No middle ground with Cook 17:56 - May 16 with 4732 views | muhrensleftfoot | In a couple of years He'll either be hated for selling the family silver in getting shot of academy graduates like Doz, Woolfenden, Nydam, Downes, Bishop etc, or he'll be a genius who rebuilt ITFC. I hope and I also fear.... | | | | |
No middle ground with Cook on 17:59 - May 16 with 2998 views | textbackup | 11th and 9th in league one? Family silverware...? | |
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No middle ground with Cook on 18:00 - May 16 with 2991 views | J2BLUE | Doubt he'll be hated. I know we naturally want to see our younger players succeed but we can't keep holding off in league one waiting for them. Some people seem to want to see the academy kids succeed more than the club. No criticism, just an observation. We'd all love a team of homegrown players but it's not going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the info is wrong though and we have a couple of them in the team next season. | |
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No middle ground with Cook on 18:09 - May 16 with 2926 views | Vic | Personally, I don’t have much fear that he’ll get us up in a couple of years. Everything about the owners and the team they’ve put together just seems right. It’s what we’ve needed. Losing the younger s without giving them a season to see if they can develop under a decent manager and with better players around them is a shame. But if in a couple of years we’re back in the championship and making progress I don’t think many of us will look back with too much anger. | |
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No middle ground with Cook on 18:20 - May 16 with 2833 views | BelsteadCav | Family silver 🤦ðŸ¼â€â™‚ï¸ðŸ˜‚😂🤣🤣 Worst Ipswich town side in history. If these players were that good, why are we still in division 3? | |
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No middle ground with Cook on 18:38 - May 16 with 2693 views | mrshallisfit |
No middle ground with Cook on 17:59 - May 16 by textbackup | 11th and 9th in league one? Family silverware...? |
Yep. More like a rolled-up ball of tin foil. | | | |
No middle ground with Cook on 18:38 - May 16 with 2689 views | Oldboy |
No middle ground with Cook on 18:20 - May 16 by BelsteadCav | Family silver 🤦ðŸ¼â€â™‚ï¸ðŸ˜‚😂🤣🤣 Worst Ipswich town side in history. If these players were that good, why are we still in division 3? |
You beat me to it. Worst team by a country mile. If anybody wants this shower, they are welcome to them. | | | |
No middle ground with Cook on 18:40 - May 16 with 2663 views | StokieBlue |
No middle ground with Cook on 18:00 - May 16 by J2BLUE | Doubt he'll be hated. I know we naturally want to see our younger players succeed but we can't keep holding off in league one waiting for them. Some people seem to want to see the academy kids succeed more than the club. No criticism, just an observation. We'd all love a team of homegrown players but it's not going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the info is wrong though and we have a couple of them in the team next season. |
This post is spot on. Bishop isn't even a younger player anymore, he will be 25 at the start of next season. SB | |
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No middle ground with Cook on 18:41 - May 16 with 2660 views | Stewart27 | Can we just clarify that he’s not getting rid of the actual academy. Just the academy products that we wanted to succeed, who have led us to 11th and 9th in league one. I really, really wanted them to succeed. | | | | Login to get fewer ads
No middle ground with Cook on 18:42 - May 16 with 2642 views | stonojnr |
No middle ground with Cook on 18:09 - May 16 by Vic | Personally, I don’t have much fear that he’ll get us up in a couple of years. Everything about the owners and the team they’ve put together just seems right. It’s what we’ve needed. Losing the younger s without giving them a season to see if they can develop under a decent manager and with better players around them is a shame. But if in a couple of years we’re back in the championship and making progress I don’t think many of us will look back with too much anger. |
he wont get a couple of years, he gets Town up next season or not keep them in the top 2 within 18 months he'll be looking for a new job, its just the simple business of expectation the new owners will adhere to having spent out their millions in money buying him the team he wants, they will demand success not excuses. the average time a League One manager stays in post is just under 500 days. | | | |
No middle ground with Cook on 19:09 - May 16 with 2550 views | BryanPlug | [content removed at owner's request] | |
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No middle ground with Cook on 19:23 - May 16 with 2482 views | itfcjoe |
No middle ground with Cook on 18:20 - May 16 by BelsteadCav | Family silver 🤦ðŸ¼â€â™‚ï¸ðŸ˜‚😂🤣🤣 Worst Ipswich town side in history. If these players were that good, why are we still in division 3? |
Well this season they had a manager who checked out before the season started, who then sacked the fitness coach and just sucked the life out of the club. | |
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I'm also coming to the CONCLUSION that Cook/US project is going to be.... on 19:33 - May 16 with 2404 views | unstableblue | ..... HUGELY SUCCESFUL or an UNMITIGATED clusterf@ck disaster I don't think there is any middle ground This scale of root and branch monumental change going on is unprecedented But I have to say the US team seem quite naive to me... their media strategy is comical Any success is coming from Cook and Ashton only, mark my words, that's where our hopes lie You think we had a rollercoaster with Marcus?! we're entering a whole new fun fair PEOPLE | |
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No middle ground with Cook on 19:35 - May 16 with 2356 views | BlueBadger |
No middle ground with Cook on 19:23 - May 16 by itfcjoe | Well this season they had a manager who checked out before the season started, who then sacked the fitness coach and just sucked the life out of the club. |
...and would rather sign loanees than coach his players from day one. | |
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No middle ground with Cook on 19:37 - May 16 with 2317 views | reusersfreekicks |
No middle ground with Cook on 18:20 - May 16 by BelsteadCav | Family silver 🤦ðŸ¼â€â™‚ï¸ðŸ˜‚😂🤣🤣 Worst Ipswich town side in history. If these players were that good, why are we still in division 3? |
So every single one of them is rubbish eh? | | | |
No middle ground with Cook on 19:39 - May 16 with 2311 views | LeoMuff |
No middle ground with Cook on 19:23 - May 16 by itfcjoe | Well this season they had a manager who checked out before the season started, who then sacked the fitness coach and just sucked the life out of the club. |
and last seasons excuse ? I want these guys here and winning things, but if Cook thinks they are not part of his plans or could use the money to strengthen then so be it, they have had chances a plenty. | |
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That's where I am now on 19:41 - May 16 with 2300 views | ScottCandage |
No middle ground with Cook on 19:09 - May 16 by BryanPlug | [content removed at owner's request] |
Yes, we have (had?) some talented youth now coming into their own. There might have been a time that Dozzell hadn't gotten a fair shot, but now they all have had a fair shot at showing who they are as players. I don't think that we need to see more from any of them to see if they will push on to be top level players. Can anyone really say that Downes, Dozzell or Woolfie will actually do so? And they had the GREATEST chance to show who they are and what they could be when Cook came in. They obviously didn't impress him, or at least not to the extent that Cook might have felt the desire to keep them around no matter the cost (opportunity or direct). I believe that if any player had impressed Cook greatly, he would not have gotten rid (or said they could leave). Whatever Paul Cook is, he isn't an idiot. [Post edited 16 May 2021 19:42]
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No middle ground with Cook on 20:32 - May 16 with 2058 views | pointofblue | It would have been nice to see some of the younger players - Woolfenden, Downes, Dozzell, Dobra - in a squad which has balance and shape coupled with competent management and coaching with a pre-season behind them. Alas, it doesn’t look like they’ll get this chance with us. | |
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No middle ground with Cook on 21:10 - May 16 with 1904 views | BlueBadger |
No middle ground with Cook on 19:39 - May 16 by LeoMuff | and last seasons excuse ? I want these guys here and winning things, but if Cook thinks they are not part of his plans or could use the money to strengthen then so be it, they have had chances a plenty. |
Would have been quite nice to see what they good actually do in an organised team that was actually being properly coached and motivated with better players around them though rather than playing under a fraud who'd gotten them relegated and then decided he'd rather sign loan players than do his job properly. | |
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No middle ground with Cook on 21:36 - May 16 with 1836 views | gazzer1999 |
No middle ground with Cook on 21:10 - May 16 by BlueBadger | Would have been quite nice to see what they good actually do in an organised team that was actually being properly coached and motivated with better players around them though rather than playing under a fraud who'd gotten them relegated and then decided he'd rather sign loan players than do his job properly. |
Let it go Badger, Lambo has gone lets look forward. I would like nothing better than to see a team of graduates from the academy make the first team and succeed. However it won't happen overnight and if it means we bring in 11 players and some loanees to get us promotion so be it. I just don't want to be stuck in the 3rd division after next year. | | | |
No middle ground with Cook on 22:14 - May 16 with 1719 views | have_a_word_with_him | Name one manager who hasn't sold a player who has gone on to do better, it ain't an exact science. Just get behind the man and let's look forward, he has to build an entire team let alone a squad, of that there can be no doubt, the existing one was becoming non-league level | | | |
No middle ground with Cook on 22:31 - May 16 with 1657 views | pointofblue |
No middle ground with Cook on 22:14 - May 16 by have_a_word_with_him | Name one manager who hasn't sold a player who has gone on to do better, it ain't an exact science. Just get behind the man and let's look forward, he has to build an entire team let alone a squad, of that there can be no doubt, the existing one was becoming non-league level |
That’s just hyperbole - even with Lambert’s undoubted ‘qualities’ and Cook giving up on them the squad still got us to ninth in League One. Nowhere near good enough but nowhere near non-League standard either. | |
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No middle ground with Cook on 22:45 - May 16 with 1629 views | Eireannach_gorm |
No middle ground with Cook on 21:36 - May 16 by gazzer1999 | Let it go Badger, Lambo has gone lets look forward. I would like nothing better than to see a team of graduates from the academy make the first team and succeed. However it won't happen overnight and if it means we bring in 11 players and some loanees to get us promotion so be it. I just don't want to be stuck in the 3rd division after next year. |
We dont have to throw the babies out with the bathwater. | | | |
No middle ground with Cook on 22:49 - May 16 with 1619 views | have_a_word_with_him |
No middle ground with Cook on 22:31 - May 16 by pointofblue | That’s just hyperbole - even with Lambert’s undoubted ‘qualities’ and Cook giving up on them the squad still got us to ninth in League One. Nowhere near good enough but nowhere near non-League standard either. |
seriously this is your point, a squad that got us to 9th in league one, so a statement about non-league is hyperbole? yeah they were ready to really push on and ensure we only dropped to League 2 but not beyond... awesome. good grief. | | | |
No middle ground with Cook on 23:42 - May 16 with 1507 views | patrickswell |
No middle ground with Cook on 22:45 - May 16 by Eireannach_gorm | We dont have to throw the babies out with the bathwater. |
I think the most devastating quote so far from Cook has been the one about the atmosphere in the changing room being the same after a win as it was after a defeat. At its root, that is why Cook is opening the exit door for virtually the whole squad. He can coach them to be better players, but he can’t turn around players who are demotivated to succeed and laissez faire about failure. This squad hasn’t looked comfortable in its skin for 3 years. Neither Cook or us can put up with that any longer. | | | |
No middle ground with Cook on 00:11 - May 17 with 1462 views | pointofblue |
No middle ground with Cook on 22:49 - May 16 by have_a_word_with_him | seriously this is your point, a squad that got us to 9th in league one, so a statement about non-league is hyperbole? yeah they were ready to really push on and ensure we only dropped to League 2 but not beyond... awesome. good grief. |
You do understand League One isn’t a non-League division? Can’t believe I’m asking this but... ETA - Not to say it is good enough, it isn’t, but there’s no need to make it sound even worse than it is. [Post edited 17 May 2021 0:15]
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