| Luke Chambers 14:47 - Jun 6 with 22513 views | NorfolkBlue1 |
New poster here, have been reading for around 15 years but couldn’t be bothered with the hassle of you lot but I had an interesting chat when I was out on the mariner last night.
Got chatting to Luke chambers.
He seemed quite emotional talking about the decline of the club in the last few years. He said without the togetherness of a few players, we would have been in a much worse position than now.
What was interesting was his view on Paul cook, thinks he’s an absolute tool, apparently virtually everyone that was at the club back end of last season thinks the same.
He also advised that mark ashton had interviewed him twice in the past and said that he doesn’t have the credentials…
I understand he may just be bitter but I thought it was interesting.
He also said he is either signing a two year deal with Colchester or gillingham this week. He said he’s virtually settled on Colchester though. |  | | |  |
| Luke Chambers on 07:31 - Jun 7 with 1764 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers on 07:24 - Jun 7 by urbanblue |
I see this thread goes on to discuss the meaning of 'not universally popular' but that's just really semantics as is you're comment that he's '.. ended their careers' which of course, he hasn't at all.
You say the players haven't been shown any respect by Cook, but did they show any respect for him? From Chambers' comments I would guess not. When your club captain and someone so influential within the club feels like that it clearly trickles down and the rot affects all the players.
Cook has been successful and obviously there is something there that attracts players to him. I reckon it's respect. You can quite easily not particularly like someone, but respect their knowledge, professionalism, and success in getting the job done. Respect would also, and in fact need to be both ways. That's why certain players want to work with him ... not because he's a great bloke and an all round nice guy.
The problem is that it appears there has been no mutual respect with the current players from the start and when that happens the manager has the power and authority. I can now completely understand why Cook wants to clear them all out, especially if they have all been talking and acting and speaking like this.
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That’s a mistake, I meant to say ended their ITFC careers.
I’m sure Chambers opinion, public and private words, and attitude have been effected by his exit - he had in previous weeks been going round the country to sit on the bench, whixh is more than a few other players were willing to do when it was deemed their career here was over.
You talk about no respect from the start, I really don’t think that was the case in any element, from the players towards him anyway |  |
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| Luke Chambers on 07:42 - Jun 7 with 1692 views | urbanblue |
| Luke Chambers on 07:31 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
That’s a mistake, I meant to say ended their ITFC careers.
I’m sure Chambers opinion, public and private words, and attitude have been effected by his exit - he had in previous weeks been going round the country to sit on the bench, whixh is more than a few other players were willing to do when it was deemed their career here was over.
You talk about no respect from the start, I really don’t think that was the case in any element, from the players towards him anyway |
Indeed, we can't know for sure what went wrong, although I wonder ...
I do remember feeling quite uncomfortable with the way Cook watched the Accrington game and was shouting and swearing at the ref etc throughout. A lot of the TWTD board loved it but, having played a fair bit of football, I know it might well have rubbed me up the wrong way. Like, you've just got here ... shut the feck up!
The thing is though Cook is the boss, he will be expected to get results and we should all get behind him and his decisions. New beginnings and stuff ... [Post edited 7 Jun 2021 7:44]
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| Luke Chambers on 07:50 - Jun 7 with 1650 views | Keaneish |
| Luke Chambers on 07:24 - Jun 7 by urbanblue |
I see this thread goes on to discuss the meaning of 'not universally popular' but that's just really semantics as is you're comment that he's '.. ended their careers' which of course, he hasn't at all.
You say the players haven't been shown any respect by Cook, but did they show any respect for him? From Chambers' comments I would guess not. When your club captain and someone so influential within the club feels like that it clearly trickles down and the rot affects all the players.
Cook has been successful and obviously there is something there that attracts players to him. I reckon it's respect. You can quite easily not particularly like someone, but respect their knowledge, professionalism, and success in getting the job done. Respect would also, and in fact need to be both ways. That's why certain players want to work with him ... not because he's a great bloke and an all round nice guy.
The problem is that it appears there has been no mutual respect with the current players from the start and when that happens the manager has the power and authority. I can now completely understand why Cook wants to clear them all out, especially if they have all been talking and acting and speaking like this.
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If you look at the last four managers we’ve had, they’ve all had a different focus and style of management in an attempt to galvanise a positive approach to getting results. McCarthy was very much about siege mentality, ‘us against the world’ and placed a lot of emphasis on player / manager unity. Hurst came in with an old skool, ‘I’m the manager what I say goes’ approach whereas Lambert by all accounts was more stand-off and put emphasis on the supporters and playing for them mixed up with some other spurious nonsense. Cook’s stance is about the club and proving self worth.
There may be a little conjecture in there but, each one of us will naturally gravitate more toward one of those styles more than the other; it’s no different for the players. Some will respond, some won’t. Some will flourish, others won’t progress. Some may take a while to adjust whereas others just want out. I see no issue in a player like Chambers not being too fond of Cook given he’s been through the mill and is now being challenged to step-up-to-the-plate at the end of his career when he’s carried a lot for too long. He’s entitled to be a bit disgruntled but it’s a new dawn and sadly Chambers has run his race. |  |
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| Luke Chambers on 07:53 - Jun 7 with 1631 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers on 07:42 - Jun 7 by urbanblue |
Indeed, we can't know for sure what went wrong, although I wonder ...
I do remember feeling quite uncomfortable with the way Cook watched the Accrington game and was shouting and swearing at the ref etc throughout. A lot of the TWTD board loved it but, having played a fair bit of football, I know it might well have rubbed me up the wrong way. Like, you've just got here ... shut the feck up!
The thing is though Cook is the boss, he will be expected to get results and we should all get behind him and his decisions. New beginnings and stuff ... [Post edited 7 Jun 2021 7:44]
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I think the players were in a bit of a slog under Lambert, had felt lifted under Gill got some results and then had some bubbles burst with regards to criticism of performance and style etc which had got us results and suited squad better
Ultimately everything that has happened has led us to where we are as a club now, which I think nearly all fans would agree is a positive place. If anything had changed we could quite easily still be under Evans
I do think the players have been chucked under a bus somewhat, I don’t think that’s right for someone like Chambers…….but the ones to be most worried about are those that are still here next year and we need to contribute. Will they give that extra 1% if it’s needed? | |
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| Luke Chambers on 07:54 - Jun 7 with 1615 views | NorfolkBlue1 |
| Luke Chambers on 07:16 - Jun 7 by BondiBlue |
And Joe this is why i'm wondering, as a mate of Luke's, if you need to be backing up a random new poster's account of a conversation you didn't hear, even if you think it might be true. If you were a journalist, you could argue that it's in the public interest. But it sounds like you weren't there as a journalist. |
I think he just realised that someone was being ridiculed for something that he knew happened.
Very fair to make comment.
If you read between the lines; he’d obviously said the same things to joe on the same night as he did to me. I don’t know why joe would lie about that, and how would I guess that mark ashton interviewed him twice in the past? Get a grip you wallie | | | |
| Luke Chambers on 07:58 - Jun 7 with 1588 views | urbanblue |
| Luke Chambers on 07:50 - Jun 7 by Keaneish |
If you look at the last four managers we’ve had, they’ve all had a different focus and style of management in an attempt to galvanise a positive approach to getting results. McCarthy was very much about siege mentality, ‘us against the world’ and placed a lot of emphasis on player / manager unity. Hurst came in with an old skool, ‘I’m the manager what I say goes’ approach whereas Lambert by all accounts was more stand-off and put emphasis on the supporters and playing for them mixed up with some other spurious nonsense. Cook’s stance is about the club and proving self worth.
There may be a little conjecture in there but, each one of us will naturally gravitate more toward one of those styles more than the other; it’s no different for the players. Some will respond, some won’t. Some will flourish, others won’t progress. Some may take a while to adjust whereas others just want out. I see no issue in a player like Chambers not being too fond of Cook given he’s been through the mill and is now being challenged to step-up-to-the-plate at the end of his career when he’s carried a lot for too long. He’s entitled to be a bit disgruntled but it’s a new dawn and sadly Chambers has run his race. |
Exactly, there will be players who like the discipline and hard work to be successful. They don't want time wasters and lazy colleagues. They are the type of players Cook wants and they in turn are looking for a manager who will instil this,as opposed to someone they can have a laugh and go to the pub with. | | | |
| Luke Chambers on 08:00 - Jun 7 with 1569 views | portmanking |
| Luke Chambers on 07:58 - Jun 7 by urbanblue |
Exactly, there will be players who like the discipline and hard work to be successful. They don't want time wasters and lazy colleagues. They are the type of players Cook wants and they in turn are looking for a manager who will instil this,as opposed to someone they can have a laugh and go to the pub with. |
Quite. It was very telling that so few players were spending extra time in the gym & training ground upon Cook's appointment. That in itself shows a lack of respect to Cook IMO - too few trying to catch his eye and cement themselves in the team. | | | |
| Luke Chambers on 08:03 - Jun 7 with 1547 views | bobbyramsey |
| Luke Chambers on 06:23 - Jun 7 by Lowie |
Spot on.
He is 100% no loss to this club. |
Disruptive influence, him and his crony wielded far too much influence at ITFC and now he's pi$$ed off at being dug out.....
Awwwwwwww...... |  | | |
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| Luke Chambers on 08:08 - Jun 7 with 1511 views | BondiBlue |
| Luke Chambers on 07:54 - Jun 7 by NorfolkBlue1 |
I think he just realised that someone was being ridiculed for something that he knew happened.
Very fair to make comment.
If you read between the lines; he’d obviously said the same things to joe on the same night as he did to me. I don’t know why joe would lie about that, and how would I guess that mark ashton interviewed him twice in the past? Get a grip you wallie |
Not saying i don't believe you. Just saying if joe is a mate of chambers he might want to consider what getting involved in this sort of conversation might do for his mate's reputation in the game.
It's a massive grey area but i'm guessing this is why a lot of people in the public eye are very careful who they let into their inner circle. And the fact he spouted off to you is very unprofessional. | |
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| Luke Chambers on 08:10 - Jun 7 with 1481 views | Skip_Intro |
| Luke Chambers on 07:31 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
That’s a mistake, I meant to say ended their ITFC careers.
I’m sure Chambers opinion, public and private words, and attitude have been effected by his exit - he had in previous weeks been going round the country to sit on the bench, whixh is more than a few other players were willing to do when it was deemed their career here was over.
You talk about no respect from the start, I really don’t think that was the case in any element, from the players towards him anyway |
That's jolly decent of Chambo...pay me £10k a week and I won't only sit on a bench but I'll sit on your face too... |  | | |
| Luke Chambers on 08:27 - Jun 7 with 1422 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers on 08:08 - Jun 7 by BondiBlue |
Not saying i don't believe you. Just saying if joe is a mate of chambers he might want to consider what getting involved in this sort of conversation might do for his mate's reputation in the game.
It's a massive grey area but i'm guessing this is why a lot of people in the public eye are very careful who they let into their inner circle. And the fact he spouted off to you is very unprofessional. |
I do think people overstate how big and important things are - if he is happy to say what he has said to this guy then it doesn't really matter what others in our small corner of the internet think about it.
Football is a very small intdustry, everyone in it will have reputations and references and LC's is and will no doubt continue to be overwhelmingly good. If he wants to vent a bit at current time, use that as something to drive him on for next stage of career then so be it.
I personally can't vouch for Ashton comments re interview, but don't think anything else there is particularly controversial or what anyone wouldn't expect to read or hear | |
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| Luke Chambers on 08:33 - Jun 7 with 1398 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers on 07:58 - Jun 7 by urbanblue |
Exactly, there will be players who like the discipline and hard work to be successful. They don't want time wasters and lazy colleagues. They are the type of players Cook wants and they in turn are looking for a manager who will instil this,as opposed to someone they can have a laugh and go to the pub with. |
I think Cook is the one who prefers to go to the pub with his mates than the players.....!
I think the whole thing and squad has fallen flat after the attitude and engagement of the previous manager, plus the covid break, and just the general malaise around the club.
That's the thing that requires the fresh start and impetus for me, the players have had the life sucked out of them like the fanbase - I don't think it's a lack of discipline and hard work. It's just been a failing business | |
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| Luke Chambers on 08:46 - Jun 7 with 1329 views | BondiBlue |
| Luke Chambers on 08:27 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
I do think people overstate how big and important things are - if he is happy to say what he has said to this guy then it doesn't really matter what others in our small corner of the internet think about it.
Football is a very small intdustry, everyone in it will have reputations and references and LC's is and will no doubt continue to be overwhelmingly good. If he wants to vent a bit at current time, use that as something to drive him on for next stage of career then so be it.
I personally can't vouch for Ashton comments re interview, but don't think anything else there is particularly controversial or what anyone wouldn't expect to read or hear |
I read the bit about ashton as luke's interpretation of cook being interviewed for bristol city job and not getting it. Surely ashton's not going to walk into the club and tell the departing captain that the manager's rubbish. | |
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| Luke Chambers on 08:54 - Jun 7 with 1272 views | BiGDonnie |
| Luke Chambers on 20:23 - Jun 6 by chrismakin |
Fed up with the bullsht that comes out. And people like you hang off his every word and others and that's what creates pro and anti management groups.
Ever since chambers got dropped Joe has been pushing his anti Cook sht. Even going as far as PC should find another team. Etc etc. Its personal for him.
The lies that have come out are shambolic.
And I know they're lies as I have a much much closer source than he fken does and why I get so pssed off with all this sht.
The sooner the truth comes out about chambers etc the better as this is getting ridiculous |
You have a source closer than Chambo to Joe? |  |
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| Luke Chambers on 08:58 - Jun 7 with 1242 views | hype313 |
| Luke Chambers on 08:46 - Jun 7 by BondiBlue |
I read the bit about ashton as luke's interpretation of cook being interviewed for bristol city job and not getting it. Surely ashton's not going to walk into the club and tell the departing captain that the manager's rubbish. |
I very much doubt that too, Chambers is just surmising the fact that Cook was interviewed and didn't get it, so everyone can read into that what they will, think it's been exaggerated somewhat to the point where the narrative is "Ashton doesn't rate Cook"
FWIW Chambers doesn't have anything to lose in talking to the fans about his time and thoughts, most are willing to listen and he probably does feel disgruntled, but if I was him bearing in mind he has aspirations of managing one day, I'd suggest he keeps a dignified silence for the foreseeable and let the dust settle in what has been a dreadful period in our clubs history, before embarking in a tell all to all and sundry. |  |
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| Luke Chambers on 09:00 - Jun 7 with 1225 views | tractorboy1978 |
His opinion is now completely irrelevant so what is the point in discussing it in any depth? It only breeds negativity at a time when all is starting to look positive and there is a bit of a buzz back around the place. | | | |
| Luke Chambers on 09:04 - Jun 7 with 1175 views | itfcjoe |
| Luke Chambers on 08:58 - Jun 7 by hype313 |
I very much doubt that too, Chambers is just surmising the fact that Cook was interviewed and didn't get it, so everyone can read into that what they will, think it's been exaggerated somewhat to the point where the narrative is "Ashton doesn't rate Cook"
FWIW Chambers doesn't have anything to lose in talking to the fans about his time and thoughts, most are willing to listen and he probably does feel disgruntled, but if I was him bearing in mind he has aspirations of managing one day, I'd suggest he keeps a dignified silence for the foreseeable and let the dust settle in what has been a dreadful period in our clubs history, before embarking in a tell all to all and sundry. |
I doubt he even met Ashton who has only got here this week so that would be my suggestion.
He has his new club signed up, has felt the love from the fans and those in the game in recent weeks, as has overwhelmingly been positive and has had a lot of interest from other clubs which must be a confidence boost.
He's always willing to chat to people, and always honest - maybe to a fault at times - but think once he gets going at his next club then things will settle down but it is obviously still raw and hurts him | |
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| Luke Chambers on 09:05 - Jun 7 with 1159 views | footers |
Oh well.
Good luck at Colchester, Luke. |  |
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| Luke Chambers on 09:10 - Jun 7 with 1125 views | hype313 |
| Luke Chambers on 09:04 - Jun 7 by itfcjoe |
I doubt he even met Ashton who has only got here this week so that would be my suggestion.
He has his new club signed up, has felt the love from the fans and those in the game in recent weeks, as has overwhelmingly been positive and has had a lot of interest from other clubs which must be a confidence boost.
He's always willing to chat to people, and always honest - maybe to a fault at times - but think once he gets going at his next club then things will settle down but it is obviously still raw and hurts him |
I get that, and I can totally understand his frustrations and anger about the way he felt he was treated, but as we all know, sometimes it's best not to speak when you are angry, he has got himself a nice little 2yr stint down the road to see out his retirement and who knows what may happen here in the meantime.
The last thing he wants is to be seen as a disgruntled ex employee by the owners as he might scupper his chances of something longer term in the future. | |
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| Luke Chambers on 09:16 - Jun 7 with 1069 views | Herbivore |
| Luke Chambers on 09:00 - Jun 7 by tractorboy1978 |
His opinion is now completely irrelevant so what is the point in discussing it in any depth? It only breeds negativity at a time when all is starting to look positive and there is a bit of a buzz back around the place. |
It's an Ipswich Town forum, people are going to discuss stuff to do with the club. If it's of no interest to you, don't read it. |  |
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| Luke Chambers on 09:19 - Jun 7 with 1050 views | Metal_Hacker |
If true I just think for the most it lacks professionalism to be fair - nothing more
Take me for instance ,I'm not in the public eye and I think my boss is a complete and utter dick but I'd never tell anyone publicly (oh wait  )
In all seriousness for me personally , I don't think we're going to be missing much when the new regime starts in a couple of months time and for those who decided not to enjoy the ride for whatever reason , good luck to them and remember , no-one is bigger than the club itself !! |  |
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