| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions 23:10 - Feb 4 with 15641 views | StokieBlue |
So it looks like the Tory backbenchers and the Chancellor are applying pressure to try and get the government to bring forward the dates for considering easing the lockdown in England.
This is against the advice of SAGE who Sunak has stated are acting too conservatively. You also have Hunt coming out and saying lockdown should be continued until cases are to 1000 per day and Starmer saying we shouldn't open up too early like other times.
Then you have Chope on Newsnight saying that the 8th March should be "lockdown freedom day" when the public get their "liberties" back and other evidences showing that only 20% of people are following isolation orders.
The issue here is that if there are 20,000 cases a day, even if the R is low (say 0.6) then when you open up that is still a high baseline number of cases which can start growing exponentially again and it won't take long to get to high numbers. Counter to that, if you wait until cases are 5,000 per day it will take longer to reach higher cases and it will also allow more time for vaccinations before those cases reach a high level.
Interesting Chope refused to say what an acceptable number of cases were to open up, he said that isn't the point and that people should be able to exercise their freedom and even referred to the public as "prisoners" so that might give an indication where a number of Tory backbenchers are at the moment.
You also have Damien Green on Newsnight saying that this has to be the last lockdown for both economic and mental health reasons and in order for that to be the case we need come out in a cautious and pragmatic way due to the new variants.
So it seems there are two very solid blocks of opinion but very little agreement between the blocks.
What are peoples thoughts?
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:45 - Feb 5 with 592 views | giant_stow |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:32 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Depends how you take the phrase "out of this". I don't mean it would be eradicated, but I reckon we wouldn't still be in lockdown (like other countries who were stricter at the beginning). |
you little wriggler you! |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:01 - Feb 5 with 547 views | DebsyAngel |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:06 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
I’m not doubting that BL and his mate complied with social distancing rules, but my biggest bugbare are couples walking on a path side by side and then not giving an inch when I am approaching from the opposite direction. They should move to single file.
When I come across it they get some verbal from me. It’s selfish c**tish behaviour. |
Same here. I have been verbally abusive to people when they don't do this. They expect me to walk in the road where traffic is coming to get out of their way. When my husband meets me on the walk home from town, we certainly do single file as it's the right thing to do and respectful of others. |  | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:18 - Feb 5 with 515 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:41 - Feb 5 by footers |
Yeah, well kicked out anyway now, aren't I. So you can all enjoy yourselves without dear old footers now.
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:19 - Feb 5 with 510 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:01 - Feb 5 by DebsyAngel |
Same here. I have been verbally abusive to people when they don't do this. They expect me to walk in the road where traffic is coming to get out of their way. When my husband meets me on the walk home from town, we certainly do single file as it's the right thing to do and respectful of others. |
I prefer to walk 100 yards behind my wife too 
Sorry, only teasing. When we go out for a walk or a rare run, I've found most people are pretty respectful. I always leave a lot of room and 9 times out of 10 will get a thank you for that. People will often wait if there's a pinch point coming up too. There are some people who hog space, but normally they're just not aware I'm there (they're chatting or I'm running up behind them, in which case I walk and wait).
The worst by far is when you go out shopping. People aren't going to let something like covid get between them and the pack of grapes they want. Even if there are 60 identical packs of grapes waiting if they miss out on the exact one they want. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:23 - Feb 5 with 493 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:36 - Feb 5 by vapour_trail |
Not remotely what you said first time round.
To repeat your exact quote:
If everyone made an effort and used their common sense rather than doing the bare minimum by law, we’d probably be out of this by now.
That’s nothing to do with rules and compliance, that’s about individual interpretations of a virus and it’s implications. Genuinely, it’s boIIocks. |
What are you blathering on about. I'm saying if everyone used common sense AS WELL AS obeying the law, we'd PROBABLY be out of this by now (the current lockdown).
I really don't see what's boIIocks about this statement. It's obvious. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:26 - Feb 5 with 484 views | vapour_trail |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:23 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What are you blathering on about. I'm saying if everyone used common sense AS WELL AS obeying the law, we'd PROBABLY be out of this by now (the current lockdown).
I really don't see what's boIIocks about this statement. It's obvious. |
Obvious to you dollers. I think it’s sh1te.
Think we’re unlikely to convince each other otherwise. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:28 - Feb 5 with 473 views | footers |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:18 - Feb 5 by SpruceMoose |
That's what you get for bringing a pickle to a sausage fight. |
Gherkin, please. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:29 - Feb 5 with 469 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:40 - Feb 5 by giant_stow |
Don't studies show that compliance with the rules is very high? If so, we're talking very small gains on the margins.
Far more likely that the effort taken to keep the country ticking over causes the bulk of infection.
I'm not sure NHS workers are in the best position to know what caused the infections they're dealing with - how could they possibly know? |
Because they talk to their patients?!
Have you got a link to these studies? Almost every time I go in my local Co-op at the end of the road there's at least one person without a mask on, I regularly see people in groups at the park (especially young mums chatting with no masks, not socially distant and more than 6), and people generally don't seem too bothered by the 2 metre rule. These are just a couple of examples 5 mins from my flat. I find it hard to believe we're an anomaly. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:30 - Feb 5 with 456 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:45 - Feb 5 by giant_stow |
you little wriggler you! |
No wriggling, you read it wrong. I OBVIOUSLY didn't mean CV-19 would no longer exist. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:31 - Feb 5 with 454 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:28 - Feb 5 by footers |
Gherkin, please. |
I'll give you one thing, you've got a big gherkin walk for a man wearing cornichon shoes! | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:33 - Feb 5 with 447 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:23 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What are you blathering on about. I'm saying if everyone used common sense AS WELL AS obeying the law, we'd PROBABLY be out of this by now (the current lockdown).
I really don't see what's boIIocks about this statement. It's obvious. |
The trouble is, this is what happened when people were encouraged to use their common sense.
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| You do realise that you are posting on TWTD..... on 14:34 - Feb 5 with 446 views | Bloots |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:12 - Feb 5 by bluelagos |
I'm done pal.
I get verbally abused walking down a street and now i am getting sh1t off people who have literally zero knowledge of what transpired. Public shaming of someone over something they know nothing about it ffs.
Someone should book mark some of these posts as a reflection on just how bizarrely some people reacted. |
....don't you?
You should never cease to be amazed by the reactions you get on here. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:38 - Feb 5 with 435 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:26 - Feb 5 by vapour_trail |
Obvious to you dollers. I think it’s sh1te.
Think we’re unlikely to convince each other otherwise. |
Have you any evidence for this or is it just your opinion?
What are you getting at anyway - do you think we shouldn't bother with the rules or are you making a point that the government's more to blame? I agree the government's massively culpable in many many ways, but if everyone followed the rules (common sense as well as letter of the law) I can't see how it wouldn't improve things (to the extent we'd probably be out of lockdown 3 IMO). | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:41 - Feb 5 with 423 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:33 - Feb 5 by Swansea_Blue |
The trouble is, this is what happened when people were encouraged to use their common sense.
And this:
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No. You're conflating two different things. These images weren't in response to a call for common sense, and regardless, they aren't examples of it either. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:42 - Feb 5 with 420 views | vapour_trail |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:38 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Have you any evidence for this or is it just your opinion?
What are you getting at anyway - do you think we shouldn't bother with the rules or are you making a point that the government's more to blame? I agree the government's massively culpable in many many ways, but if everyone followed the rules (common sense as well as letter of the law) I can't see how it wouldn't improve things (to the extent we'd probably be out of lockdown 3 IMO). |
I have only my opinion dollers, no peer reviewed study alas.
I disagree with the previous assertion that, if everyone made an effort and used their common sense rather than doing the bare minimum by law, we’d probably be out of this by now.
As per previous posts, I view said assertion as sh1te and boIIocks.
But as i said, we will likely remain of opposing views on this, which is fine. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:44 - Feb 5 with 407 views | Ewan_Oozami |
You've cracked 11 pages SB, and no-one's even mentioned Battenberg yet... |  |
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| You do realise that you are posting on TWTD..... on 14:45 - Feb 5 with 405 views | NewcyBlue |
| You do realise that you are posting on TWTD..... on 14:34 - Feb 5 by Bloots |
....don't you?
You should never cease to be amazed by the reactions you get on here. |
You forgot Lambert Out. |  |
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| You do realise that you are posting on TWTD..... on 14:46 - Feb 5 with 403 views | Herbivore |
| You do realise that you are posting on TWTD..... on 14:34 - Feb 5 by Bloots |
....don't you?
You should never cease to be amazed by the reactions you get on here. |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:47 - Feb 5 with 390 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:42 - Feb 5 by vapour_trail |
I have only my opinion dollers, no peer reviewed study alas.
I disagree with the previous assertion that, if everyone made an effort and used their common sense rather than doing the bare minimum by law, we’d probably be out of this by now.
As per previous posts, I view said assertion as sh1te and boIIocks.
But as i said, we will likely remain of opposing views on this, which is fine. |
Why are you just repeating it? I've since clarified a bit more.
You assert that something is sh1te and boIIocks but you have nothing to back that up. Meanwhile lockdowns (the harshest version of the rules) have been proven to have an effect. So I have evidence on my side.
But fine, you're right, we'll remain in opposing views. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:48 - Feb 5 with 386 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:44 - Feb 5 by Ewan_Oozami |
You've cracked 11 pages SB, and no-one's even mentioned Battenberg yet... |
I'm bringing Corbyn into play. I'm sure we can get Stokie his first 20 pager. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:49 - Feb 5 with 381 views | NewcyBlue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:47 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why are you just repeating it? I've since clarified a bit more.
You assert that something is sh1te and boIIocks but you have nothing to back that up. Meanwhile lockdowns (the harshest version of the rules) have been proven to have an effect. So I have evidence on my side.
But fine, you're right, we'll remain in opposing views. |
“ Meanwhile lockdowns (the harshest version of the rules) have been proven to have an effect. So I have evidence on my side.”
So what you’re saying is that lockdowns should have been earlier and longer? | |
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| Correct response (n/t) on 14:51 - Feb 5 with 375 views | Bloots |
| You do realise that you are posting on TWTD..... on 14:46 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
SUQ |
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| Lambert out. (n/t) on 14:51 - Feb 5 with 375 views | Bloots |
| You do realise that you are posting on TWTD..... on 14:45 - Feb 5 by NewcyBlue |
You forgot Lambert Out. |
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| Lambert out. (n/t) on 14:53 - Feb 5 with 407 views | NewcyBlue |
| Lambert out. (n/t) on 14:51 - Feb 5 by Bloots |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:53 - Feb 5 with 408 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 14:48 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
I'm bringing Corbyn into play. I'm sure we can get Stokie his first 20 pager. |
I'm sure I remember his first 20 pager being when he made the claim that the Boston Dynamics robots were just blokes in costumes.
Name a more iconic duo than Stokie and taking anti-science positions! | |
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