| Blimey on 23:42 - Mar 4 with 1578 views | 26_Paz |
| Blimey on 23:38 - Mar 4 by reusersfreekicks |
Yep Boris is a much more honest working man than Keir Starmer....
Except for the fact that he isn't honest, can't be bothered with detail and generally wings it.
Your statement is cobblers basically |
Who gets more votes from working people?
Someone earlier picked up about their plumber not really being interested in non-binary genders. They are right. The Labour Party have got themselves too concerned about stuff people aren’t really interested in and miss the stuff they are interested in. |  |
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| Blimey on 23:42 - Mar 4 with 1579 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey on 18:02 - Mar 4 by SomethingBlue |
A nation that has lost its moral compass. |
Agreed. Although our politics and media is what's really skewing it rather than the Brit on the street. |  |
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| Blimey on 23:44 - Mar 4 with 1574 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey on 18:12 - Mar 4 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Shocking numbers given the Antisemmite has been given the elbow.
Cornyn to colourful, Starmer to grey.
Labour's ability to be completely ineffective in oppositions really is something isn't it. |
Comments like that are the problem right there.
If you lap up the anti-Corbyn nonsense then you'll lap up anything pro-Tory. | |
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| Blimey on 23:46 - Mar 4 with 1568 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Blimey on 23:23 - Mar 4 by 26_Paz |
Exactly this. They do not understand the priorities of the honest working man because they are so alienated from honest working people they may as well live on Mars. |
To be honest Paz your statement could be applied to all political parties and most individual politicians. |  | | |
| Blimey on 23:47 - Mar 4 with 1556 views | 26_Paz |
| Blimey on 23:46 - Mar 4 by Enigma_Blue |
To be honest Paz your statement could be applied to all political parties and most individual politicians. |
It certainly could but some more than others. | |
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| Blimey on 23:53 - Mar 4 with 1552 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey on 21:54 - Mar 4 by StokieBlue |
Perhaps.
I still prefer to hope that given the events of the last year that when things calm down and are finally investigated that some people at least will change their opinions based on the evidence and facts.
I know it's a lot to ask but if I lose total hope in that then what's left?
SB |
The opportunity to pull what seems the entire political centre's head out of its @rse? | |
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| Blimey on 00:18 - Mar 5 with 1518 views | bournemouthblue |
| Blimey on 18:45 - Mar 4 by Lord_Lucan |
When Starmer started pulling Boris to bits at QT I thought Labour were on to something - but the ball has stopped rolling.
A Corbyn figure is never going to get elected and it doesn't look like a Sensible Starmer type will either.
Labour always seem to be worried more about governing their party than actually governing the UK
Labour will not win an election under any leader until the Conservatives decide blow up and lose it (as is what happens with any political party)
The bottom line if truth be told is that people don't trust Labour with finances. |
For me, the bigger issue for Labour which is never talked about is the SNP, Labour need Scotland to get a majority really, that's their biggest issue and has been with or without Corbyn
The SNP are an interesting case study in themselves, I've no doubt a party with exactly the same approach could assimilate vast swathes of the North
Could a proper left wing leader win power in the UK?
Probably not, I think the right wing press barons are too influencial, people may think social media has democratised the media but it's only really helped to enhance the power of current establishment, in many cases incubating the more frightening political extremes that are out there
But I think a Trumpesque leftie populist leader could give it a very good stab
I genuinely can't believe people are happy with how the Tories have handled CoVid, perhaps the reality of things haven't truly set in, it's hard to say.
Reality will start to bite at some point or at least you would start to assume it would, these Tories really do seem to get away with murder and find a way to remain in charge despite being continually awful, it's an impressive trick.
I still don't think Labour have worked out that you can't play Boris on policy because a large proportion of the public don't really look too much at the detail, Brexit proves that fairly comprehensively
You need to find big issues, where there is a clear and obvious thing that needs changing and Labour are the party to make it happen
Boris managed to frame five years simply on Brexit
Starmer needs to find something that wins a lot of the public back, simply not being Boris might be a big advantage this time around, assuming Boris is still PM by that stage or will the Tories simply evolve again and put Rishi forward for the next election? [Post edited 5 Mar 2021 2:38]
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| Blimey on 00:26 - Mar 5 with 1510 views | vapour_trail |
| Blimey on 21:54 - Mar 4 by StokieBlue |
Perhaps.
I still prefer to hope that given the events of the last year that when things calm down and are finally investigated that some people at least will change their opinions based on the evidence and facts.
I know it's a lot to ask but if I lose total hope in that then what's left?
SB |
Don’t think there’s a cat in hells chamce of this.
The country has become fundamentally more insular. We don’t do evidence-based, we do populism.
In terms of hope, I’ve given up hope that anyone that I align to will run my country, a long time ago. So you either move somewhere else, or you do the best for you, yours and the stuff you’re most passionate about.
Be honest to yourself though, we will always be run by c@nts. |  |
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| Blimey on 00:28 - Mar 5 with 1500 views | BlueBadger |
| Blimey on 23:23 - Mar 4 by 26_Paz |
Exactly this. They do not understand the priorities of the honest working man because they are so alienated from honest working people they may as well live on Mars. |
Tell again how a Conservative party which had to be shamed into feeding the poorest in society during a pandemic is in touch with these people. |  |
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| Blimey on 00:34 - Mar 5 with 1482 views | vapour_trail |
| Blimey on 23:23 - Mar 4 by 26_Paz |
Exactly this. They do not understand the priorities of the honest working man because they are so alienated from honest working people they may as well live on Mars. |
This is bullsh1t Paz.
Or perhaps unbalanced bullsh1t.
Who do you think does understand the priorities of the honest working man?
Also, what defines honest working man? And are women covered in ‘man’?
Thanks in advance. | |
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| Blimey on 07:03 - Mar 5 with 1413 views | 26_Paz |
| Blimey on 00:34 - Mar 5 by vapour_trail |
This is bullsh1t Paz.
Or perhaps unbalanced bullsh1t.
Who do you think does understand the priorities of the honest working man?
Also, what defines honest working man? And are women covered in ‘man’?
Thanks in advance. |
Yes women are covered, it’s just a phrase, one I’m sure you’re all familiar with, no every day sexism here.
I’m talking about people like red wall voters, traditional working class voters. I’m not saying the Tories are perfect for them, far from it but it’s clear they are ‘getting’ them more than Labour are. | |
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| Blimey on 07:14 - Mar 5 with 1408 views | Herbivore |
Surprised how many bites Paz got there with such obvious bait. |  |
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| Blimey on 07:39 - Mar 5 with 1374 views | 26_Paz |
| Blimey on 07:14 - Mar 5 by Herbivore |
Surprised how many bites Paz got there with such obvious bait. |
How is it bait? This is a thread about why the Conservatives are so far ahead of Labour. I’ve offered my views, being that Labour are out of touch with working class people. I’m far from the only one who holds that view. You’re choosing to view it as bait because discussing the reality is uncomfortable for you. Fact is Labour have lost touch with lower socio economic groups. They do fantastic with the London centric metropolitan left but have lost their roots, their core group. They’ve probably hung on to those without a job but they’ve lost the lower earners and manual tradespeople (who probably earn more than a lot of those London metropolitan types but that’s another story). | |
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| Blimey on 07:46 - Mar 5 with 1359 views | Herbivore |
| Blimey on 07:39 - Mar 5 by 26_Paz |
How is it bait? This is a thread about why the Conservatives are so far ahead of Labour. I’ve offered my views, being that Labour are out of touch with working class people. I’m far from the only one who holds that view. You’re choosing to view it as bait because discussing the reality is uncomfortable for you. Fact is Labour have lost touch with lower socio economic groups. They do fantastic with the London centric metropolitan left but have lost their roots, their core group. They’ve probably hung on to those without a job but they’ve lost the lower earners and manual tradespeople (who probably earn more than a lot of those London metropolitan types but that’s another story). |
Not biting. Obvious troll is obvious. | |
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| Blimey on 07:51 - Mar 5 with 1345 views | footers |
Ah, the wisdom of the great British public which brought you a decade of Tory incompetence and one of the biggest acts of national self-harm since Suez.
Oh well. You keep voting, I'll keep laughing.
Mugs. |  |
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| Blimey on 10:49 - Mar 5 with 1280 views | BlueWorldOrder |
Starmer is a very good leader and man but the Labour Party needs to start producing policies the public like again. |  |
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| Blimey on 12:32 - Mar 5 with 1240 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey on 10:49 - Mar 5 by BlueWorldOrder |
Starmer is a very good leader and man but the Labour Party needs to start producing policies the public like again. |
Like 2017 as that’s the last time that was demonstrated. | |
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| Blimey on 13:35 - Mar 5 with 1211 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Blimey on 12:32 - Mar 5 by Darth_Koont |
Like 2017 as that’s the last time that was demonstrated. |
You mean when Labour lost to the absolutely woeful Teresa May? Possibly not the best example.
But agree, I'm not really sure what KS stands for apart from being more competent than Corbyn. See what he puts forward further down the line. | | | |
| Blimey on 13:49 - Mar 5 with 1192 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
What? One (very low-ranking) individual associated with the Labour Party doing something wrong and immediately being suspended for it?
Oh no, you're probably right, the evidence of the past few years suggests that the Tory policy of flouting the ministerial code, bullying Civil Servants, lying to Parliament, refusing to turn up to Parliamentary Committees when summoned to give evidence, failing to publish Committee reports in a timely manner etc etc and then not being held to account for it, shrugging shoulders when called out on it and saying "So? What are you going to do about it?" is the way to go. | | | |
| Blimey on 13:56 - Mar 5 with 1182 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Blimey on 21:50 - Mar 4 by Clapham_Junction |
It would be nice to think this is true, but by 2015 it was quite clear what a bunch of sh1ts they were, and they were re-elected. Since then they've only got worse, and been re-elected twice more.
The BBC and other decent media could run stories 24/7 about the corruption, lies etc, but I can't see it making a blind bit of difference to many of the people that vote for the Tories, who will just dismiss it as 'marxist bias' or whatever tripe the Express/Mail/Sun/GB News drip feeds them with. |
"The BBC and other decent media could run stories 24/7 about the corruption, lies etc, but"
choose not to. | | | |
| Blimey on 13:56 - Mar 5 with 1182 views | N2_Blue |
I've actually given up on this country.
With Brexit, lame Tory governments that continually get voted in, yes i feel sorry for who this impacts most but as a whole this country deserves what it gets.
All these people that clapped the NHS then go vote Tory or signal their intent to vote Tory...they can basically fk off.
Had enough of it all. |  |
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| Blimey on 13:56 - Mar 5 with 1181 views | 26_Paz |
| Blimey on 13:49 - Mar 5 by ArnoldMoorhen |
What? One (very low-ranking) individual associated with the Labour Party doing something wrong and immediately being suspended for it?
Oh no, you're probably right, the evidence of the past few years suggests that the Tory policy of flouting the ministerial code, bullying Civil Servants, lying to Parliament, refusing to turn up to Parliamentary Committees when summoned to give evidence, failing to publish Committee reports in a timely manner etc etc and then not being held to account for it, shrugging shoulders when called out on it and saying "So? What are you going to do about it?" is the way to go. |
I was just pointing out that stories like that won’t help them, regardless of what the Tories may or may not be up to | |
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| Blimey on 13:56 - Mar 5 with 1180 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey on 13:35 - Mar 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
You mean when Labour lost to the absolutely woeful Teresa May? Possibly not the best example.
But agree, I'm not really sure what KS stands for apart from being more competent than Corbyn. See what he puts forward further down the line. |
When there was the focus on policy enforced by the rules of an election campaign, Corbyn and Labour were finally much more popular. There’s a surprise.
Of course, Starmer’s looking a lot less competent politically even than Corbyn. Useless so far in the polls and within the Labour Party. And likely to be even further behind when the vaccination effect really kicks in.
A waste of a year, and a huge missed opportunity, when Labour could and should have been shaping the agenda. To be even further back after the year the Tories have had is inexcusable. | |
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| Blimey on 13:58 - Mar 5 with 1176 views | lowhouseblue |
| Blimey on 12:32 - Mar 5 by Darth_Koont |
Like 2017 as that’s the last time that was demonstrated. |
yes the 2017 labour government really made a difference. that landslide still stands out as the self-righteous left's greatest achievement. |  |
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| Blimey on 14:04 - Mar 5 with 1161 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Blimey on 13:56 - Mar 5 by Darth_Koont |
When there was the focus on policy enforced by the rules of an election campaign, Corbyn and Labour were finally much more popular. There’s a surprise.
Of course, Starmer’s looking a lot less competent politically even than Corbyn. Useless so far in the polls and within the Labour Party. And likely to be even further behind when the vaccination effect really kicks in.
A waste of a year, and a huge missed opportunity, when Labour could and should have been shaping the agenda. To be even further back after the year the Tories have had is inexcusable. |
I cannot comprehend how 2017 is always referred to as some massive pinnacle of success for Corbyn's Labour?
Teresa May was so unilaterally unpopular, it was a complete open goal.
I don't envy Starmer's job - trying to win the espousal of both the left and the centrists. | | | |
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