| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions 23:10 - Feb 4 with 15270 views | StokieBlue |
So it looks like the Tory backbenchers and the Chancellor are applying pressure to try and get the government to bring forward the dates for considering easing the lockdown in England.
This is against the advice of SAGE who Sunak has stated are acting too conservatively. You also have Hunt coming out and saying lockdown should be continued until cases are to 1000 per day and Starmer saying we shouldn't open up too early like other times.
Then you have Chope on Newsnight saying that the 8th March should be "lockdown freedom day" when the public get their "liberties" back and other evidences showing that only 20% of people are following isolation orders.
The issue here is that if there are 20,000 cases a day, even if the R is low (say 0.6) then when you open up that is still a high baseline number of cases which can start growing exponentially again and it won't take long to get to high numbers. Counter to that, if you wait until cases are 5,000 per day it will take longer to reach higher cases and it will also allow more time for vaccinations before those cases reach a high level.
Interesting Chope refused to say what an acceptable number of cases were to open up, he said that isn't the point and that people should be able to exercise their freedom and even referred to the public as "prisoners" so that might give an indication where a number of Tory backbenchers are at the moment.
You also have Damien Green on Newsnight saying that this has to be the last lockdown for both economic and mental health reasons and in order for that to be the case we need come out in a cautious and pragmatic way due to the new variants.
So it seems there are two very solid blocks of opinion but very little agreement between the blocks.
What are peoples thoughts?
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:36 - Feb 5 with 532 views | bluelagos |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:29 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not surprised you got an earful then. Why on earth isn't this at the front of your mind when out for a walk, especially with an old couple approaching? I'm trying to hold back here because generally you seem a decent chap on here, but I'm sick of people wandering about getting too close, not moving etc. as if they're oblivious to a global pandemic being on. |
The person with me as shocked at their reactions as I was. And i passed many others without any issues.
Twtd is going for it today isnt it... |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:38 - Feb 5 with 511 views | 26_Paz |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:33 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You've just said you doubt you were 2 meters apart when you passed, so you did encroach on someone coming the other way. |
The chances of Covid transmission in the circumstances BL has described are virtually nil. The old geezer massively over reacted. As has been said, not being nasty, he’s just developed anxiety probably. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:39 - Feb 5 with 523 views | bluelagos |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:33 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You've just said you doubt you were 2 meters apart when you passed, so you did encroach on someone coming the other way. |
The path wasnt 2m wide so not quite sure what your point is here. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:40 - Feb 5 with 515 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:36 - Feb 5 by bluelagos |
The person with me as shocked at their reactions as I was. And i passed many others without any issues.
Twtd is going for it today isnt it... |
Maybe the others you pass are a bit shy to speak up. You've just admitted you doubt you were 2 meters from them, so I'm not sure why you're feeling like you're the victim in this, either at the time or from the comments on here. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:40 - Feb 5 with 511 views | giant_stow |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:36 - Feb 5 by bluelagos |
The person with me as shocked at their reactions as I was. And i passed many others without any issues.
Twtd is going for it today isnt it... |
yeah, a real feeding frenzy. blood in the water. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:41 - Feb 5 with 510 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:06 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You just don't get it do you?
What about your own death, would that be acceptable? If, for example, your premature demise, sad though it would be, meant 5 kids got back to school earlier, would that be ok? |
It's not even about deaths, people aren't either 'dead' or 'completely OK'. I'd like to know what percentage of people with serious health issues/disabilities requiring long-term support caused by long Covid that Paz would deem acceptable....but on second thoughts this is the man who claimed 'libraries should all be closed because we don't need them.' I wouldn't trust someone who said something that sh*twitted to advise me on how to tie my shoelaces, let alone on public health policy. |  | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:41 - Feb 5 with 505 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:36 - Feb 5 by bluelagos |
The person with me as shocked at their reactions as I was. And i passed many others without any issues.
Twtd is going for it today isnt it... |
You're the new Glassers, and I claim my free pint form Lambo.
Embrace it, you're only on page 7. At least another 10 to go. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:42 - Feb 5 with 498 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:38 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
The chances of Covid transmission in the circumstances BL has described are virtually nil. The old geezer massively over reacted. As has been said, not being nasty, he’s just developed anxiety probably. |
They're not virtually nil. Stop spreading falsehoods. The 2 meter rule is there for a reason. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:44 - Feb 5 with 479 views | 26_Paz |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:40 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe the others you pass are a bit shy to speak up. You've just admitted you doubt you were 2 meters from them, so I'm not sure why you're feeling like you're the victim in this, either at the time or from the comments on here. |
No pavements are two meters wide. It is physically impossible to leave two meters when passing everyone. If you did you would have been run over by March 24th last year! | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:45 - Feb 5 with 479 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:39 - Feb 5 by bluelagos |
The path wasnt 2m wide so not quite sure what your point is here. |
As I posted earlier I walk in the road if it's safe. Or stand to one side behind a parked car. Or cross to the other side. It's not a difficult work around is it?
EDIT: Funny you've not mentioned up until now that the path was 2 meters wide. The exact amount you're meant to be distant. Such a coincidence that! [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 9:47]
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:45 - Feb 5 with 476 views | footers |
Jesus tap dancing Christ, TWTD.
metre = unit of measurement equal to one hundred centimetres
meter = a device used to measure stuff, like water and whatnot |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:46 - Feb 5 with 468 views | eireblue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:25 - Feb 5 by Swansea_Blue |
It wouldn't be bold to open up, it would be reckless.
The risks due to non-100% efficacy and mutations are negligible compared to a third wave with more tens of thousands of people dying. Even the first dose of the double dose vaccines have been shown to virtually eliminate hospitalisations. They also massively limit transmission. And it's the rampant spread of the disease that provides the opportunity for the mutations too. |
A bold decision will be one that Paz agrees with.
A decision from the government that would be along the lines of, the science, case numbers, and loading on the NHS means we need to ignore specific dates we falsely set an expectation around.
We were wrong last year to do it, we are sorry to falsely set expectations again.
We need to hold on, keep with the vaccine program get case numbers down.
Then we will start to slowly open up.
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:46 - Feb 5 with 468 views | bluelagos |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:40 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe the others you pass are a bit shy to speak up. You've just admitted you doubt you were 2 meters from them, so I'm not sure why you're feeling like you're the victim in this, either at the time or from the comments on here. |
Behave yourself. I merely pointed out that anxiety levels are so high that an old couple are so scarsd that they would shout at and verbally abuse complete strangers who didnt understand why they were waving their arms.
No arguments were had. I merely point out that there are some incredibly anxious people behaving in quite bizarre ways atm.
And you were not there so have no idea of the path/road. There was plenty of space for everyone, albeit no, not a full 2m. But if you think it accecptable to shout at anyone who passes you withiin 2m then I think we will have to agree to differ on that. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:48 - Feb 5 with 458 views | StokieBlue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:45 - Feb 5 by footers |
Jesus tap dancing Christ, TWTD.
metre = unit of measurement equal to one hundred centimetres
meter = a device used to measure stuff, like water and whatnot |
Let's get even more precise.
Metre = The distance travelled by light in 1/299,792,458 of a second.
Meter = Crazy US corruption of English.
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:50 - Feb 5 with 443 views | footers |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:48 - Feb 5 by StokieBlue |
Let's get even more precise.
Metre = The distance travelled by light in 1/299,792,458 of a second.
Meter = Crazy US corruption of English.
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I spend enough of my working life listening to such waffle and I don't expect to see it on TWTD. This place should be for proper Suffolkian words like shew and squit, not meter and normalcy.
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:51 - Feb 5 with 440 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:48 - Feb 5 by StokieBlue |
Let's get even more precise.
Metre = The distance travelled by light in 1/299,792,458 of a second.
Meter = Crazy US corruption of English.
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meter - also used in poetry and music to describe the rhythmic patterns used |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:52 - Feb 5 with 439 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:44 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
No pavements are two meters wide. It is physically impossible to leave two meters when passing everyone. If you did you would have been run over by March 24th last year! |
hahaha. It's physically impossible to cross the road, step to one side behind a parked car, walk in the road if clear?! I've been doing all these things since March last year, and guess what, I'm not posting this from the afterlife.
You fecking moron. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:55 - Feb 5 with 416 views | 26_Paz |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:52 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
hahaha. It's physically impossible to cross the road, step to one side behind a parked car, walk in the road if clear?! I've been doing all these things since March last year, and guess what, I'm not posting this from the afterlife.
You fecking moron. |
They’ll be other people on the other side of the road. You can’t seriously be claiming that you haven’t passed within two meters of somebody on the pavement since March last year. That is just not possible. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:57 - Feb 5 with 416 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:46 - Feb 5 by bluelagos |
Behave yourself. I merely pointed out that anxiety levels are so high that an old couple are so scarsd that they would shout at and verbally abuse complete strangers who didnt understand why they were waving their arms.
No arguments were had. I merely point out that there are some incredibly anxious people behaving in quite bizarre ways atm.
And you were not there so have no idea of the path/road. There was plenty of space for everyone, albeit no, not a full 2m. But if you think it accecptable to shout at anyone who passes you withiin 2m then I think we will have to agree to differ on that. |
What do you mean by "behave yourself"? I have done. You were totally in the wrong.
But yes, it is a sad state of affairs that people are this anxious whilst out for a walk. We can certainly agree on that. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:58 - Feb 5 with 405 views | 26_Paz |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:57 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What do you mean by "behave yourself"? I have done. You were totally in the wrong.
But yes, it is a sad state of affairs that people are this anxious whilst out for a walk. We can certainly agree on that. |
He means you’re talking nonsense | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:59 - Feb 5 with 402 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:55 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
They’ll be other people on the other side of the road. You can’t seriously be claiming that you haven’t passed within two meters of somebody on the pavement since March last year. That is just not possible. |
"They’ll be other people on the other side of the road."
I give up. You're a troll or a moron, I'm not sure which. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:00 - Feb 5 with 394 views | 26_Paz |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:59 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"They’ll be other people on the other side of the road."
I give up. You're a troll or a moron, I'm not sure which. |
I have to go down Romford high street to get groceries or I will starve. You can not leave 2 meters between everyone there. You can’t. There isn’t a road to cross or cars to hide behind. These are facts. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:01 - Feb 5 with 396 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:52 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
hahaha. It's physically impossible to cross the road, step to one side behind a parked car, walk in the road if clear?! I've been doing all these things since March last year, and guess what, I'm not posting this from the afterlife.
You fecking moron. |
Come now, Paz has sensed that BL isn't quite as appalled by his comments as everybody else so is now clinging and latching onto him like the parasite he is. |  | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:01 - Feb 5 with 396 views | bluelagos |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:40 - Feb 5 by giant_stow |
yeah, a real feeding frenzy. blood in the water. |
Social media shaming is all the rage Ulla. Get with the programme. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:02 - Feb 5 with 394 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:58 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
He means you’re talking nonsense |
Coming from you that's the biggest insult I've ever had on TWTD. Your whole raison d'etre is nonsense, and offensive nonsense at that. | |
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