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Tory London Mayor candidate 22:18 - Jan 13 with 7034 viewstractordownsouth

... thinks that homeless people can afford a 5k deposit. EVen by today's standards, that's the most tone deaf political statement I've seen in a while.


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Tory London Mayor candidate on 08:58 - Jan 14 with 654 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 08:23 - Jan 14 by Herbivore

So your two contributions to the thread are that the headline is misleading and it doesn't matter what he said anyway. Great input as ever, Paz. Not a word pointing out what a total berk he is for thinking a homeless family in London can pull together a £5k deposit. Amazing stuff.

Fornicate this Tory government, and fornicate anyone who was stupid enough to vote for this bunch of sociopathic charlatans.


The headline is misleading and it doesn’t matter anyway as he’s not going to win.
I’m not sure what part of that you find so offensive
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A full proportion of people could on 09:06 - Jan 14 with 644 viewsPendejo

Tory London Mayor candidate on 22:27 - Jan 13 by footers

Pressed by the interviewer on whether he was suggesting a homeless family in bed and breakfast accommodation could afford a deposit, Bailey replied: “Not all of them, but some people could. A full proportion of people could.”


What does that even mean?

With 62,670 people estimated as homeless, does he mean 1% could afford a £5k deposit? Maybe they can, but with the average price of a house in London being over £500k* - then if they can afford the deposit, £100k mortgage and pay rent on the proportion they don't own... Then are they perhaps intentionally homeless? Maybe this is the next chumocracy scam?

20 years ago when I was homeless, I didn't often have £25 to go to football let alone rustle up £5k

Alternatively they expect people to borrow the £5k?

Londoners, afterall, seem to swim in debt. If it ain't the house it's a car, it's the only way to explain some of the cars where I live.

* (source https://www.housebeautiful.com/uk/lifestyle/property/a26312929/house-price-index

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 09:12 - Jan 14 with 628 viewsfooters

Tory London Mayor candidate on 08:58 - Jan 14 by 26_Paz

The headline is misleading and it doesn’t matter anyway as he’s not going to win.
I’m not sure what part of that you find so offensive


The headline isn't misleading. You just think it is because it doesn't fit with your stereotype of what homelessness is. Yet another thing you have a very strong opinion about but very little idea of in reality.

If you want to avoid getting so much stick on here, how about keeping such offensive opinions to yourself if you're not even going to bother finding out about the subject first. There's a good lad.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 09:15 - Jan 14 with 612 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 09:12 - Jan 14 by footers

The headline isn't misleading. You just think it is because it doesn't fit with your stereotype of what homelessness is. Yet another thing you have a very strong opinion about but very little idea of in reality.

If you want to avoid getting so much stick on here, how about keeping such offensive opinions to yourself if you're not even going to bother finding out about the subject first. There's a good lad.
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I have not said anything offensive. If you believe I have please report me. There’s a good lad.
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A full proportion of people could on 09:30 - Jan 14 with 588 viewsSwansea_Blue

A full proportion of people could on 09:06 - Jan 14 by Pendejo

What does that even mean?

With 62,670 people estimated as homeless, does he mean 1% could afford a £5k deposit? Maybe they can, but with the average price of a house in London being over £500k* - then if they can afford the deposit, £100k mortgage and pay rent on the proportion they don't own... Then are they perhaps intentionally homeless? Maybe this is the next chumocracy scam?

20 years ago when I was homeless, I didn't often have £25 to go to football let alone rustle up £5k

Alternatively they expect people to borrow the £5k?

Londoners, afterall, seem to swim in debt. If it ain't the house it's a car, it's the only way to explain some of the cars where I live.

* (source https://www.housebeautiful.com/uk/lifestyle/property/a26312929/house-price-index


"20 years ago when I was homeless, I didn't often have £25 to go to football let alone rustle up £5k"

Bailey's sort probably assumes you were spending the £5k in crack dens and brothels.

They haven't got a clue. Despite Paz's best remonstration that he didn't say or mean what he clearly did say and mean, it's obvious they are so out of touch. At least he acknowledges that if by some miracle people who have nothing can find £5k, it's highly unlikely they'll be able to get a mortgage in any case. So it's all moot. Can't secure debt if you've nothing to secure it against can you?

I've been told he's highly unlikely to win in any case, so probably best to just ignore him?

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 09:34 - Jan 14 with 587 viewsGuthrum

Tory London Mayor candidate on 07:44 - Jan 14 by 26_Paz

None of this really matters anyway. His chances of beating Khan are pretty much non existent


I'm afraid it does matter, irrespective of his chances of winning.

If that's the level of thought and argument put out by a major-party candidate for a senior role (running the nation's capital and main financial hub), then it doesn't say much for the standard of politics in this country.

He should have realised that when people talk of homelessness they aren't referring to couch-surfers with jobs, but people with nothing sleeping in shop doorways. If he meant part-buy housing association schemes would fund places for street-sleepers, then he ought to have chosen his words more carefully. Clarity is a vitally important skill for people involved with administration and legislating.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 09:35 - Jan 14 with 579 viewsdickie

Tory London Mayor candidate on 22:31 - Jan 13 by SpruceMoose

Always ready to swoop in with an an excuse.

Odious.


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Tory London Mayor candidate on 09:41 - Jan 14 with 570 viewspinewoodblueboy

Tory London Mayor candidate on 22:33 - Jan 13 by 26_Paz

Where have I said they are not?
I merely point out that by using the term ‘homeless’ the headline invokes images of someone in a shop doorway


Right Paz. It really does not.
You really do need to do a bit of research as to what constitutes "homeless".
My Mrs worked for many years setting up places of secure accomadation for "homeless" single people and families of all agesand ethnicties, not in London, but a medium sized town and surrounding areas. The residents/clients, came from many different backgrounds, some had drug, alcohol addictions, mental health issues needing specialist support, others had unfortunatelly fallen on hard times.
There is not a cat in hells chance they could cobble together £500 let alone what Mr Bailey thinks is possible, and let's not forget this is (redacted) we are talking about, not the capital.
I don't for one second claim to be an expert on the subject, but have some skin in this.
She no longer works in this desperately needed field of work as funding cuts a decade ago meant the project had to ask for voluntary redundancies.
Hope that helps.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 09:53 - Jan 14 with 549 viewsSwansea_Blue

Tory London Mayor candidate on 09:41 - Jan 14 by pinewoodblueboy

Right Paz. It really does not.
You really do need to do a bit of research as to what constitutes "homeless".
My Mrs worked for many years setting up places of secure accomadation for "homeless" single people and families of all agesand ethnicties, not in London, but a medium sized town and surrounding areas. The residents/clients, came from many different backgrounds, some had drug, alcohol addictions, mental health issues needing specialist support, others had unfortunatelly fallen on hard times.
There is not a cat in hells chance they could cobble together £500 let alone what Mr Bailey thinks is possible, and let's not forget this is (redacted) we are talking about, not the capital.
I don't for one second claim to be an expert on the subject, but have some skin in this.
She no longer works in this desperately needed field of work as funding cuts a decade ago meant the project had to ask for voluntary redundancies.
Hope that helps.


That's the trouble. The supporters of these sorts of comments (see also 'the homeless can't be trusted to feed their kids', 'can't manage their money' (despite knowing more about budgeting than most), 'will only spend it all on fags and booze', etc..) just have no idea what they're talking about. Their background mean they've no experience and lack of empathy means they're not prepared to find out.

Which is a worry because we're all only a traumatic event away from needing help ourselves. I've been homeless in terms of sofa surfing a long time ago. Didn't have two pennies to rub together for a while and would have gone under without help from family. Some don't have that help.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 10:00 - Jan 14 with 544 viewsfooters

Tory London Mayor candidate on 09:53 - Jan 14 by Swansea_Blue

That's the trouble. The supporters of these sorts of comments (see also 'the homeless can't be trusted to feed their kids', 'can't manage their money' (despite knowing more about budgeting than most), 'will only spend it all on fags and booze', etc..) just have no idea what they're talking about. Their background mean they've no experience and lack of empathy means they're not prepared to find out.

Which is a worry because we're all only a traumatic event away from needing help ourselves. I've been homeless in terms of sofa surfing a long time ago. Didn't have two pennies to rub together for a while and would have gone under without help from family. Some don't have that help.


Indeed, Swanners. People don't seem to appreciate how unstable their life could become, and just how quickly that could happen. All it takes is for a few unfortunate events to happen and there you are in desperate need of others' help. As you say, you're lucky if you've got friends and family who are able to help, but what if you don't? Charities are already stretched to capacity and the government isn't exactly helping out as much as it should.

These are very uncertain times for millions in this country and beyond. So for a mayoral candidate to make such a ludicrous comment really isn't helpful. Well, maybe it is helpful inasmuch as it shows how prevalent and problematic such attitudes are when it comes to homelessness.

I earn a not inconsiderable amount of dosh and have been saving for years here in our nation's precious capital. If a white collar worker like me is struggling to get a deposit together, then how the hell is someone who's likely living an itinerant, hectic lifestyle supposed to do the same? It's completely out of touch with reality.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:02 - Jan 14 with 502 viewsHerbivore

Tory London Mayor candidate on 08:58 - Jan 14 by 26_Paz

The headline is misleading and it doesn’t matter anyway as he’s not going to win.
I’m not sure what part of that you find so offensive


Not offensive, just really quite bizarre what you take from this. Actually, maybe not that bizarre given you're a stereotypical I'm alright Jack little Englander whose 'indepdent' worldview comes straight from Sun headlines. Have a word with yourself, petal.

Edit - on reflection, your views are actually quite offensive.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:27 - Jan 14 with 462 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:02 - Jan 14 by Herbivore

Not offensive, just really quite bizarre what you take from this. Actually, maybe not that bizarre given you're a stereotypical I'm alright Jack little Englander whose 'indepdent' worldview comes straight from Sun headlines. Have a word with yourself, petal.

Edit - on reflection, your views are actually quite offensive.
[Post edited 14 Jan 11:16]


Report me if you think I’m offensive.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:30 - Jan 14 with 462 viewsNewcyBlue

Tory London Mayor candidate on 22:33 - Jan 13 by 26_Paz

Where have I said they are not?
I merely point out that by using the term ‘homeless’ the headline invokes images of someone in a shop doorway


Between 2008 and early 2011 I was either at sea, in accommodation when I was at the marine school, or living in my car.

I couldn’t afford to rent something year round.

Homelessness isn’t just a shop doorway.

I would suggest commenting on something you have knowledge of.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:32 - Jan 14 with 450 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:30 - Jan 14 by NewcyBlue

Between 2008 and early 2011 I was either at sea, in accommodation when I was at the marine school, or living in my car.

I couldn’t afford to rent something year round.

Homelessness isn’t just a shop doorway.

I would suggest commenting on something you have knowledge of.


I never said it was. I said the headline invoked those images.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:35 - Jan 14 with 449 viewsfooters

Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:32 - Jan 14 by 26_Paz

I never said it was. I said the headline invoked those images.


To you it does. Because you have a limited, stereotypical view of what homelessness is.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:39 - Jan 14 with 439 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:35 - Jan 14 by footers

To you it does. Because you have a limited, stereotypical view of what homelessness is.


Maybe it is because I do not have much background on the subject.
I’m still struggling to see how this makes me ‘odious’ and ‘offensive’.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:41 - Jan 14 with 436 viewsfooters

Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:39 - Jan 14 by 26_Paz

Maybe it is because I do not have much background on the subject.
I’m still struggling to see how this makes me ‘odious’ and ‘offensive’.


So maybe keep your thoughts to yourself if you don't know anything?

I think the 'odious' and 'offensive' more relates to you popping up every single time to defend the incredibly heartless actions, thoughts and words of anything with a blue rosette pinned to it. It's not a great look, tbh. And I'm not really sure how much of it you really believe.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:45 - Jan 14 with 429 viewspinewoodblueboy

Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:27 - Jan 14 by 26_Paz

Report me if you think I’m offensive.


Would you like to respond to my post though.
I'm genuinely interested to hear what you think "homeless" is or indeed, how we as a nation can improve the situation for countless folk who have absolutely no chance of buying or renting their home. The help being cut trying to help those much less fortunate than you or i, and God forbid, if you did ever need support, what you think should be in place to help.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:48 - Jan 14 with 419 viewsBlueLikeJazz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:39 - Jan 14 by 26_Paz

Maybe it is because I do not have much background on the subject.
I’m still struggling to see how this makes me ‘odious’ and ‘offensive’.


Why not try finding out about something before you trap off about it? That'd be a start.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 12:11 - Jan 14 with 378 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:45 - Jan 14 by pinewoodblueboy

Would you like to respond to my post though.
I'm genuinely interested to hear what you think "homeless" is or indeed, how we as a nation can improve the situation for countless folk who have absolutely no chance of buying or renting their home. The help being cut trying to help those much less fortunate than you or i, and God forbid, if you did ever need support, what you think should be in place to help.


I will respond to your post now, sir.
I would, however, ask those lambasting me for commenting on a subject I am not an expert in to be cognisant of the fact that I am only commenting further due to your direct request.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 12:16 - Jan 14 with 360 views26_Paz

Tory London Mayor candidate on 09:41 - Jan 14 by pinewoodblueboy

Right Paz. It really does not.
You really do need to do a bit of research as to what constitutes "homeless".
My Mrs worked for many years setting up places of secure accomadation for "homeless" single people and families of all agesand ethnicties, not in London, but a medium sized town and surrounding areas. The residents/clients, came from many different backgrounds, some had drug, alcohol addictions, mental health issues needing specialist support, others had unfortunatelly fallen on hard times.
There is not a cat in hells chance they could cobble together £500 let alone what Mr Bailey thinks is possible, and let's not forget this is (redacted) we are talking about, not the capital.
I don't for one second claim to be an expert on the subject, but have some skin in this.
She no longer works in this desperately needed field of work as funding cuts a decade ago meant the project had to ask for voluntary redundancies.
Hope that helps.


Thanks for the info. As I’ve recognised already when I see the word ‘homeless’ I think of a poor unfortunate soul sleeping on the streets. What I’ve read here tells me that homelessness is far broader than that. Whilst I was aware these issues existed I was perhaps unaware of the true extent.
Obviously it ridiculous to suggest that somebody who can’t afford to rent a room could be expected to save £5k.
My original comment was that the headline of the article was an over-simplification of what this gentleman actually said, whilst I stand by that I do recognise that what he said was pretty stupid.
I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to anybody who has been offended by my words. I would, however, like to point out that my statements were perhaps ignorant of facts rather than ‘odious’ and ‘offensive’.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 12:17 - Jan 14 with 363 viewsHerbivore

Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:27 - Jan 14 by 26_Paz

Report me if you think I’m offensive.


I'm not a grass, unlike you.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 12:21 - Jan 14 with 354 viewsHerbivore

Tory London Mayor candidate on 11:32 - Jan 14 by 26_Paz

I never said it was. I said the headline invoked those images.


Only in the wilfully ignorant.

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Tory London Mayor candidate on 12:29 - Jan 14 with 344 viewsclive_baker

Tory London Mayor candidate on 12:16 - Jan 14 by 26_Paz

Thanks for the info. As I’ve recognised already when I see the word ‘homeless’ I think of a poor unfortunate soul sleeping on the streets. What I’ve read here tells me that homelessness is far broader than that. Whilst I was aware these issues existed I was perhaps unaware of the true extent.
Obviously it ridiculous to suggest that somebody who can’t afford to rent a room could be expected to save £5k.
My original comment was that the headline of the article was an over-simplification of what this gentleman actually said, whilst I stand by that I do recognise that what he said was pretty stupid.
I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to anybody who has been offended by my words. I would, however, like to point out that my statements were perhaps ignorant of facts rather than ‘odious’ and ‘offensive’.
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Tory London Mayor candidate on 12:30 - Jan 14 with 339 viewstractordownsouth

Tory London Mayor candidate on 07:40 - Jan 14 by Steve_M

Are you not familiar with Shaun Bailey? This is very much the level of his political output. He makes Gavin Williamson look like Roy Jenkins.


Sadly I am very familiar - his campaign is a joke. The leader of the Tories in the GLA, Susan Hall, is even worse though. She spends her time moaning about woke snowflakes, but the other week she was getting cross at someone from BLM for suggesting we should paint letterboxes black - clearly focusing on the issues that matter.

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