFC |
I have got quite used to wearing one in shops now (despite having glasses which makes it tricky) and am over the initial discomfort - think you'd probably surprise yourself at how normal it becomes quite quickly.
I have also found that people have been more considerate of my presence and given more space whilst wearing the mask - hopefully that's another side effect of this legislation. |
I’ve been back on public transport for over a month now for work. Hated it at first but very used to it now ... hopefully people will adjust quite quickly | |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 09:33 - Jul 14 with 1753 views | bluelagos |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 09:30 - Jul 14 by JakeITFC |
I have got quite used to wearing one in shops now (despite having glasses which makes it tricky) and am over the initial discomfort - think you'd probably surprise yourself at how normal it becomes quite quickly.
I have also found that people have been more considerate of my presence and given more space whilst wearing the mask - hopefully that's another side effect of this legislation. |
Am not going to pretend I like I wearing one - but have used a bandana which I find preferable. | |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 09:34 - Jul 14 with 1753 views | sparks |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 09:30 - Jul 14 by JakeITFC |
I have got quite used to wearing one in shops now (despite having glasses which makes it tricky) and am over the initial discomfort - think you'd probably surprise yourself at how normal it becomes quite quickly.
I have also found that people have been more considerate of my presence and given more space whilst wearing the mask - hopefully that's another side effect of this legislation. |
Perhaps- though I hate the feel of anything around my ears. Have enough trouble getting glasses that I can wear for 10 minutes without wanting to throw them across the room.
My issue is not an altogether rational one- and I recognise that. Its not the discomfort- its the look and idea of covering one's mouth as if ashamed or embarrassed. I just instinctively don't like it. Dunno why. I always cringe when players or officials at football do that copvering their mouth thing to have a desperately important secret conversation. Really hate it. A psychologist could probably have a field day. | |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 10:40 - Jul 14 with 1703 views | stonojnr |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 00:40 - Jul 14 by DebsyAngel |
Thanks for understanding. That is the problem with invisible illnesses - nobody can see them and judge you because you don't "look ill". They cannot see the panic and turmoil going on inside my mind and body. And masks can be dangerous - some medical advisers have stated this - they can cause pleurisy and I had that last year and it took 10 months to recover from.
I have been doing my best, distancing from people, following arrows in supermarkets, using hand gel, wipes on baskets and handrails/escalators etc and wiping everything down once I am home. People cannot even follow "keep left" signs in town, just walking where they like. |
Well i'm asthmatic myself,so totally understand, and am feeling all the same stress/anxiety about this which actually makes it more likely now I'll have an asthma attack because increased stress is a known asthma trigger
and asthma kills people,its not like they show on the TV or movies where you just puff a blue inhaler & everything's fine,it kills 3 people per day on average in the UK.
So people saying oh what's the problem it's just a bit of cloth, well the problem is,if you have a medical condition that impacts your breathing,wearing any face covering makes you feel like you are suffocating, if you feel like you are suffocating it can trigger an asthma attack which can kill you. So yes it IS a big problem actually.
I've avoided public transport lately as I wanted to avoid the inevitable conflict and people judging me, I cant avoid shopping for food and will just have to put up with it, but inevitably there will be conflict,some security guard, bored pcso or busy body member of the public will no doubt lecture me, publically shame me,get needlessly aggressive about it.
but I will not return to the high street whilst being made to feel like I'm an outcast or a pariah because I cant breath properly. | | | |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 10:56 - Jul 14 with 1687 views | DebsyAngel |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 10:40 - Jul 14 by stonojnr |
Well i'm asthmatic myself,so totally understand, and am feeling all the same stress/anxiety about this which actually makes it more likely now I'll have an asthma attack because increased stress is a known asthma trigger
and asthma kills people,its not like they show on the TV or movies where you just puff a blue inhaler & everything's fine,it kills 3 people per day on average in the UK.
So people saying oh what's the problem it's just a bit of cloth, well the problem is,if you have a medical condition that impacts your breathing,wearing any face covering makes you feel like you are suffocating, if you feel like you are suffocating it can trigger an asthma attack which can kill you. So yes it IS a big problem actually.
I've avoided public transport lately as I wanted to avoid the inevitable conflict and people judging me, I cant avoid shopping for food and will just have to put up with it, but inevitably there will be conflict,some security guard, bored pcso or busy body member of the public will no doubt lecture me, publically shame me,get needlessly aggressive about it.
but I will not return to the high street whilst being made to feel like I'm an outcast or a pariah because I cant breath properly. |
Describes how I feel to a tee - I did wear a face covering on the bus about 3 weeks ago to town (so I could go to get my exemption card ironically as well as normal shopping) and just wearing it for 10-15 minutes was enough, I got off the bus and nearly fainted and was disorientated and frightened for the rest of my time up there. The man at the bus station for the card was really nice, he said he didn;t want to see any evidence I had asthma, but I did bring all my inhalers with me. But how do you prove anxiety to someone? I only go out once a week to town and force myself to as my mental health and anxiety have deteriorated dramatically over the last few weeks. Also some people could go and get exemption cards without any proof of genuinely needing one. I only use the bus once a week (I tend to walk home, but can't walk there and back as it leaves me exhausted and I have chronic fatigue).
We were told to go out more, to exercise, to get back to normal - this is not normal. I feel the rest of the year is over, and next year. I do not trust that a miraculous vaccine will ever come either. I cannot even go to my Doctor re my mental health as all they do is recommend antidepressants that I cannot take or a counsellor (which just does not work for me). I doubt too that I will ever get seen by ENT about my lump in my nose that makes it difficult to breathe too.
I just feel like giving up. May as well cancel my Season Ticket as I cannot see me getting to the matches if have to be suffocated through the whole experience. I know a lot of people think I am a hypocondriac - but a lot of my conditions have been worsened by anxiety and stress. |  | | |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 10:59 - Jul 14 with 1674 views | DebsyAngel |
Thanks for the links but why should anyone pay to prove they have an illness? Taking the pee in my opinion. | | | |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 11:02 - Jul 14 with 1661 views | giant_stow |
I seem to have a disability which will stop me being able to wear the normal mask.
This may be linked to having too many fingers, but the mask straps always fall off my ears - on further investigation, I seem to have unsually flacid ear lobes.
Can anyone reccomend a mask which ties around the back of the head please? |  |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 11:29 - Jul 14 with 1629 views | rgp1 |
Two questions , first of all banks are explicit that you must not cover your face whilst on the premises and secondly what constitutes a face covering? Is it a crash helmet or a gas mask for example. Could you walk into a shop with a stocking over your head? After all it is technically a face covering. | | | |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 11:48 - Jul 14 with 1598 views | WeWereZombies |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 10:59 - Jul 14 by DebsyAngel |
Thanks for the links but why should anyone pay to prove they have an illness? Taking the pee in my opinion. |
Would one of the clear plastic visor helmets be acceptable to you, although I am not sure if they count as an allowable face covering for public transport and shops?
[edit] There is a Scottish Government webpage that says, 'yes, visors are good too':
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-phase-3-staying-safe-and- [Post edited 14 Jul 2020 11:51]
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 11:50 - Jul 14 with 1590 views | DebsyAngel |
Don;t think these count as face coverings - they are more for shop staff etc. | | | |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 11:54 - Jul 14 with 1577 views | WeWereZombies |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 11:50 - Jul 14 by DebsyAngel |
Don;t think these count as face coverings - they are more for shop staff etc. |
Oh well, you could always move to Scotland. For sure, the weather is awful but we do still have a functioning health service... | |
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| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 12:24 - Jul 14 with 1520 views | GaryCooper |
| Masks required from 24th July in shops or a £100 fine on 11:02 - Jul 14 by giant_stow |
I seem to have a disability which will stop me being able to wear the normal mask.
This may be linked to having too many fingers, but the mask straps always fall off my ears - on further investigation, I seem to have unsually flacid ear lobes.
Can anyone reccomend a mask which ties around the back of the head please? |
Just go full Jesse James. |  | | |
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