| The war on waists.... 08:39 - Jul 27 with 9762 views | itfcjoe |
....and obesity
Sounds like big announcement from the Govt coming, as the Nanny State continues and Ed Miliband's 2015 manifesto continues to be implemented......
I struggle to see how it does anything more than just make junk food more expensive and punishes people without the money to afford to eat better when on the run.
I'm all up for creative suggestions as to how it doesn't, and think it is needed - but talk of banning of advertising is good, but no deals on junk food in supermarkets just hurts the wallets of those, often least able to afford it.
Obviously a much bigger scheme would be required, but I have Vitality Healthcare and have rewards for doing fitness activity in the week measured from fitness tracker etc. Something like that would be incredible, getting Britain moving and rewarding those who do, rather than just punishing everyone. |  |
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| The war on waists.... on 11:04 - Jul 27 with 5570 views | clive_baker |
| The war on waists.... on 10:44 - Jul 27 by StochesStotasBlewe |
9th January, 2020, my weight had gone up to 13 stone, 9 pounds. As a 5 foot, 7 inch tall bloke, it wasn't a good look. A combination of far too much alcohol, snacking on sh1te and cheap takeaways had made Pinewood a quite unhealthy chap, and rapidly approaching 60, needed to do urgently fix it.
A phone call to the local Slimming World group resulted in me joining the following week.
There are 40 folk in the group of various ages, sizes and male/female ratio is about 50/50.
During lockdown, the classes continued either via video meetings or by text, i chose the latter. It works. A bit of personal responsibility, coupled with the group meetings have made a massive difference to my eating habits, now eat more than i ever have done, still enjoy a drink, an occasional takeaway.
As of 7 am today, i weigh 11 stone on the dot. that was the target i set myself.
It,s not expensive to go, i believe GP,s can refer patients to the group and the cost is covered.
Not for everyone and it can come across a bit "preachy" at times, but one example of help out there that is available. Will be resuming classes later in August and am looking foward to returning, socially distanced of course. |
Good on you, man. |  |
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| The war on waists.... on 11:05 - Jul 27 with 5564 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| The war on waists.... on 11:04 - Jul 27 by clive_baker |
Good on you, man. |
Thank you  |  |
| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| The war on waists.... on 11:08 - Jul 27 with 5540 views | footers |
What do you think has been the biggest help there, dear chap? Is it the food planning, points system etc, or just the group camaraderie and encouragement? Or all of the above?
Mother is a Slimming World veteran and been going on and off for years... Plenty of frozen berries in the freezer! But I keep telling her that diet without exercise just ain't going to work. Especially if you're as lax with it as she is! |  |
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| The war on waists.... on 11:19 - Jul 27 with 5535 views | GeoffSentence |
| The war on waists.... on 08:55 - Jul 27 by bluelagos |
A quick look at how cities like Amsterdam and Copenhagen encourage cycling will give some ideas at how much more we can do to encourage healthy lifestyles.
Unfortunately the petty minded anti cyclist attitude of many car users is prevalent and anything that makes their journey times 2 minutes longer is seen as an imposition.
#reclaimthelanes |
I have accidentally stumbled on a whole bunch of youtube videos on what they are doing in Denmark and The Netherlands for cycling, and it is flipping marvellous.
What people miss is that improving cycling infrastructure and getting more people to cycle actually benefits all road users, including those who have to stay in their cars.
It has to be done properly though, those cycle lanes that are just lines painted in the road a re no good to anyone, and there is also a need for proper cycle parking too. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:25 - Jul 27 with 5517 views | Pinewoodblue |
| The war on waists.... on 08:59 - Jul 27 by itfcjoe |
They have recently been doing lots in Ipswich for cyclists but I just don't get the changes - protecting cycle lanes with cones along the main roads, narrowing the vehicle part which they spent months doing at no doubt great cost.....but so much being done on the by pass which is almost by definition the route that cyclists won't take as is not at all direct!
Needs to be more than just cycle lanes though, people poodling about on bikes through cities doesn't do much for fitness surely?
Subsidised gym memberships as long as they are used - Govt contribute £3 a visit up to a limit of £30 per person against their membership - so real incentive to actually go and use it as can become almost free |
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| The war on waists.... on 11:28 - Jul 27 with 5510 views | linhdi |
| The war on waists.... on 11:19 - Jul 27 by GeoffSentence |
I have accidentally stumbled on a whole bunch of youtube videos on what they are doing in Denmark and The Netherlands for cycling, and it is flipping marvellous.
What people miss is that improving cycling infrastructure and getting more people to cycle actually benefits all road users, including those who have to stay in their cars.
It has to be done properly though, those cycle lanes that are just lines painted in the road a re no good to anyone, and there is also a need for proper cycle parking too. |
A NL / DK approach to cycle infrastructure would transform our society. It won't happen because the road is so powerful.
Re weight. There's a simple solution. Offer anyone a free weigh-in at their GP surgery. Give them a target weight for 3 month's time. Cash prize of £50 for hitting target weight. Reset target, and weigh in 3 month's time (etc). For avoidance of doubt, target weight could be exactly the same (so skinny Herberts aren't left out). |  | | |
| The war on waists.... on 11:36 - Jul 27 with 5489 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| The war on waists.... on 11:08 - Jul 27 by footers |
What do you think has been the biggest help there, dear chap? Is it the food planning, points system etc, or just the group camaraderie and encouragement? Or all of the above?
Mother is a Slimming World veteran and been going on and off for years... Plenty of frozen berries in the freezer! But I keep telling her that diet without exercise just ain't going to work. Especially if you're as lax with it as she is! |
Morning dear boy.
Food planning the first 6 weeks was really important, stuck to it religiously tbh. The hardest part for me personally was admitting to myself that i needed help to lose weight and adopt a healthier eating regime (and a few digs from Mrs Pinewood).
Was apprehensive going along to the first meeting. Found the camaraderie and being in the group very helpful. There are a couple of folk there who are quite inspirational and have lost a shed load of weight.
First week lost 5 pounds and equated that to 2 bags of sugar or an average sized carp at my local fishing lakes. that was a really big incentive to carry on.
Fortunately, have a fairly physical occupation, so exercise is part of my everyday routine.
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| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| The war on waists.... on 11:50 - Jul 27 with 5477 views | textbackup |
Lazy bone idol people will also find an excuse whatever the government do to help.
Eating healthy doesn’t cost more, a degree of pre planning and willingness is needed tho. |  |
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| The war on waists.... on 11:58 - Jul 27 with 5450 views | hampstead_blue |
Teach up to date home economics at school but for EVERYONE.
What topics are ubiquitous these days?
I love cooking and got that from my mum and father who had an allotment. It's something you get at an early age.
The taste of fresh veg is something I love. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| The war on waists.... on 12:00 - Jul 27 with 5450 views | Ryorry |
Big announcement that came about 4 months later than it should have done.
Appreciate busy people are pushed for time to make things from scratch, but plenty of healthy "instant" meals such as Falafels are readily available from supermarkets now (if you have the cash, they are more expensive, but then so is beer nowadays). And it doesn't take long to snatch an apple or peel a banana.
And basically, the old adage "eat less, move more" still applies! |  |
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| The war on waists.... on 12:03 - Jul 27 with 5435 views | Ryorry |
| The war on waists.... on 11:58 - Jul 27 by hampstead_blue |
Teach up to date home economics at school but for EVERYONE.
What topics are ubiquitous these days?
I love cooking and got that from my mum and father who had an allotment. It's something you get at an early age.
The taste of fresh veg is something I love. |
Is sport still part of the school curriculum too? That (and/or dance for fitness) also needs to be ingrained from an early age. | |
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| The war on waists.... on 12:07 - Jul 27 with 5424 views | hampstead_blue |
| The war on waists.... on 12:03 - Jul 27 by Ryorry |
Is sport still part of the school curriculum too? That (and/or dance for fitness) also needs to be ingrained from an early age. |
Not sure. My eldest left a while back and youngest has a way to go.
The curriculum has got to be changed.
We have a skate park near us. Our youngest loves it on his scooter. There is a group of youngsters, 13 years old. All the time they are chugging cans of Monster drinks. They are off their nuts!
How on earth does this stuff get on the shelves......
At that age it was 10 B&H and a bottle of Red/Blue Thunderbird.
Clearly the yoof of today have no class. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| The war on waists.... on 12:07 - Jul 27 with 5418 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The war on waists.... on 10:44 - Jul 27 by StochesStotasBlewe |
9th January, 2020, my weight had gone up to 13 stone, 9 pounds. As a 5 foot, 7 inch tall bloke, it wasn't a good look. A combination of far too much alcohol, snacking on sh1te and cheap takeaways had made Pinewood a quite unhealthy chap, and rapidly approaching 60, needed to do urgently fix it.
A phone call to the local Slimming World group resulted in me joining the following week.
There are 40 folk in the group of various ages, sizes and male/female ratio is about 50/50.
During lockdown, the classes continued either via video meetings or by text, i chose the latter. It works. A bit of personal responsibility, coupled with the group meetings have made a massive difference to my eating habits, now eat more than i ever have done, still enjoy a drink, an occasional takeaway.
As of 7 am today, i weigh 11 stone on the dot. that was the target i set myself.
It,s not expensive to go, i believe GP,s can refer patients to the group and the cost is covered.
Not for everyone and it can come across a bit "preachy" at times, but one example of help out there that is available. Will be resuming classes later in August and am looking foward to returning, socially distanced of course. |
Well done mate, |  |
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| The war on waists.... on 12:08 - Jul 27 with 5413 views | clive_baker |
| The war on waists.... on 12:00 - Jul 27 by Ryorry |
Big announcement that came about 4 months later than it should have done.
Appreciate busy people are pushed for time to make things from scratch, but plenty of healthy "instant" meals such as Falafels are readily available from supermarkets now (if you have the cash, they are more expensive, but then so is beer nowadays). And it doesn't take long to snatch an apple or peel a banana.
And basically, the old adage "eat less, move more" still applies! |
You can't get sh1t faced on falafel though, to be fair. | |
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| The war on waists.... on 12:09 - Jul 27 with 5397 views | footers |
| The war on waists.... on 12:08 - Jul 27 by clive_baker |
You can't get sh1t faced on falafel though, to be fair. |
Spotted a gap in the market there. | |
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| The war on waists.... on 12:26 - Jul 27 with 5372 views | Libero |
| The war on waists.... on 12:08 - Jul 27 by clive_baker |
You can't get sh1t faced on falafel though, to be fair. |
Challenge accepted. |  | | |
| The war on waists.... on 12:33 - Jul 27 with 5357 views | Ryorry |
| The war on waists.... on 12:26 - Jul 27 by Libero |
Challenge accepted. |
You need to use organic chickpeas for sprouting to take place - the ordinary ones are sprayed with some kind of inhibitor, & I'm thinking the same probably applies to the fermentation process | |
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| The war on waists.... on 13:12 - Jul 27 with 5296 views | thatdamgood89 |
It's a step
A step is a movement
Movement burns calories
Anyone? |  |
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| The war on waists.... on 17:09 - Jul 27 with 5211 views | J2BLUE |
There should be a one hour class per week on nutrition. Occasionally someone I know will come out with something that makes me question how much the average person knows about basic nutrition. One of my mates though cheese (cheddar) was high carb. Another asked, when I said I was having baby corn as part of my dinner, why I didn't just eat adult corn (there was absolutely no sign this was a joke).
If I could give overweight people one tip it would be to research energy density. I know that sounds incredibly obvious; you will gain more weight eating a big mac over your maintenance calories per day than you would eating the equivalent weight of strawberries but once you really start to research the topic it's extremely interesting. Studies have shown the vast majority of humans eat 3-4 pounds of food per day. You can imagine the difference between someone who has 4 pounds of wholefoods complete with water/fibre etc versus someone who lives on pop tarts, chocolate, pastries, pizza and energy drinks.
There is rightfully a huge focus on fruit and vegetables but it needs to be made crystal clear after the low carb era muddied the waters that things like potatoes are not fattening. In one study they tested foods for satiety and boiled potatoes were the number one food for filling power per calorie. Things like soups (even smooth soups) have been shown to have a very filling effect.
I have literally built my diet around this concept. I believe it answers why people are a lot fatter now than they used to be. People are eating roughly the same weight of food but it's now much more junk food based than in the past. We now have access to hyper palatable food 24/7 that has been refined, stripped of its water and fibre and then spiked with extra sugar and/or fat.
I feel like the government could do a lot worse than just giving people a long list of foods where they can eat as much as they want. Foods under 500 calories per pound. Then they could create a website full of recipes based on these foods. Most people would naturally feel satisfied at that point having consumed 2000 calories or less. You might find the odd extreme example of someone who is 500 pounds who eats more but even if they ate 6 pounds they are going to be dropping a lot of weight at that size. |  |
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| The war on waists.... on 20:37 - Jul 27 with 5129 views | stonojnr |
| The war on waists.... on 08:59 - Jul 27 by itfcjoe |
They have recently been doing lots in Ipswich for cyclists but I just don't get the changes - protecting cycle lanes with cones along the main roads, narrowing the vehicle part which they spent months doing at no doubt great cost.....but so much being done on the by pass which is almost by definition the route that cyclists won't take as is not at all direct!
Needs to be more than just cycle lanes though, people poodling about on bikes through cities doesn't do much for fitness surely?
Subsidised gym memberships as long as they are used - Govt contribute £3 a visit up to a limit of £30 per person against their membership - so real incentive to actually go and use it as can become almost free |
the bollards give the cycle lane protection so you are guaranteed a minimum safe passing distance, something that vehicles often find incapable of doing properly, which enables less confident cyclists onto the road as they feel safer.
now whether the bypass is or not a direct route is debateable, its definitely a commuting route for cyclists across that side of town and links up as an outer ring route with the minor roads as spokes into town. the issue with cycling thru town is inevitably you end up on the one way system round the docks, or Crown street, all heavy traffic, all stop/start, pretty hostile to cycling.
so does people poodling about on bikes through cities do anything for fitness, well it does more than driving around with a car does, it builds cardiovascular fitness,you feel better, it wont build great deals of muscles (except in your legs) like a gym weight lifting session does, and youll be unlikely to lose stacks of weight because you dont burn calories as much riding as you do running, but its better than sitting on a couch, and you might find poodling about leads to poodling further getting out of the city and enjoying the countryside. | | | |
| The war on waists.... on 05:47 - Jul 28 with 5047 views | Ryorry |
| The war on waists.... on 17:09 - Jul 27 by J2BLUE |
There should be a one hour class per week on nutrition. Occasionally someone I know will come out with something that makes me question how much the average person knows about basic nutrition. One of my mates though cheese (cheddar) was high carb. Another asked, when I said I was having baby corn as part of my dinner, why I didn't just eat adult corn (there was absolutely no sign this was a joke).
If I could give overweight people one tip it would be to research energy density. I know that sounds incredibly obvious; you will gain more weight eating a big mac over your maintenance calories per day than you would eating the equivalent weight of strawberries but once you really start to research the topic it's extremely interesting. Studies have shown the vast majority of humans eat 3-4 pounds of food per day. You can imagine the difference between someone who has 4 pounds of wholefoods complete with water/fibre etc versus someone who lives on pop tarts, chocolate, pastries, pizza and energy drinks.
There is rightfully a huge focus on fruit and vegetables but it needs to be made crystal clear after the low carb era muddied the waters that things like potatoes are not fattening. In one study they tested foods for satiety and boiled potatoes were the number one food for filling power per calorie. Things like soups (even smooth soups) have been shown to have a very filling effect.
I have literally built my diet around this concept. I believe it answers why people are a lot fatter now than they used to be. People are eating roughly the same weight of food but it's now much more junk food based than in the past. We now have access to hyper palatable food 24/7 that has been refined, stripped of its water and fibre and then spiked with extra sugar and/or fat.
I feel like the government could do a lot worse than just giving people a long list of foods where they can eat as much as they want. Foods under 500 calories per pound. Then they could create a website full of recipes based on these foods. Most people would naturally feel satisfied at that point having consumed 2000 calories or less. You might find the odd extreme example of someone who is 500 pounds who eats more but even if they ate 6 pounds they are going to be dropping a lot of weight at that size. |
Thought I was fairly well informed re nutrition & diet, but there's stuff there I knew zilch about, and you make a really good case for your strategies.
I know you were thinking about alternative careers. If you were to go get some qualifications - if you don't already have - via accredited course/s (which could be done online), I think you could have a very good career ahead of you in that field. [Post edited 28 Jul 2020 5:49]
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| The war on waists.... on 08:16 - Jul 28 with 5003 views | Plums |
| The war on waists.... on 09:44 - Jul 27 by clive_baker |
In the context of the NHS £100m is peanuts. It's about 6 hours of cost. That's not to say I disagree with the principle.
FWIW anything that incentives people to opt for a healthier alternative is a good intervention for me, in the same respect advertising fags in sport is now banned I don't see why a Big Mac that's proven to increase our risk of heart disease and stroke should be treated any different. Tax the crap out of it. The extent to which some people consume highly unhealthy options is scary. I think there should be a greater emphasis on it in schools tbh. The curriculum in schools is antiquated, I would like to see much more learning on the risks of poor lifestyle choices to fully equip children to make better choices.
I'm surprised the govt. is too bothered given we're already starting into the barrel of an unsustainable ageing population which will be costly to support without a sufficient level of labour market participation and tax revenues from the working population. |
Hard to disagree with this. If the maths curriculum was used to highlight calorie intake vs output in various ways over a child’s schooling, it would sink in much more than a preachy couple of lessons on nutrition sneaked in when SATs allows time. |  |
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| The war on waists.... on 09:50 - Jul 28 with 4975 views | emmaroyds |
I've just bought a new bike to go to work on and now I'm hearing that Doctors will be able prescribe them.
This can't be true can it? | | | |
| The war on waists.... on 09:56 - Jul 28 with 4973 views | DanTheMan |
| The war on waists.... on 09:50 - Jul 28 by emmaroyds |
I've just bought a new bike to go to work on and now I'm hearing that Doctors will be able prescribe them.
This can't be true can it? |
I believe it is only for a limited time. That said, given the cost would be fairly minimal, I can't really see what is wrong with the scheme.
What is interesting to me is that this actually seems to have been coming for quite a while, it isn't new.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/08/bikes-prescribed-nhs-first-time-atte |  |
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| The war on waists.... on 10:08 - Jul 28 with 4951 views | Darth_Koont |
| The war on waists.... on 08:16 - Jul 28 by Plums |
Hard to disagree with this. If the maths curriculum was used to highlight calorie intake vs output in various ways over a child’s schooling, it would sink in much more than a preachy couple of lessons on nutrition sneaked in when SATs allows time. |
In fact the reverse.
In maths classes, healthy eating was always portrayed as a complicated and potentially quarrelsome redistribution among those we thought were our friends.
You can shove your 7 apples where the sun don't shine, Jack. |  |
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