| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions 23:10 - Feb 4 with 15271 views | StokieBlue |
So it looks like the Tory backbenchers and the Chancellor are applying pressure to try and get the government to bring forward the dates for considering easing the lockdown in England.
This is against the advice of SAGE who Sunak has stated are acting too conservatively. You also have Hunt coming out and saying lockdown should be continued until cases are to 1000 per day and Starmer saying we shouldn't open up too early like other times.
Then you have Chope on Newsnight saying that the 8th March should be "lockdown freedom day" when the public get their "liberties" back and other evidences showing that only 20% of people are following isolation orders.
The issue here is that if there are 20,000 cases a day, even if the R is low (say 0.6) then when you open up that is still a high baseline number of cases which can start growing exponentially again and it won't take long to get to high numbers. Counter to that, if you wait until cases are 5,000 per day it will take longer to reach higher cases and it will also allow more time for vaccinations before those cases reach a high level.
Interesting Chope refused to say what an acceptable number of cases were to open up, he said that isn't the point and that people should be able to exercise their freedom and even referred to the public as "prisoners" so that might give an indication where a number of Tory backbenchers are at the moment.
You also have Damien Green on Newsnight saying that this has to be the last lockdown for both economic and mental health reasons and in order for that to be the case we need come out in a cautious and pragmatic way due to the new variants.
So it seems there are two very solid blocks of opinion but very little agreement between the blocks.
What are peoples thoughts?
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:07 - Feb 5 with 1185 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:00 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
I have to go down Romford high street to get groceries or I will starve. You can not leave 2 meters between everyone there. You can’t. There isn’t a road to cross or cars to hide behind. These are facts. |
You've picked out 1 road in the entire country and extrapolated that every road is like that. Where I live I have no problem avoiding people. The couple in question probably wouldn't walk down a road as busy as Romford high street. But the point was BL was two abreast with his friend. He could at least have gone single file and made an effort.
I go in my local co-op where it really is impossible to always be 2 metres apart. That's not the point. You make the effort where you can.
I bet you're one of these people who NEVER bothers with social distancing? |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:07 - Feb 5 with 1185 views | Herbivore |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:08 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
It’s not a case of that. Had my Nan not have made it, of course I would have been very sad but she’s 86, she’s had a fantastic innings, I would accept a degree of risk to people that age in order to return society to normalcy. |
You'd sacrifice your nan for a pint. My word. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:08 - Feb 5 with 1178 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:01 - Feb 5 by DropCliffsNotBombs |
Come now, Paz has sensed that BL isn't quite as appalled by his comments as everybody else so is now clinging and latching onto him like the parasite he is. |
I think you've nailed it there! | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:09 - Feb 5 with 1171 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:00 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
I have to go down Romford high street to get groceries or I will starve. You can not leave 2 meters between everyone there. You can’t. There isn’t a road to cross or cars to hide behind. These are facts. |
I presume you're wearing a mask though, if it's impossible to keep that 2m distance? |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:12 - Feb 5 with 1167 views | bluelagos |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:41 - Feb 5 by Swansea_Blue |
You're the new Glassers, and I claim my free pint form Lambo.
Embrace it, you're only on page 7. At least another 10 to go. |
I'm done pal.
I get verbally abused walking down a street and now i am getting sh1t off people who have literally zero knowledge of what transpired. Public shaming of someone over something they know nothing about it ffs.
Someone should book mark some of these posts as a reflection on just how bizarrely some people reacted. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:14 - Feb 5 with 1139 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:12 - Feb 5 by bluelagos |
I'm done pal.
I get verbally abused walking down a street and now i am getting sh1t off people who have literally zero knowledge of what transpired. Public shaming of someone over something they know nothing about it ffs.
Someone should book mark some of these posts as a reflection on just how bizarrely some people reacted. |
You told us what happened. We're going on that.
You came into this thread posting something and expecting people to agree with you, and have now got upset that they didn't. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:15 - Feb 5 with 1133 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:09 - Feb 5 by Ewan_Oozami |
I presume you're wearing a mask though, if it's impossible to keep that 2m distance? |
I wouldn't presume Paz is wearing a mask, ever. | |
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| Classic TWTD..... on 10:26 - Feb 5 with 1114 views | Bloots |
.....Why did the TWTDer cross the road?
Because the pavement wasn't wide enough.
Bunch of dickweeds. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:51 - Feb 5 with 1085 views | ElderGrizzly |
A bit late to this thread, but anyway...
We should follow the science, not the politicians lust for 'opening'.
And as a point of correction, no-one is vaccinated until they have had both jabs. So we are looking at June for the Over 50's to have had both, or April/May for the 4 most vulnerable groups.
To give you an idea of where discussions over the last few weeks have been going, is that we will see no international travel for leisure until September. And even then, you will be entirely reliant on that destination country wanting to accept you in.
Of course we will see some easing, as in schools opening. But the idea we are all going back into pubs, restaurants etc in any kind of normal way before the summer is a fantasy. |  | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:00 - Feb 5 with 1058 views | mikeybloo88 |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:51 - Feb 5 by ElderGrizzly |
A bit late to this thread, but anyway...
We should follow the science, not the politicians lust for 'opening'.
And as a point of correction, no-one is vaccinated until they have had both jabs. So we are looking at June for the Over 50's to have had both, or April/May for the 4 most vulnerable groups.
To give you an idea of where discussions over the last few weeks have been going, is that we will see no international travel for leisure until September. And even then, you will be entirely reliant on that destination country wanting to accept you in.
Of course we will see some easing, as in schools opening. But the idea we are all going back into pubs, restaurants etc in any kind of normal way before the summer is a fantasy. |
I will be very surprised if some al fresco eating, drinking and small group socialising is not permitted by the end of May, given all over 50s will have had one jab and most over 70s will have had two... rogue variants not withstanding of course and assuming case numbers are consistently low |  | | |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:02 - Feb 5 with 1054 views | StokieBlue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:51 - Feb 5 by ElderGrizzly |
A bit late to this thread, but anyway...
We should follow the science, not the politicians lust for 'opening'.
And as a point of correction, no-one is vaccinated until they have had both jabs. So we are looking at June for the Over 50's to have had both, or April/May for the 4 most vulnerable groups.
To give you an idea of where discussions over the last few weeks have been going, is that we will see no international travel for leisure until September. And even then, you will be entirely reliant on that destination country wanting to accept you in.
Of course we will see some easing, as in schools opening. But the idea we are all going back into pubs, restaurants etc in any kind of normal way before the summer is a fantasy. |
I am surprised there is no drive from within the government for getting overseas travel to be permitted for August school holidays.
As you say, it's entirely reliant on the destination.
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:04 - Feb 5 with 1046 views | 26_Paz |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:15 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I wouldn't presume Paz is wearing a mask, ever. |
I wear a mask wherever and whenever I am legally required to do so. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:04 - Feb 5 with 1041 views | 26_Paz |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 10:09 - Feb 5 by Ewan_Oozami |
I presume you're wearing a mask though, if it's impossible to keep that 2m distance? |
Nope, because I’m outside. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:15 - Feb 5 with 1014 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:04 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
I wear a mask wherever and whenever I am legally required to do so. |
Interesting phrasing. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:19 - Feb 5 with 995 views | 26_Paz |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:15 - Feb 5 by SpruceMoose |
Interesting phrasing. |
Your mask has well and truly slipped | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:20 - Feb 5 with 994 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 23:36 - Feb 4 by 26_Paz |
I would be more than willing to take the risk. They’re both around 60 ... they’d be absolutely fine. |
To paraphrase the gospel of St John...
"Greater love hath no man than this, that some random old people lay down their lives so that Paz can go to the pub." |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:22 - Feb 5 with 980 views | jaykay |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:19 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
Your mask has well and truly slipped |
you are beginning to sound like a poor mans blue oyster now. i wonder what happened to him |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:22 - Feb 5 with 982 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:19 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
Your mask has well and truly slipped |
You think? It seems to me that it's more that the rest of the forum has joined me in thinking you're a massive wrong 'un.
Anyhow, it's nailed on that you wear your mask under your nose I reckon. No wonder it fell off! [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 11:24]
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:25 - Feb 5 with 973 views | Herbivore |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:22 - Feb 5 by SpruceMoose |
You think? It seems to me that it's more that the rest of the forum has joined me in thinking you're a massive wrong 'un.
Anyhow, it's nailed on that you wear your mask under your nose I reckon. No wonder it fell off! [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 11:24]
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I'm a bit surprised it's taken some quite this long to see what Paz is, he's not really hidden it all that well. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:27 - Feb 5 with 966 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:25 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
I'm a bit surprised it's taken some quite this long to see what Paz is, he's not really hidden it all that well. |
It goes to show that, despite Paz's constant bad mouthing of the forum, in general it's a generous place where people try to see the best in one another. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:34 - Feb 5 with 949 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:04 - Feb 5 by 26_Paz |
I wear a mask wherever and whenever I am legally required to do so. |
LOL, so only when you're forced to by law and not just using common sense (like when walking down Romford high street). | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:34 - Feb 5 with 947 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 09:28 - Feb 5 by bluelagos |
Not sure I explained it particularly well. But he was say 30 yards ahead of me waving in such a manner that I thought something was coming. I pass many people, every day without any such issues.
I wouldnt for a minute look to encroach on anyone coming the other way. |
Fair enough. That does sound rather premature, given you had plenty of time and distance to get into single file and keep your distance.
I don’t give people pelters until it has become patently obvious that they have no intention of giving me some safe distance when I pass.
You’re right. It is a good example of how fragile some people’s mental health has become over the past year. We also need to accept that we have no idea of people’s personal circumstances.
Actions that may appear bizarre to us ca n come from people who have spent a long period of this pandemic shielding. And are taking their first tentative steps back into the outside world.
They may have lost a loved one to COVID and seen the suffering it causes.
Or they may have just been vaccinated and are within the three week period it takes to kick in. Imagine being old and being in fear for a year then having some hope through vaccination. I’d be dead paranoid fir the first few weeks after doing all I can for a tear to about catching the damn thing. |  |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:36 - Feb 5 with 939 views | 26_Paz |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:34 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
LOL, so only when you're forced to by law and not just using common sense (like when walking down Romford high street). |
No need if you’re outside my man, hence why it’s not law. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:37 - Feb 5 with 935 views | SpruceMoose |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:34 - Feb 5 by The_Flashing_Smile |
LOL, so only when you're forced to by law and not just using common sense (like when walking down Romford high street). |
Why go the extra inch to possibly help your neighbours? Feck 'em. Nobody tells the Paz man what to do! Guaranteed that he leaves his nose hanging out to demonstrate that very fact. | |
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| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:39 - Feb 5 with 932 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The argument is heating up on easing restrictions on 11:25 - Feb 5 by Herbivore |
I'm a bit surprised it's taken some quite this long to see what Paz is, he's not really hidden it all that well. |
I'm sure Blubbers will be along in a sec to remind you he worked out Lambert before you did. | |
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