| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions 23:10 - Feb 4 with 15636 views | StokieBlue |
So it looks like the Tory backbenchers and the Chancellor are applying pressure to try and get the government to bring forward the dates for considering easing the lockdown in England.
This is against the advice of SAGE who Sunak has stated are acting too conservatively. You also have Hunt coming out and saying lockdown should be continued until cases are to 1000 per day and Starmer saying we shouldn't open up too early like other times.
Then you have Chope on Newsnight saying that the 8th March should be "lockdown freedom day" when the public get their "liberties" back and other evidences showing that only 20% of people are following isolation orders.
The issue here is that if there are 20,000 cases a day, even if the R is low (say 0.6) then when you open up that is still a high baseline number of cases which can start growing exponentially again and it won't take long to get to high numbers. Counter to that, if you wait until cases are 5,000 per day it will take longer to reach higher cases and it will also allow more time for vaccinations before those cases reach a high level.
Interesting Chope refused to say what an acceptable number of cases were to open up, he said that isn't the point and that people should be able to exercise their freedom and even referred to the public as "prisoners" so that might give an indication where a number of Tory backbenchers are at the moment.
You also have Damien Green on Newsnight saying that this has to be the last lockdown for both economic and mental health reasons and in order for that to be the case we need come out in a cautious and pragmatic way due to the new variants.
So it seems there are two very solid blocks of opinion but very little agreement between the blocks.
What are peoples thoughts?
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:26 - Feb 5 with 1836 views | BlueBadger |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:13 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
And here’s some utterly predictable abuse. If only I cared hey |
Should he have just called you a 'bum boy' or a 'picanniny'?
Or hoped your nan dies because he wanted to the pub?
Or simply suggested that the kids down the street go hungry because mum and dad are out of work?
Spare us the crocodile tears and victim complex.
If you're going to troll, stand up and bloody troll. Don't start crying like a ginger Norwich fan on relegation day because someone said a bad word.
Oh, and stop complaining about 'woke culture' if you're going to get the arse about bad words.
In context, you arse.
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:29 - Feb 5 with 1822 views | ronnyd |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:21 - Feb 5 by J2BLUE |
Has the pressure on your hospital eased at all yet? |
With idiots like Paz about ,i'd say not. |  | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:29 - Feb 5 with 1825 views | BlueBadger |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:26 - Feb 5 by J2BLUE |
Bleak.
Cheers. |
In all fairness, only one was a covid, the other was a Young Person(hereby defined as 'under 60') needing optimisation for transfer to Somewhere Specialist for treatment for Something Very Nasty Needing Clever People To Try and Fix It. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:30 - Feb 5 with 1819 views | BlueBadger |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:29 - Feb 5 by ronnyd |
With idiots like Paz about ,i'd say not. |
I don't know if it's easing or we've just adapted to live with a background level of 'awful', tbh. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:36 - Feb 5 with 1811 views | BlueBadger |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 23:41 - Feb 4 by 26_Paz |
You have wilfully ignored that I said over 70s plus the clinically vulnerable. The vast majority of those under 70 in hospital will fall into the clinically vulnerable category. The youth have paid too high a price already (for the record at 34 I do not count myself in that category) |
I can assure you, I've seen a lot of previously not-particularly-vulnerable over 70's die this past 12 months. This time round, the majority of them aren't clinically vulnerable. Mainly because they all died first time round. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:38 - Feb 5 with 1810 views | BlueBadger |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 23:59 - Feb 4 by 26_Paz |
So, one of my mates is off work with depression. His girlfriend left him just before all this and he just can’t cope being at home on his own. He’s now so pumped full of happy pills it’s like talking to a different person. All he needs is the routine of normal life and he’ll be fine. Another one of my mates has saved for years to buy his own place. He’s been out of work for 6 months and has lost most of his savings. His girlfriend is so depressed she doesn’t get out of bed most days. I want this to end as soon as possible. Basically I believe stopping younger people wasting their lives is more important than keeping a small number of older people alive. |
I'd be more convinced of your concern for younger people if you hadn't also advocated not feeding them or their children during school holidays in recent times.
'Stop sending money to the EU and look after our own', eh? [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 2:35]
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 01:06 - Feb 5 with 1774 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 23:12 - Feb 4 by Herbivore |
The majority of Tories are complete knobs. They seem to have learnt absolutely nothing from the numerous cock ups over the past year. |
Woah there! They have some very good (but very quiet) people. Or so I'm told. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 01:09 - Feb 5 with 1776 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 23:44 - Feb 4 by 26_Paz |
As crude as this may sound I do not believe that a plus 80 person living another year or so is worth a year of a child’s education. |
Normally I have to tempt you into revealing your true nature, but here you did it yourself.
Honestly, you sound like you would have benefited from an extra decade or two of education yourself.
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 01:14 - Feb 5 with 1771 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:15 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
No, just about me. You won’t bully me off here. You should have got that by now. |
Yet you're quite happy to try and bully elderly people out of their lives and off the face of the earth just so you can get down the pub.
Shameful. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 01:22 - Feb 5 with 1765 views | Rocky |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:12 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
Both of them are more anti lock down than me and would remove it all tomorrow if you have them half a chance! |
Nice.
You have parents who are quite happy to get rid of the lock down and spread the virus.
Explains a lot. |  | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 01:33 - Feb 5 with 1749 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 01:22 - Feb 5 by Rocky |
Nice.
You have parents who are quite happy to get rid of the lock down and spread the virus.
Explains a lot. |
Junk in, junk out. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 01:51 - Feb 5 with 1748 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 23:36 - Feb 4 by 26_Paz |
I would be more than willing to take the risk. They’re both around 60 ... they’d be absolutely fine. |
You haven't got a fcking clue.
Not a clue.
Your parents have a special "immunity to Covid-19" gene mutation, do they?
They would *probably* be fine. You can say that. But what you can't possibly know is that they would *definitely* be fine.
Oh, and they might be fine, but they might be asymptomatic carriers and pass it on to somebody else who isn't absolutely fine.
Or maybe several people. Who each pass it on to several people, because, you know, they thought they'd be absolutely fine. Until eventually several families have the experience of watching a loved one die in agony from Covid, because, you know, percentages. | | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 01:57 - Feb 5 with 1758 views | BlueBadger |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 23:17 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
I wouldn’t ease restrictions until three weeks after all over 60’s have been vaccinated.
I say this knowing that may well send me skint. But it will definitely send me skint if we ease restrictions too soon followed by another two to three month lockdown in the summer. |
This is the bit that short-sighted c**ts miss every single time. It's not that the lockdowns aren't damaging, it's that they're more damaging because their f**kwitted insistence on delaying and/or shortening or 'light-touch' legislations ultimately will cost more because it doesn't treat the root causes.
It's the culmination of Thatcherism writ large - the 'hands off, small state' that ultimately enriches fewer people because of it's shortsighted pursuit of making or saving a few pennies when there's actual pounds to be made if you plan properly and look the wider picture.
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 02:15 - Feb 5 with 1739 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 01:57 - Feb 5 by BlueBadger |
This is the bit that short-sighted c**ts miss every single time. It's not that the lockdowns aren't damaging, it's that they're more damaging because their f**kwitted insistence on delaying and/or shortening or 'light-touch' legislations ultimately will cost more because it doesn't treat the root causes.
It's the culmination of Thatcherism writ large - the 'hands off, small state' that ultimately enriches fewer people because of it's shortsighted pursuit of making or saving a few pennies when there's actual pounds to be made if you plan properly and look the wider picture.
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Shut up and take my upvote. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 02:38 - Feb 5 with 1732 views | NewcyBlue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 23:44 - Feb 4 by 26_Paz |
As crude as this may sound I do not believe that a plus 80 person living another year or so is worth a year of a child’s education. |
“I really care about my elderly grandmother...but not yours. She can die for my beer with mates in the pub. ROFLCOPTER”
Stay Classy. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 06:37 - Feb 5 with 1683 views | WD19 |
Damien Green is bang on. Neither the country nor the government can afford another lockdown, which is why the exit will be cautious. |  | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 06:53 - Feb 5 with 1671 views | brogansnose |
I cannot see how we can possibly come out of restrictions until the amount of people who are hospitalised with Covid is drastically lowered coupled with the vaccination count including at least the over 60's. People bleat on about mental health issues, a lot of which are real, but there is also a raft of people needing urgent treatment for life affecting issues such as heart conditions and cancer which is limited by the amount of cases taking up beds and staffing resources. To throw away all the sacrifices made at this point so people can go to the pub or poxy Primark is ridiculous. I'd also add that no one who I talk to either at work , I work on large sites, is arguing to open up and indeed quite the opposite.
The mental health issues of those in the NHS need to be respected as what they are going through right now is horrific and will inevitably cause them PTSD which is far greater than being bored of watching Netflix. |  | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 07:07 - Feb 5 with 1649 views | hype313 |
We're so close to stifling this poxy thing, if it means another month or past April to make sure all 50's are done, meaning vastly reduced pressure on the NHS, then surely this has got to be the most sensible approach. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 07:35 - Feb 5 with 1626 views | Herbivore |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 00:36 - Feb 5 by BlueBadger |
I can assure you, I've seen a lot of previously not-particularly-vulnerable over 70's die this past 12 months. This time round, the majority of them aren't clinically vulnerable. Mainly because they all died first time round. |
I'm sure that as their bodies finally gave up the fight they were glad that people like Paz would happily allow more people to die in such a fashion to enable him to have a pint with his mates. [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 7:36]
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 07:44 - Feb 5 with 1605 views | gordon |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 23:18 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
Didn't know much about Chope but he came over awfully on Newsnight and looking at Wiki he seems like a rather odious individual:
- Tabled a bill to allow people to opt-out of the minimum wage
- Climate change denier
- Anti-same sex marriage
- Voted against companies being forced to declare a pay gap between men and women
- Supports the death penalty
Quite the rap sheet there.
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Yes, Christopher Chope holds extremist views and shouldn't be given a mainstream platform, any more than (for example) an extremist islamic preacher should. And obviously he should be nowhere near public office. |  | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 07:46 - Feb 5 with 1600 views | hype313 |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 07:44 - Feb 5 by gordon |
Yes, Christopher Chope holds extremist views and shouldn't be given a mainstream platform, any more than (for example) an extremist islamic preacher should. And obviously he should be nowhere near public office. |
Trouble is, it's the same views most of the cabinet have, who currently sit in public office. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 07:50 - Feb 5 with 1595 views | Herbivore |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 06:37 - Feb 5 by WD19 |
Damien Green is bang on. Neither the country nor the government can afford another lockdown, which is why the exit will be cautious. |
This is the thing that the terminally sh!t-witted don't grasp. If we come out of lockdown too quickly and too sharply when levels of Covid in the community are still high then the inevitable outcome is another lockdown in a few months' time. The proportion of people that need hospitalisation means that large numbers of cases will inevitably overwhelm the NHS. This shouldn't be hard to grasp. We've seen the evidence over the past year. And yet there are selfish little pricks who seemingly can't get their head around it. I'd take lockdown into April or even a bit beyond if it meant no more lockdowns. Take the pain now for some sort of normality down the line. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 07:52 - Feb 5 with 1591 views | gordon |
In general in response to the OP, by far the biggest challenge now will be the enormous backlog of routine and emergency treatments in the NHS, staff will be exhausted and not had time off for ages.
The poster suggesting the issue is a trade-off between an 80 year old dying and a young person suffering poor mental health just hasn't understood the situation.
Opening up too quickly and overwhelming the NHS again would cause more unnecessary deaths of children, adults, and old people who would have further delays to treatment.
And anyone saying 'the lockdown is causing more deaths than its saving', is basing that on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, while ignoring a very big pile of evidence to the contrary. | | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 07:54 - Feb 5 with 1586 views | gordon |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 06:37 - Feb 5 by WD19 |
Damien Green is bang on. Neither the country nor the government can afford another lockdown, which is why the exit will be cautious. |
The next lockdown restrictions (probably not full lockdown) will be in Nov/Dec/Jan -(assuming we don't open up too soon now!). | | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 08:08 - Feb 5 with 1567 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 23:44 - Feb 4 by 26_Paz |
As crude as this may sound I do not believe that a plus 80 person living another year or so is worth a year of a child’s education. |
I've thought you've been hard done by on here in the past and some of the abuse was a bit extreme, but you've lost all sympathy from me with this heartless, f2ckwitted comment. My dad's 84 and fit as a fiddle (for now). Who the f@ck are you to say he should die early so you and your mates can get down the pub.
Spruce's constant attacks on you bored me but he was right all along. You are scum. |  |
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