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Tory London Mayor candidate 22:18 - Jan 13 with 6983 viewstractordownsouth

... thinks that homeless people can afford a 5k deposit. EVen by today's standards, that's the most tone deaf political statement I've seen in a while.


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/13/tory-london-mayor-candidate-home

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:34 - Jan 16 with 375 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:32 - Jan 16 by Clapham_Junction

Part of me is amazed he's on 28%. He's so appalling I struggle to see why anyone would vote for him - I assume any vaguely sensible Tory would probably vote for the Lib Dem candidate. From a local Facebook group, the only people I can see supporting him are people 60+ who are only capable of parroting tabloid headlines and insults about Sadiq Khan.


I may vote UKIP ... if only for their candidates name!
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:35 - Jan 16 with 396 viewstractordownsouth

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:32 - Jan 16 by Clapham_Junction

Part of me is amazed he's on 28%. He's so appalling I struggle to see why anyone would vote for him - I assume any vaguely sensible Tory would probably vote for the Lib Dem candidate. From a local Facebook group, the only people I can see supporting him are people 60+ who are only capable of parroting tabloid headlines and insults about Sadiq Khan.


Those on social media who are most furious about Khan like to moan about how London is full of out of touch liberal elites whilst simultanouesly making the claim that he's turning the place into a "third world city."

Even before getting into the racism, it's an utterly ludicrous statement.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:43 - Jan 16 with 374 viewsClapham_Junction

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:35 - Jan 16 by tractordownsouth

Those on social media who are most furious about Khan like to moan about how London is full of out of touch liberal elites whilst simultanouesly making the claim that he's turning the place into a "third world city."

Even before getting into the racism, it's an utterly ludicrous statement.


My experience is that much of the ire towards Khan is simply racism or islamophobia. The cleaner in my office hates him because he 'only does stuff for Muslims' - where does she pick stuff like this up?
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:44 - Jan 16 with 371 viewsfooters

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:35 - Jan 16 by tractordownsouth

Those on social media who are most furious about Khan like to moan about how London is full of out of touch liberal elites whilst simultanouesly making the claim that he's turning the place into a "third world city."

Even before getting into the racism, it's an utterly ludicrous statement.


And most of them haven't been to London since the 70s anyway.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:49 - Jan 16 with 359 viewstractordownsouth

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:44 - Jan 16 by footers

And most of them haven't been to London since the 70s anyway.


Apart from when they go to Millwall matches

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:51 - Jan 16 with 353 viewsfooters

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:49 - Jan 16 by tractordownsouth

Apart from when they go to Millwall matches


My family are very much like that. Proper Suffolk folk who rarely go outside the county and only go to London for West End shows. But they delight in telling me what an awful place it is and how I must be on the look out for Muslim extremists etc. Where they get this information I have no idea, but it's depressing.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:54 - Jan 16 with 347 viewsNewcyBlue

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:34 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

I may vote UKIP ... if only for their candidates name!


It’s allowing the easily led, and the stupid to vote that got us into the mess we are in now...

If ever there was a statement to prove the above point, yours is it. Plus your love for the little blonde buffoon. Who I wouldn’t urinate on if he were on fire.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:56 - Jan 16 with 343 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:51 - Jan 16 by footers

My family are very much like that. Proper Suffolk folk who rarely go outside the county and only go to London for West End shows. But they delight in telling me what an awful place it is and how I must be on the look out for Muslim extremists etc. Where they get this information I have no idea, but it's depressing.


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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:56 - Jan 16 with 342 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:34 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

I may vote UKIP ... if only for their candidates name!


Hmmm. Only for that reason? Chinny reckon!

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:00 - Jan 16 with 322 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:54 - Jan 16 by NewcyBlue

It’s allowing the easily led, and the stupid to vote that got us into the mess we are in now...

If ever there was a statement to prove the above point, yours is it. Plus your love for the little blonde buffoon. Who I wouldn’t urinate on if he were on fire.


I thought it was fairly clear that was a joke based on the fact he is called gammon!
I’ll be voting Tory.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:01 - Jan 16 with 327 viewsNewcyBlue

Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:00 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

I thought it was fairly clear that was a joke based on the fact he is called gammon!
I’ll be voting Tory.


UKIP/Tory... two cheeks of the same arse innit.

Although I would say both are more what comes out the hole rather than being a cheek.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:01 - Jan 16 with 325 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:00 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

I thought it was fairly clear that was a joke based on the fact he is called gammon!
I’ll be voting Tory.


Care to say why?

Big fan of massive levels of bigotry, corruption and ineptitude are we?

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:13 - Jan 16 with 304 viewspinewoodblueboy

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:11 - Jan 16 by footers

I'll do it for a tenner.


Oi, that’s undercutting me by 50p and a tin of special brew.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:40 - Jan 16 with 284 viewsHerbivore

Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:01 - Jan 16 by SpruceMoose

Care to say why?

Big fan of massive levels of bigotry, corruption and ineptitude are we?


I think anyone that would still vote Tory after the levels of incompetence, corruption and general nastiness that they've shown really needs to have a word with themselves.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:42 - Jan 16 with 280 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:40 - Jan 16 by Herbivore

I think anyone that would still vote Tory after the levels of incompetence, corruption and general nastiness that they've shown really needs to have a word with themselves.


It's fairly obvious that the Conservatives are giving some voters like Paz exactly what they want. He's loving all this.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:53 - Jan 16 with 259 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:01 - Jan 16 by SpruceMoose

Care to say why?

Big fan of massive levels of bigotry, corruption and ineptitude are we?


Don’t like khan’s plans to expand congestion charge and he has absolutely failed on crime. London policing is in a terrible state.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:59 - Jan 16 with 246 viewsNewcyBlue

Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:53 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

Don’t like khan’s plans to expand congestion charge and he has absolutely failed on crime. London policing is in a terrible state.


https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/jeremy-corbyn-is-right-the-tories-have-c

Yeah, Khan is the problem....

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:01 - Jan 16 with 241 viewsStokieBlue

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:10 - Jan 16 by Durovigutum

I've been busy working. Very right wing capitalist of me, sorry.

My politics - fully paid up member of the Liberal Democrats. Economically slightly right of centre (save then spend, prudence, live within your means, give away part of what you earn to those poorer than you), socially slightly left of centre (look after the poor and marginalised, protect the weak, defend justice (legal and social), allow personal wealth but realise the pie is only so big and the more you have the less is left for everyone else, protect freedom).

The Lib Dems nationally aren't doing this, but they are closer than the other two parties. Locally however they are, we live is a super safe Tory seat but the three local councillors are Lib Dem because they are local, hard working, really involved and will do anything for the people of the town (up at 3AM recently filling sand bags to stem the floods).

What worries me most at the moment is that real minority views are being "normalised" and "condoned". The view that "I can do it because everyone else is doing it" and because you are in an echo chamber and there is no community check and balance (eg normal people). The lockdowns have undoubtedly made this worse - I was banned from a "late capitalism" forum earlier this week for suggesting that hard left and hard right are so similar they are like a horseshoe where the top almost touches (more or less that statement word for word). Banned for a "childish and immature" view.

My hope is that the "old fashioned" virtues of politeness, helpfulness and civility will win through in the end - I consider that most people have these at their core, it's just that "most" seems to be declining.


That's all very nice.

I'm not sure how any of that is relevant to my point about opinions needing to be rooted in evidence though.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:02 - Jan 16 with 233 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:59 - Jan 16 by NewcyBlue

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/jeremy-corbyn-is-right-the-tories-have-c

Yeah, Khan is the problem....


Well, he is responsible for policing in London so, yeah, he kind of is the problem on this one!
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:04 - Jan 16 with 230 viewstractordownsouth

Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:02 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

Well, he is responsible for policing in London so, yeah, he kind of is the problem on this one!


National crime rates have gone through through the roof, sadly. Khan bears some responsibility, but the increase in London is below the increase in most areas, and there's one common denominator between all of these. Crime always goes up under Tory governments.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:06 - Jan 16 with 226 viewsfooters

Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:02 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

Well, he is responsible for policing in London so, yeah, he kind of is the problem on this one!


The majority of funding for the Met comes from central government. Remember Theresa May berating the police union? Probably not.

Anyway, you can be angry at 'boris' and his predecessors now instead. Maybe take it up with your party.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:07 - Jan 16 with 222 viewsNewcyBlue

Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:02 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

Well, he is responsible for policing in London so, yeah, he kind of is the problem on this one!


Nothing to do with the fact that the Tories have cut over 21000 police officers in England and Wales?

Nothing to do with the chronic underfunding of public services?

Just point at the brown man and say “him”...

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:14 - Jan 16 with 194 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:02 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

Well, he is responsible for policing in London so, yeah, he kind of is the problem on this one!


I don't wish to be rude but it's hard to disagree with the trope that the right tends to appeal to thickies.

Have a think about this. Where does most of the Met budget come from, which party has been defunding the police for a decade, and who did you vote for? Answers on a postcard (because I feel an envelope might be too hard for you to manage).

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:15 - Jan 16 with 183 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 15:59 - Jan 16 by NewcyBlue

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/jeremy-corbyn-is-right-the-tories-have-c

Yeah, Khan is the problem....


More accurately, his Brown-ness is the real problem for some.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:17 - Jan 16 with 177 viewsHerbivore

Tory London Mayor candidate on 16:14 - Jan 16 by SpruceMoose

I don't wish to be rude but it's hard to disagree with the trope that the right tends to appeal to thickies.

Have a think about this. Where does most of the Met budget come from, which party has been defunding the police for a decade, and who did you vote for? Answers on a postcard (because I feel an envelope might be too hard for you to manage).


It's not just cuts to police either. Cuts to local council budgets have meant things like youth and community work have been cut to the bone, they don't really exist at all in some areas anymore.

If Paz genuinely cared about crime in London he'd be seething at the Tories for what a decade of Tory rule and Tory cuts has caused, but that would require actually giving it some thought. Much easier to point at the Muslim and say it's all his fault.

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