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Tory London Mayor candidate 22:18 - Jan 13 with 6982 viewstractordownsouth

... thinks that homeless people can afford a 5k deposit. EVen by today's standards, that's the most tone deaf political statement I've seen in a while.


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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:03 - Jan 16 with 309 viewsHerbivore

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:01 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

It was Seablu who called me the pond cleaner. Spruce was encouraging him.
Do you have a pond?


Are you looking for work?

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:05 - Jan 16 with 287 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:03 - Jan 16 by Herbivore

Are you looking for work?


Would you like it cleaned?
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:09 - Jan 16 with 288 viewsHerbivore

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:05 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

Would you like it cleaned?


I don't have a pond I'm afraid, and I probably wouldn't want to give you the business if I did.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:10 - Jan 16 with 286 viewstractordownsouth

Tory London Mayor candidate on 13:10 - Jan 16 by J2BLUE

It does but that was an act of deception really. He spent a long time creating his public perception. The veil has well and truly slipped now.


And Labour didn't put up a particularly good candidate in 2008 or 2012.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:10 - Jan 16 with 282 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:01 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

It was Seablu who called me the pond cleaner. Spruce was encouraging him.
Do you have a pond?


Actually he was saying you were some creature living in the pond, I think.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:10 - Jan 16 with 276 viewsDurovigutum

Tory London Mayor candidate on 09:48 - Jan 16 by StokieBlue

The issue with this entire post is it assumes that having a view is enough to make it valid and correct.

Unfortunately that is not the case but a myth perpetuated by those with pretty unsavoury views who don't want to engage in the evidence around that viewpoint.

If someone is willing to put forward their view they should be able to defend it when presented with evidence which shows it to be inaccurate. If they can't defend it then a sensible person would modified their position rather than ignoring the evidence and repeating said views at the next opportunity.

SB


I've been busy working. Very right wing capitalist of me, sorry.

My politics - fully paid up member of the Liberal Democrats. Economically slightly right of centre (save then spend, prudence, live within your means, give away part of what you earn to those poorer than you), socially slightly left of centre (look after the poor and marginalised, protect the weak, defend justice (legal and social), allow personal wealth but realise the pie is only so big and the more you have the less is left for everyone else, protect freedom).

The Lib Dems nationally aren't doing this, but they are closer than the other two parties. Locally however they are, we live is a super safe Tory seat but the three local councillors are Lib Dem because they are local, hard working, really involved and will do anything for the people of the town (up at 3AM recently filling sand bags to stem the floods).

What worries me most at the moment is that real minority views are being "normalised" and "condoned". The view that "I can do it because everyone else is doing it" and because you are in an echo chamber and there is no community check and balance (eg normal people). The lockdowns have undoubtedly made this worse - I was banned from a "late capitalism" forum earlier this week for suggesting that hard left and hard right are so similar they are like a horseshoe where the top almost touches (more or less that statement word for word). Banned for a "childish and immature" view.

My hope is that the "old fashioned" virtues of politeness, helpfulness and civility will win through in the end - I consider that most people have these at their core, it's just that "most" seems to be declining.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:11 - Jan 16 with 264 viewsfooters

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:09 - Jan 16 by Herbivore

I don't have a pond I'm afraid, and I probably wouldn't want to give you the business if I did.


I'll do it for a tenner.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:11 - Jan 16 with 246 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:10 - Jan 16 by SpruceMoose

Actually he was saying you were some creature living in the pond, I think.


Do you have a pond?
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:12 - Jan 16 with 258 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:11 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

Do you have a pond?


Does a pool count?

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:14 - Jan 16 with 232 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:12 - Jan 16 by SpruceMoose

Does a pool count?


Erm ... I guess I could diversify
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:14 - Jan 16 with 243 viewsfooters

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:10 - Jan 16 by Durovigutum

I've been busy working. Very right wing capitalist of me, sorry.

My politics - fully paid up member of the Liberal Democrats. Economically slightly right of centre (save then spend, prudence, live within your means, give away part of what you earn to those poorer than you), socially slightly left of centre (look after the poor and marginalised, protect the weak, defend justice (legal and social), allow personal wealth but realise the pie is only so big and the more you have the less is left for everyone else, protect freedom).

The Lib Dems nationally aren't doing this, but they are closer than the other two parties. Locally however they are, we live is a super safe Tory seat but the three local councillors are Lib Dem because they are local, hard working, really involved and will do anything for the people of the town (up at 3AM recently filling sand bags to stem the floods).

What worries me most at the moment is that real minority views are being "normalised" and "condoned". The view that "I can do it because everyone else is doing it" and because you are in an echo chamber and there is no community check and balance (eg normal people). The lockdowns have undoubtedly made this worse - I was banned from a "late capitalism" forum earlier this week for suggesting that hard left and hard right are so similar they are like a horseshoe where the top almost touches (more or less that statement word for word). Banned for a "childish and immature" view.

My hope is that the "old fashioned" virtues of politeness, helpfulness and civility will win through in the end - I consider that most people have these at their core, it's just that "most" seems to be declining.


That's a whole lot of effort for a whole lot of nothing.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:16 - Jan 16 with 237 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:14 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

Erm ... I guess I could diversify


I really think you misunderstood Seablu's quip.

You aren't the cleaner. You're the stuff needing to be cleaned.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:17 - Jan 16 with 233 viewsNewcyBlue

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:10 - Jan 16 by SpruceMoose

Actually he was saying you were some creature living in the pond, I think.


Proof, if ever needed, that Pazzers and context have never met.

I also took it to mean that Pazzers was pond life, rather than the cleaner.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:17 - Jan 16 with 223 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:16 - Jan 16 by SpruceMoose

I really think you misunderstood Seablu's quip.

You aren't the cleaner. You're the stuff needing to be cleaned.


I would not clean your pond or pool anyway.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:18 - Jan 16 with 229 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:17 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

I would not clean your pond or pool anyway.


Too right. I don't employ wrong 'uns. Your type aren't welcome in New York anyway!

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:19 - Jan 16 with 229 viewsBlueBadger

Tory London Mayor candidate on 13:13 - Jan 16 by SpruceMoose

Some idiots still believe it though. They went all in on a shambling sociopathic liar. They've been well and truly mugged off to such an extent that they'll never admit it now, hence the doubling down.

The one thing he does have going for him in their eyes is his willingness to hurt the people they like to see hurt though.


Woah, woah, woah. No abusive terms here.

'Bum boy' or 'picaninny' are Accepted Terms.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:21 - Jan 16 with 220 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:19 - Jan 16 by BlueBadger

Woah, woah, woah. No abusive terms here.

'Bum boy' or 'picaninny' are Accepted Terms.


Phil had better watch out too, considering the relaxed position on assaulting journalists some of this parish have adopted!

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:21 - Jan 16 with 210 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:17 - Jan 16 by NewcyBlue

Proof, if ever needed, that Pazzers and context have never met.

I also took it to mean that Pazzers was pond life, rather than the cleaner.


What a very nice chap that shows him to be
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:22 - Jan 16 with 215 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:21 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

What a very nice chap that shows him to be


I think you meant to type 'astute' where you typed 'very nice'!

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:23 - Jan 16 with 207 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:21 - Jan 16 by SpruceMoose

Phil had better watch out too, considering the relaxed position on assaulting journalists some of this parish have adopted!


What are you talking about now? I have never assaulted anyone, journalist or otherwise
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:24 - Jan 16 with 204 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:22 - Jan 16 by SpruceMoose

I think you meant to type 'astute' where you typed 'very nice'!


Or maybe I meant abusive
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:24 - Jan 16 with 209 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:23 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

What are you talking about now? I have never assaulted anyone, journalist or otherwise


You have by proxy.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:25 - Jan 16 with 201 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:24 - Jan 16 by SpruceMoose

You have by proxy.


That’s a ridiculous thing to say
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:29 - Jan 16 with 199 viewsSpruceMoose

Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:25 - Jan 16 by 26_Paz

That’s a ridiculous thing to say


Is it? Supporting someone signals that you condone their conduct. Especially when there's a refusal to hold them to account for their bad behaviour.

You'd hold Corbyn supporters to this standard, I presume?

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 14:32 - Jan 16 with 196 viewsClapham_Junction

Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:58 - Jan 16 by tractordownsouth



Part of me is amazed he's on 28%. He's so appalling I struggle to see why anyone would vote for him - I assume any vaguely sensible Tory would probably vote for the Lib Dem candidate. From a local Facebook group, the only people I can see supporting him are people 60+ who are only capable of parroting tabloid headlines and insults about Sadiq Khan.
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