| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions 23:10 - Feb 4 with 15288 views | StokieBlue |
So it looks like the Tory backbenchers and the Chancellor are applying pressure to try and get the government to bring forward the dates for considering easing the lockdown in England.
This is against the advice of SAGE who Sunak has stated are acting too conservatively. You also have Hunt coming out and saying lockdown should be continued until cases are to 1000 per day and Starmer saying we shouldn't open up too early like other times.
Then you have Chope on Newsnight saying that the 8th March should be "lockdown freedom day" when the public get their "liberties" back and other evidences showing that only 20% of people are following isolation orders.
The issue here is that if there are 20,000 cases a day, even if the R is low (say 0.6) then when you open up that is still a high baseline number of cases which can start growing exponentially again and it won't take long to get to high numbers. Counter to that, if you wait until cases are 5,000 per day it will take longer to reach higher cases and it will also allow more time for vaccinations before those cases reach a high level.
Interesting Chope refused to say what an acceptable number of cases were to open up, he said that isn't the point and that people should be able to exercise their freedom and even referred to the public as "prisoners" so that might give an indication where a number of Tory backbenchers are at the moment.
You also have Damien Green on Newsnight saying that this has to be the last lockdown for both economic and mental health reasons and in order for that to be the case we need come out in a cautious and pragmatic way due to the new variants.
So it seems there are two very solid blocks of opinion but very little agreement between the blocks.
What are peoples thoughts?
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 12:31 - Feb 5 with 880 views | m14_blue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 12:11 - Feb 5 by SpruceMoose |
I had that impression from my brother actually. I sent him some photos the other day and he was surprised that so many people were wearing masks when out and about. It goes the other way too. When I see photos of people out and about in Britain it often looks very strange and 'normal' to me.
No doubt if I hadn't moved away and was still in the UK I'd act more in line with how things are being done in the UK though.
Elsewhere in the states compliance is probably less than you see here. Like I said, when things got really nasty in the city last year the concept of "be a good neighbour, wear a mask" set like concrete.
Better do some work. I'll be back for page 15! |
Yep, in fairness to Paz, very few people where them out and about over here. [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 12:34]
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 12:47 - Feb 5 with 837 views | giant_stow |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 12:06 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Do you not find the deaths of thousands of people, the declining mental health of your friends etc, more irritating?
It's people like you who only do the bare minimum because it's either a bit annoying or you don't want to do what you're told, who are ironically prolonging the need for lockdowns. If everyone made an effort and used their common sense rather than doing the bare minimum by law, we'd probably be out of this by now. |
Unlikely I'd have thought.
I'm guessing most bods are getting infected from things they have to do, like working, school, public transport or shopping. Most of the evidence seems to point to being outside being relatively safe (i think!) |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 12:55 - Feb 5 with 820 views | NewcyBlue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 12:31 - Feb 5 by m14_blue |
Yep, in fairness to Paz, very few people where them out and about over here. [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 12:34]
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As soon as I leave my front door I have mine on.
It’s the people wearing face shields that annoy me.
If I could take a BA set home I really would think about it.
I would need a filling compressor at home though. And generally a BA set doesn’t last me much more than 34 minutes for a 300 bar bottle. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:12 - Feb 5 with 797 views | vapour_trail |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 12:06 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Do you not find the deaths of thousands of people, the declining mental health of your friends etc, more irritating?
It's people like you who only do the bare minimum because it's either a bit annoying or you don't want to do what you're told, who are ironically prolonging the need for lockdowns. If everyone made an effort and used their common sense rather than doing the bare minimum by law, we'd probably be out of this by now. |
If everyone made an effort and used their common sense rather than doing the bare minimum by law, we’d probably be out of this by now.
Sorry but this is complete boIIocks.
You’ve bought all government effort to push blame onto individuals. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:13 - Feb 5 with 796 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 23:36 - Feb 4 by 26_Paz |
I would be more than willing to take the risk. They’re both around 60 ... they’d be absolutely fine. |
Paz, I’ve been very patient with you, indeed, I’m an incredibly patient man, but you really do come over as a bit of a tw@t with remarks like that.
I’m 60, had Covid and it was bloody horrible, and I consider myself very fortunate to have come out of it the other side and am only feeling fit and well 8 weeks later.
Imagine how many people have other conditions that mean they end up seriously ill, it worse die from it as has recently happened to my a lady in her 40,s my wife knew. [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 13:14]
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It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:16 - Feb 5 with 780 views | Herbivore |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:13 - Feb 5 by StochesStotasBlewe |
Paz, I’ve been very patient with you, indeed, I’m an incredibly patient man, but you really do come over as a bit of a tw@t with remarks like that.
I’m 60, had Covid and it was bloody horrible, and I consider myself very fortunate to have come out of it the other side and am only feeling fit and well 8 weeks later.
Imagine how many people have other conditions that mean they end up seriously ill, it worse die from it as has recently happened to my a lady in her 40,s my wife knew. [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 13:14]
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Sorry to hear that, but I fear this will fall on deaf ears. Your illness doesn't directly impact Paz so he won't really care. [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 13:37]
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:17 - Feb 5 with 773 views | 26_Paz |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:13 - Feb 5 by StochesStotasBlewe |
Paz, I’ve been very patient with you, indeed, I’m an incredibly patient man, but you really do come over as a bit of a tw@t with remarks like that.
I’m 60, had Covid and it was bloody horrible, and I consider myself very fortunate to have come out of it the other side and am only feeling fit and well 8 weeks later.
Imagine how many people have other conditions that mean they end up seriously ill, it worse die from it as has recently happened to my a lady in her 40,s my wife knew. [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 13:14]
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As I said I broached a very sensitive subject in a very insensitive manner last night, due in no little part to alcohol consumption. I have apologised for that and do so again. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:18 - Feb 5 with 766 views | NewcyBlue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:12 - Feb 5 by vapour_trail |
If everyone made an effort and used their common sense rather than doing the bare minimum by law, we’d probably be out of this by now.
Sorry but this is complete boIIocks.
You’ve bought all government effort to push blame onto individuals. |
Common sense isn’t common. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:19 - Feb 5 with 765 views | eireblue |
Just going back to the OP.
It is quite err....amusing....that even some ardent Brexiters, in the face of no evidence whatsoever said that Brexit would actually be good, and despite lots of evidence to the contrary, would say things like;
Yes in the short to middle term there will be disruption, and there will be an impact, but over the longer term, ten years or so, things will be better.
I remember people using 10 years as an example.
Of course things like mental health services, social care for the elderly, the NHS, help to get people in to training and jobs, takes money from the public purse.
So the reason you need a good economy is to fund those things.
Weird.
So some people were happy to see, let’s say optimistically, between a few and ten years of economic pain, that could have an effect on health care, to get Brexit done.
Now some people can’t wait an extra few months to reduce the risk of death, illness and another lockdown.
I wonder if there is an ironic correlation. [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 13:22]
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:21 - Feb 5 with 754 views | eireblue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:17 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
As I said I broached a very sensitive subject in a very insensitive manner last night, due in no little part to alcohol consumption. I have apologised for that and do so again. |
By what time today will you be sober? | | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:24 - Feb 5 with 747 views | footers |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:17 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
As I said I broached a very sensitive subject in a very insensitive manner last night, due in no little part to alcohol consumption. I have apologised for that and do so again. |
But once again you think being polite somehow excuses the content of what you write. You still believe in that strategy and the ramifications to you are acceptable, so it doesn't really matter how many pretty words you use to describe it. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:25 - Feb 5 with 742 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 12:47 - Feb 5 by giant_stow |
Unlikely I'd have thought.
I'm guessing most bods are getting infected from things they have to do, like working, school, public transport or shopping. Most of the evidence seems to point to being outside being relatively safe (i think!) |
You think it unlikely we'd be in a better place if EVERYONE complied with the rules? Come on! |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:28 - Feb 5 with 725 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:12 - Feb 5 by vapour_trail |
If everyone made an effort and used their common sense rather than doing the bare minimum by law, we’d probably be out of this by now.
Sorry but this is complete boIIocks.
You’ve bought all government effort to push blame onto individuals. |
Who's spreading the virus?
It's not boIIocks it's common sense. If everyone followed the rules religiously we'd obviously be in a much better place. | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:30 - Feb 5 with 714 views | giant_stow |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:25 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You think it unlikely we'd be in a better place if EVERYONE complied with the rules? Come on! |
No I think its unlikely that "we'd probably be out of this by now" if everyone complied with the rules. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:30 - Feb 5 with 715 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:17 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
As I said I broached a very sensitive subject in a very insensitive manner last night, due in no little part to alcohol consumption. I have apologised for that and do so again. |
You're still spouting your sh!t in the sober light of day though. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:32 - Feb 5 with 696 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:12 - Feb 5 by vapour_trail |
If everyone made an effort and used their common sense rather than doing the bare minimum by law, we’d probably be out of this by now.
Sorry but this is complete boIIocks.
You’ve bought all government effort to push blame onto individuals. |
Dolly is the last person to buy anything coming from this government.
Look there has been plenty of mismanagement and mixed messaging from the government over the past year. But we are all grown adults and have to bear personal responsibility.
In a recent survey f NHS workers, something like 60% put the blame on the general public. Are they buying the government line or do these people know what they are talking about.
Dolly is right. If the majority of people lived their lives the way Dolly and his mrs currently are, as opposed to people who are not taking sufficient precautions and social distancing then wed be out of this a lot sooner. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:32 - Feb 5 with 697 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:30 - Feb 5 by giant_stow |
No I think its unlikely that "we'd probably be out of this by now" if everyone complied with the rules. |
Depends how you take the phrase "out of this". I don't mean it would be eradicated, but I reckon we wouldn't still be in lockdown (like other countries who were stricter at the beginning). | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:34 - Feb 5 with 693 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:32 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Dolly is the last person to buy anything coming from this government.
Look there has been plenty of mismanagement and mixed messaging from the government over the past year. But we are all grown adults and have to bear personal responsibility.
In a recent survey f NHS workers, something like 60% put the blame on the general public. Are they buying the government line or do these people know what they are talking about.
Dolly is right. If the majority of people lived their lives the way Dolly and his mrs currently are, as opposed to people who are not taking sufficient precautions and social distancing then wed be out of this a lot sooner. |
Oh I'm definitely not absolving the government of blame! | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:35 - Feb 5 with 691 views | Herbivore |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:24 - Feb 5 by footers |
But once again you think being polite somehow excuses the content of what you write. You still believe in that strategy and the ramifications to you are acceptable, so it doesn't really matter how many pretty words you use to describe it. |
This is the rub, isn't it? Paz pretends to get upset by mildly fruity language and pretends he's a victim, whilst all the while expressing that it's okay for the over 60s to die so he can go to the pub and that it's okay to abuse Black people and LGBTQ people in some unspecified context (that I suspect is the abuser is wearing a blue rosette).
Paz holds some deeply unpleasant views but thinks that's okay because he (mostly) tries to dress them up in a polite way. When you point out what an odious little sh!t he is he then cries wolf. Unbelievable Jeff! | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:36 - Feb 5 with 683 views | J2BLUE |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:04 - Feb 5 by Radlett_blue |
Let's not fixate about Easter. That worked well at Christmas, didn't it?
A priority should be to try to get schools back so teachers should be next in line for vaccinations although the problem seems that children can be asymptomatic but pass on the virus to more vulnerable adults.
Any easing should be very gradual so pre-announcing or leaking a "big bang" day would be daft. Ease very slowly. |
I’m not fixating on Easter. As I made perfectly clear... |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:36 - Feb 5 with 680 views | vapour_trail |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:30 - Feb 5 by giant_stow |
No I think its unlikely that "we'd probably be out of this by now" if everyone complied with the rules. |
Not remotely what you said first time round.
To repeat your exact quote:
If everyone made an effort and used their common sense rather than doing the bare minimum by law, we’d probably be out of this by now.
That’s nothing to do with rules and compliance, that’s about individual interpretations of a virus and it’s implications. Genuinely, it’s boIIocks. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:38 - Feb 5 with 676 views | footers |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:35 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
This is the rub, isn't it? Paz pretends to get upset by mildly fruity language and pretends he's a victim, whilst all the while expressing that it's okay for the over 60s to die so he can go to the pub and that it's okay to abuse Black people and LGBTQ people in some unspecified context (that I suspect is the abuser is wearing a blue rosette).
Paz holds some deeply unpleasant views but thinks that's okay because he (mostly) tries to dress them up in a polite way. When you point out what an odious little sh!t he is he then cries wolf. Unbelievable Jeff! |
Just copying Jacob Rees-Knob, innit. Hold disgusting views but attempt to ameliorate them by using flowery language and being overly polite in a Victorian stylee.
It's a weird obsession that the right-wing fruit cakes have with politeness and especially the word 'sir'. Think the last time I called anyone sir I was in short trousers! | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:40 - Feb 5 with 672 views | Herbivore |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:38 - Feb 5 by footers |
Just copying Jacob Rees-Knob, innit. Hold disgusting views but attempt to ameliorate them by using flowery language and being overly polite in a Victorian stylee.
It's a weird obsession that the right-wing fruit cakes have with politeness and especially the word 'sir'. Think the last time I called anyone sir I was in short trousers! |
Actually I think it was the at the last lefty bumfest, but that's another story. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:40 - Feb 5 with 668 views | giant_stow |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:32 - Feb 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Dolly is the last person to buy anything coming from this government.
Look there has been plenty of mismanagement and mixed messaging from the government over the past year. But we are all grown adults and have to bear personal responsibility.
In a recent survey f NHS workers, something like 60% put the blame on the general public. Are they buying the government line or do these people know what they are talking about.
Dolly is right. If the majority of people lived their lives the way Dolly and his mrs currently are, as opposed to people who are not taking sufficient precautions and social distancing then wed be out of this a lot sooner. |
Don't studies show that compliance with the rules is very high? If so, we're talking very small gains on the margins.
Far more likely that the effort taken to keep the country ticking over causes the bulk of infection.
I'm not sure NHS workers are in the best position to know what caused the infections they're dealing with - how could they possibly know? | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:41 - Feb 5 with 667 views | footers |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 13:40 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
Actually I think it was the at the last lefty bumfest, but that's another story. |
Yeah, well kicked out anyway now, aren't I. So you can all enjoy yourselves without dear old footers now.
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